The "up-to-the-minute Market Data" thread

reply to post by Shenon


Totally off the scale.


Here's another way to make money out of the crisis: place a major bet on that guy never being invited back.




Meantime all you silver fanatics out there might just be interested in the following:


200 tonnes of silver discovered in shipwreck


(...though I expect they'd be sensible enough not to dump it all at once.)

What has not been said:

The fact that the markets have not experienced a major rally of +100 or more points on the DOW after the worst week for equities since October 2008 is, in its self, a major move for the markets. It won't rally for good buys, it won't rally for optimism, it won't rally on the garbage spewed from the mouths of ECB and Fed spokecritters ... If anyone remembers the worst week of 2008, they will recall massive losses, and 700, 800, 900+ point rebounds. 2 days since the worst downward movement in 3 years, and the markets thus far have been relatively neutral. IMO, that can only mean that the movers and shakers of the equities World, are watching and preparing for whatever the governments and or economy does next.. as of right now the DOW is only up less than 1%, the S&P .4% and NASDAQ negative .8%

Wolfgang Schäuble, the German finance minster, has said there is no plan to increase the 440 billion rescue package.

...Stocks pared gains after German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble said euro region governments have no intention of raising the European Financial Stability Facility's volume above 440 billion euros. The fund, once approved by parliaments, will be employed in an “efficient” way, Schaeuble said in an interview with N-TV television...

Source

earlier ... in the last 4 days i think... i made a post as follows:

posted on 25-9-2011 @ 10:44 this post

RE: perhaps the DOW will exhaust itself and become valueless...

but another Market place will have to be created so that the game can continue,
i would suggest that the FOREX and a Derivatives market would be the offering...

see, right now the FED & the FASB instructs the 'banks' to keep Two Sets of Books...

1: one which includes all the banks 'dark' Derivatives/Swaps/MBSs/ and other casino paper which is backed at way less than 1¢ on the dollar
2: another set of books which reflects the legitimate side of the 'commercial' liquidity of the 'bank'

these banks operate in a fraud-zone of being a hybid Investment-&-Commercial bank at the feet of the FED and the 'shadow government' cartel of various powerful megacorporations



so, yes the system is trying to self perpetuate ...by sluicing funds to cover the hidden debt the worlds finance wizards are creating (illegally) amongst themselves ...we the taxpayers will continue to pay monies and be stripped of our liberties - by forceably paying tribute into that system which attempts to fund the bankers needed collateral & reserve requirements needed to legally issue those naked Derivatives & other toxic paper...

the fed, the Treas, the USA financial cartel...keep paying one another fees & profits for all those taxable transactions...which is ultimately funded by the tax-payers who might get to hold some $15 Trillion
held in bad mortgages by our Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac


i hope i can squeeze by with my ira until 2014-16, right before the Treas/IRS seizes all the populations 401-k's
and other IRAs of individual health or retirement accounts...monitors & confiscates all PM resources/assets in the same timeframe..

.Dystopia is right around the corner friends

the thing is ...i stated the above days ago...(well, at least yesterday te 25th)

now just read the recent 'authortative' post by a 'credible' source...
www.zerohedge.com...


~~~i can't spell it out as eloquently as a team of 'Staff Writers'~~~
but the essence is there...

have a nice roller-coaster ride as the DOW recovers this week & the S&P shorts are raked-over-the-coals with margin payments...

reply to post by St Udio


Well, St, all I can say is you might not get the credit, and you might not get the fees, but there are quite a lot of folks in here - myself included - who genuinely appreciate and gain a lot from your learned contributions. I hope that is enough to keep you coming back.


(PS Thanks for the link.)

Nice find

www.abovetopsecret.com...&addstar=1&on=12424430#pid12424430

Kipling's poem, explains a lot

As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man
There are only four things certain since Social Progress began.
That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,
And the burnt Fool's bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire;

And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,
The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!

Just part of it.

reply to post by St Udio


What will take to brake down a nation? take away peoples benefits, pension funds and retirement accounts under the umbrella of austerity, austerity is heading our way, that will bring Americas into a civil war.

My town was in the news in the Saturday local news paper, we are officially the most poor town in our state, the reason for that is that more of half of the town is in the poverty level (after losing 6 production companies in 12 years), even when we have two walmarts within the same city limits,

What can that tells you about the rest of the state and the rest of the nation while the government claim jobs "creation" they are nothing but working poor jobs, if austerity hits the nation you can imagine who are the ones to be the first ones to lose their welfare benefits most of the working poor.

I predict US will start having civil unrest within the next 10 years, at the pace we are heading right now the gab between the wall street (upper classes) and the poor will be too hard to hide anymore or contain.

reply to post by mossme89


Some talking heads are already postulating that gold could continue to fall for weeks and go as far down as $1,100!

I think that’s a bit pessimistic, but these are the same talking heads who talk about Dow 36,000 during a market rally. It’s their job to take the existing short-term trend and forecast it out to play off investor’s fear or greed.

Ultimately, gold has to go higher. There’s too much bad debt, too much money-printing by fearful governments, and it’s in a long-term bullish cycle. This is just one of the many pullbacks we’ll see (and already have seen) along the way. Nothing ever moves up or down in a straight line.

Where the talking heads see fear (and I imagine most of them have almost no gold holdings whatsoever), I see opportunity. And the more gold falls, the bigger it gets.

Stocks today again Rose all based false hopes this getting ridiculous.

U.S. stocks indicated higher as investors assess Europe's efforts to solve sovereign-debt issues.

Investors ASSESS EFFORTS

Since when is capitalism about EFFORTS instead of RESULTS?

Next thing I expect to hear is about ENORMOUS GLOBAL EFFORT to accomplish the task designated in our actual FIVE-YEARS PLAN

That will surely keep numbers high.

This is all Stalinist brainwashing. That's what they have in stock, cause they're mostly below average intelligence and incapable of some sophisticated solution.

Dave, I'm afraid

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
Stocks today again Rose

all based false hopes this getting ridiculous.

I think it is even dumber than that . . . stocks are rising on false hopes that throwing another cajillion dollars into a ship with a gargantuan hole in the bottom of it is going to solve the financial problems.

When was the last time any of us common folk went to the bank or some other lending institution and had them greet you at the door and say . . . Oh shucks. You overspent and can't pay your debts . . . oh . . . here's another boatload of money to make it look all better for a while. Come see us again when you piss that away.

reply to post by GoalPoster


Is all about preserving the wealth of the uber rich, is not about the regular common people neither their retirements or their pensions they careless if in their goal to keep their wealth they rape everybody in their path.

That is why this people are so dangerous they are after keeping their wealth by any means possible and making slaves of those that work for a living, they are callous gambles with other people's wealth

Does anybody know why the market is rallying?

reply to post by mossme89


Becasue the hopes of trillion dollars in bailout for the EU banks.

reply to post by marg6043


Wouldn't that just cause the dollar to spike up in value compared to other currencies, and cause the market to tank?

reply to post by mossme89


Well no really, this will push the dying Euro up that is the reason for the bailout to prop the Euro. The money will be loan by the IMF but will be on Euros.

Ivane Ivanoviču, don't you read "Pravda"?

Markets are obviously used as a TOOL to support political decisions (acclamation). Markets (the display of) has the same function as other mass media. What is really going on with markets and economy, can be felt by our tactile organ (skin)

You know you're looking at too many stock charts when...



Just found this lol

SEC pushes to move circuit-breaker threshold down

The proposals would revise the existing market-wide circuit breakers by:

-Reducing the market decline percentage thresholds necessary to
trigger a circuit breaker from 10, 20, and 30 percent to 7, 13, and 20
percent from the prior day’s closing price.
-Shortening the duration of the resulting trading halts that do not
close the market for the day from 30, 60, or 120 minutes to 15 minutes.
-Simplifying the structure of the circuit breakers so that rather
than six there are only two relevant trigger time periods — those that
occur before 3:25 p.m. and those that occur on or after 3:25 p.m.
-Using the broader S&P 500 Index as the pricing reference to
measure a market decline, rather than the Dow Jones Industrial Average.
-Providing that the trigger thresholds are to be recalculated daily rather than quarterly.

Be afraid. Be very afraid. Especially after 3:25 pm.

www.zerohedge.com...

Do they know something we don't?

Apparently I spoke about an hour to soon yesterday .. inserting foot in mouth.

The entire crash last week has been entirely wiped away now, and the markets are back at their resistance points in the 11,400 range. That's where the Central Banks like to see the markets, that's where they will stay. If you zoom out YTD or longer on any graph the indicies just look like a massive fat colored blur from August onward. Seems like once a week there is a thousand point swing up and down.

It should teach ATSers a lesson. The markets cannot "crash", because what has no freewill cannot act to it's own accord. The markets will be where the masters want them to be, and though they may stray away for a few days, the masters always call it home. To 11,400.