Obama Born In Kenya? His Grandmother Says Yes

Originally posted by centurion1211
Or we can all wait until the U.S. Supreme Court makes the ruling that will be the "Shock Heard Round the World" on December 5th. That's the date O(bs)ama is required to hand over the birth certificate he either doesn't have, or that shows he does not qualify to be the POTUS.

Wow... And I thought the SCOTUS was just meeting on that day to discuss this case... I haven't seen the document stating the above. Care to share?

With the Electoral College set to vote just a few days later, the Supreme Court will have to do more than "just meet to discuss this case".

BH, after 10 years of "playing offense", how do you like "playing defense" all the time?

[edit on 11/26/2008 by centurion1211]

And how much credibility does A) This person reporting have B) What about translations? Remember in the other thread about this they were talking about senior and not the president-elect. God this is so pathetic it's no longer funny.

Originally posted by Alxandro
reply to post by Mak Manto

 

Are you calling Obama's Gramma a liar?
Don't worry dude, I doubt the truth will ever surface.

Note on the birth certificate it says his father's name is Barack Hussein Obama.

Originally posted by LittlePinky82
And how much credibility does A) This person reporting have B) What about translations? Remember in the other thread about this they were talking about senior and not the president-elect. God this is so pathetic it's no longer funny.

My point exactly.

It is Israel news. Many people from Israel wish to see Obama expelled from the white house because of the fear mongering surrounding him and Israel. Many go so far as to believe he will destroy Israel.

Additionally Muslims truly despise Obama because he is "white black, not really black". He supposedly represents whats wrong with the world, and it's not enough that he is half black.

Originally posted by blowfishdl

Originally posted by LittlePinky82
And how much credibility does A) This person reporting have B) What about translations? Remember in the other thread about this they were talking about senior and not the president-elect. God this is so pathetic it's no longer funny.

My point exactly.

It is Israel news. Many people from Israel wish to see Obama expelled from the white house because of the fear mongering surrounding him and Israel. Many go so far as to believe he will destroy Israel.

Additionally Muslims truly despise Obama because he is "white black, not really black". He supposedly represents whats wrong with the world, and it's not enough that he is half black.

Yep. But he spoke at AIPAC and has said all the right things in their eyes. Doy. And not long ago AlQida called him a house beep. I'm sure you can fill in the beep... But as I mentioned on the certificate it says his father's name is the same so...

Originally posted by blowfishdl

Originally posted by LittlePinky82
And how much credibility does A) This person reporting have B) What about translations? Remember in the other thread about this they were talking about senior and not the president-elect. God this is so pathetic it's no longer funny.

My point exactly.

It is Israel news. Many people from Israel wish to see Obama expelled from the white house because of the fear mongering surrounding him and Israel. Many go so far as to believe he will destroy Israel.

Additionally Muslims truly despise Obama because he is "white black, not really black". He supposedly represents whats wrong with the world, and it's not enough that he is half black.

Yep. But he spoke at AIPAC and has said all the right things in their eyes. Doy. And not long ago AlQida called him a house beep. I'm sure you can fill in the beep... But as I mentioned on the certificate it says his father's name is the same so...

Originally posted by LittlePinky82

Originally posted by blowfishdl

Originally posted by LittlePinky82
And how much credibility does A) This person reporting have B) What about translations? Remember in the other thread about this they were talking about senior and not the president-elect. God this is so pathetic it's no longer funny.

My point exactly.

It is Israel news. Many people from Israel wish to see Obama expelled from the white house because of the fear mongering surrounding him and Israel. Many go so far as to believe he will destroy Israel.

Additionally Muslims truly despise Obama because he is "white black, not really black". He supposedly represents whats wrong with the world, and it's not enough that he is half black.

Yep. But he spoke at AIPAC and has said all the right things in their eyes. Doy. And not long ago AlQida called him a house beep. I'm sure you can fill in the beep... But as I mentioned on the certificate it says his father's name is the same so...

Yes exactly. A house *negro* is a term coined by Malcolm X in a famed speech about two different types of blacks. White-blacks and Black-Blacks. House *negro* is calling him a white-black.

Malcolm X also being a Muslim activist I might add.

[edit on 11/26/08 by blowfishdl]

Obama has never allow real public access to his internet published, Hawaii "Certification of Live Birth" document. It was photographed and then place onto the internet. No inspections or touching by America, and then hidden away. Also a "Certification of Live Birth" document is not the same as an official "Original Vault Birth Certificate". Obama is making a very specific play on words here. You need to pay close attention to the words (Certification vs. Certificate). Obama has specifically switching the last few letters of the Certificate word in an attempt to confuse the American public. The word Certificat"e" is being removed and the word Certificat"ion" is being dropped into its place. The casual observer would not even notice that the switch has been made. Obama appears to believe that the American public will not notice the switch or know the difference. The difference between the terms is dramatic to say the least. The word Certificat"ion" refers to the form which a state uses to create a "Certification of Live Birth". The form used is an "AFFIDAVIT AND CERTIFICATE OF CORRECTION FORM". Anyone can request their state to correct
their BC with this form and the state will type all the info. in that you fill out on their form, WITHOUT ever even looking at your Original Vault Birth Certificat"e" of Live Birth. So what you really have on record is the
amended version of your BC and unless you actually see the Original Vault Certificat"e" of Live Birth, you would never even know that there was a difference or even that an original Certificat"e" existed at all.
The Hawaii issuer of the short form, and Obama, are only displaying on the internet what ever Obama typed into the Hawaii Affidavit and Cerificate of Correction Form.

Back in 1961 Hawaii allowed people to birth children anywhere on the planet and then come to Hawaii and apply for a U.S. Live Birth Certificat"e" for the child. This is why an authentic Hawaiian Birth Certificat"e" specifically asks
if the child was born in a "FOREIGN COUNTRY". Obama's Certificat"ion" of Live Birth document does not even ask this question, therefore providing further evidence that his Certificat"ion" document is not an authentic Hawaiian Birth Certificat"e". There is a dramatic difference between Obama's Certificat"ion" of Live Birth document and an Original Vault Birth Certificat"e". An authentic certificat"e" from that era would contain a great deal of very detailed personal information and Obama's certificat"ion" document does not carry that quantity or quality of information. An official Oahu, Hawaiian birth certificate from that era would carry many more specific details of a birth. Details like at least 33 specific information collection points, which can be located on authentic birth certificat"e"s from Hawaii in 1961.
Details like the residency information on both the father/mother, both of their street addresses and their mailing addresses, a birth certificate number, sex and name of child, day & time of birth, city/town of birth, judicial district of birth, county/state/FOREIGN COUNTRY of birth, island name during birth, hospital name, number of children born, birth location farm/plantation, mothers type of work outside of home during pregnancy, [ father/mother race, father/mother occupation and date last worked, father/mother age, father/mother birth place ] date accepted by Registrar, date accepted by Registrar General, [signature of Parent, signature of Attendant MD, DO, Midwife,
signature of Registrar, signature of Registrar General]
This is the degree of specific personal information collect by the State of Hawaii in the 1960's. Obama's Certificat"ion" of Live Birth document carries only 14 of the 33 pieces of personal information. The document Obama has published on the internet carries less than half of the information normally collected by a standard Hawaiian birth certificat"e" application in 1961.
Strike 1.

Also if you take a close look at Obama's published "Certificat"ion" of Live Birth" you will see a very dramatic difference between it and an authentic Certificat"e" of Live Birth from that era. You may view an authentic document at snarkybytes.com...
If you compare Obama's certificat"ion" document with the above authentic Certificat"e", you will instantly see that an authentic Certificat"e" collects much more information and this one has crisp and clean type printing where Obama's document carries a blurred "halo" around much of the printing. This "halo" typically results from "second rate" computer generate graphic editing. Many experts have concluded that it is a fraud based only on the " forging halos ".
Strike 2.
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People need to understand that Obama's claim that he published his "birth certificat"e", is a FALSE CLAIM. He published his birth certificat"ion", not his birth certificat"e". It is also NOT even a certified copy of his authentic birth certificat"e". It is an official certificat"ion" of Obama’s birth in Hawaii by the person in charge in Hawaii. It is printed on Laser paper, which means its BRAND NEW, and not from 1961, the year he claims to have been born.
What you see on the internet simply states that Obama was born (or showed up) in Hawaii according to whoever printed out the form. It is a Certificat"ion", not a Certificat"e" of Live Birth, which is TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
Back in 1961 the state of Hawaii allowed parents to apply for and receive Birth Certificates for their children even if they were born in a FOREIGN COUNTRY. The parent just listed the foreign country on the form and the certificat"e" was issued. This is why Berg is requesting to see Obama's Original Vault Certificat"e" of Live Birth, it is because he suspects that the FOREIGN COUNTRY of birth box has Kenya located in it. If this is the truth Obama would be a
Natural Born Citizen of the United Kingdom or Kenya and could not be a Natural Born Citizen of the U.S. What Obama has published is not even as good as a drivers license and would not work for an ID even on a cruise ship or going to Mexico. Again, there is good reason it wouldn't work and that is because you can actually request a state to correct your BC with an AFFIDAVIT AND CERTIFICATE OF CORRECTION and they will type all the info. in that you fill out on their form, without ever even looking at your Certificat"e" of Live Birth. So what you really have on record is the amended version, and unless you actually see the Original Vault Certificat"e" of Live Birth, you would never even know that there was a difference or even that an original certificat"e" existed at all.
The issuer of the short form, which Obama is displaying, is simply printing out whatever was typed into the computer from a Certificate of Correction Form sent to them by Obama. This is the reason for Obama's document to be listing only 14 out of 33 points of information.
I find it to be absolutely incredible that Obama actually believes the American public does not understand the possible fraud he may have committed within the fabrication of his Certificat"ion" document, and his direct inference that it is his official Birth Certificat"e". It is not a his Certificat"e" as he claims, it is in fact only a Hawaii Certificat"ion" of only the information he wants the world to believe.
Strike 3.
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There is significant evidence that Obama's birth certificat"ion" image that the DNC claims to be genuine, is, in fact, a rather clumsy forgery. Just type "Obama birth certificate forgery" into your favorite search engine and
read all about it. Don’t be fooled by the links to the multiple "Stop the Smears" websites - those sites contain the images of the birth certificat"ion" document whose authenticity is in question. If Obama wanted to put the controversy to rest, a good way to start would be to immediately produce his Original Vault Birth Certificat"e" for the public’s examination and admit up front that he published only an amended version of his true Original Vault Birth Certificat"e". Or, if he claims to have misplaced it, give written
authorization to the Hawaiian authorities to open his Original Vault Birth Certificat"e" file to the public. I am plainly claiming that his failure to take such a “SIMPLE” step is certifiable proof of his obfuscation.

Obama has never allow real public access to his internet published, Hawaii "Certification of Live Birth" document. It was photographed and then place onto the internet. No inspections or touching by America, and then hidden away. Also a "Certification of Live Birth" document is not the same as an official "Original Vault Birth Certificate". Obama is making a very specific play on words here. You need to pay close attention to the words (Certification vs. Certificate). Obama has specifically switching the last few letters of the Certificate word in an attempt to confuse the American public. The word Certificat"e" is being removed and the word Certificat"ion" is being dropped into its place. The casual observer would not even notice that the switch has been made. Obama appears to believe that the American public will not notice the switch or know the difference. The difference between the terms is dramatic to say the least. The word Certificat"ion" refers to the form which a state uses to create a "Certification of Live Birth". The form used is an "AFFIDAVIT AND CERTIFICATE OF CORRECTION FORM". Anyone can request their state to correct
their BC with this form and the state will type all the info. in that you fill out on their form, WITHOUT ever even looking at your Original Vault Birth Certificat"e" of Live Birth. So what you really have on record is the
amended version of your BC and unless you actually see the Original Vault Certificat"e" of Live Birth, you would never even know that there was a difference or even that an original Certificat"e" existed at all.
The Hawaii issuer of the short form, and Obama, are only displaying on the internet what ever Obama typed into the Hawaii Affidavit and Cerificate of Correction Form.

Back in 1961 Hawaii allowed people to birth children anywhere on the planet and then come to Hawaii and apply for a U.S. Live Birth Certificat"e" for the child. This is why an authentic Hawaiian Birth Certificat"e" specifically asks
if the child was born in a "FOREIGN COUNTRY". Obama's Certificat"ion" of Live Birth document does not even ask this question, therefore providing further evidence that his Certificat"ion" document is not an authentic Hawaiian Birth Certificat"e". There is a dramatic difference between Obama's Certificat"ion" of Live Birth document and an Original Vault Birth Certificat"e". An authentic certificat"e" from that era would contain a great deal of very detailed personal information and Obama's certificat"ion" document does not carry that quantity or quality of information. An official Oahu, Hawaiian birth certificate from that era would carry many more specific details of a birth. Details like at least 33 specific information collection points, which can be located on authentic birth certificat"e"s from Hawaii in 1961.
Details like the residency information on both the father/mother, both of their street addresses and their mailing addresses, a birth certificate number, sex and name of child, day & time of birth, city/town of birth, judicial district of birth, county/state/FOREIGN COUNTRY of birth, island name during birth, hospital name, number of children born, birth location farm/plantation, mothers type of work outside of home during pregnancy, [ father/mother race, father/mother occupation and date last worked, father/mother age, father/mother birth place ] date accepted by Registrar, date accepted by Registrar General, [signature of Parent, signature of Attendant MD, DO, Midwife,
signature of Registrar, signature of Registrar General]
This is the degree of specific personal information collect by the State of Hawaii in the 1960's. Obama's Certificat"ion" of Live Birth document carries only 14 of the 33 pieces of personal information. The document Obama has published on the internet carries less than half of the information normally collected by a standard Hawaiian birth certificat"e" application in 1961.
Strike 1.

I was born here in the UK, but when my dad had to go back to the US, he had to apply for permission to bring me into the country, as I am British. He got some kind of certificate which gave the date of my birth and up to the age of 21 I held dual nationality. I never made my claim by my 21st and automatically reverted solely to my British status, in line with my birth certificate.

I can only travel to the US with a British Passport, as I no longer hold any rights to that decree of duality.

It is possible that his parents gave him dual status, and at the age of 21 chose to become an American, which makes him legal.

I am concerned that he is going to be a puppet president, and not a leader. He hasn't got the experience and that is what concerns me most, as I have family in America.

As far as, his nationality goes, I gave it some thought and wonder if he did have dual status like me up until his 21st birthday.

[edit on 30-11-2008 by Iblis Smiley]

reply to post by centurion1211


Not biden. Only Mcain ran against obama.
The pres will be big john.
Oh i am so happy i could poot

Philippines?

What made you think Barack Obama and his parents went to the Philippines?

It's Indonesia.

Ok Republicans you need to make up your minds. You scream that Obama was born in Kenya so we need to kill all black people. Then you scream that Obama's real name is Barry and a secret Muslim when you show a document from a madrassa that shows a Barry something attended there, but was born in Hawaii. Which is it? Is he born in Kenya or is he this Barry guy who went to a madrassa, but was born in Hawaii? You hate Barack and black people so much you can't even get your attacks straight and they contradict each other.

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Unfortunately, there are many uninformed ignorant individuals out there like yourself, that vote on an emotional basis only. what is wrong with showing a proper birth certificate? Obama has now spent $800,000 US dollars fighting this. WHY? Just produce the document and get it over with. US Supreme Court will possibly hear this case by Friday. Hopefully they have a spine to vet this through and hear the case. The fallout may be bad if Obama is prevented from taking office but to some of us, the truth matters.

Why bring racism into this? What is wrong with raising a few questions? This is still the USA right? I don't give a # what color a man's skin is, I care about his heart and his ideology. As much as I dislike some of the things President Bush has done, he appointed more people of color and women than any other president. Trying to equate racism with the Republican party is wrong and shows how low idiots on the left stoop to prop up their candidate.

If you are looking for racism, why don't you look at all of the people that voted for Obama because of his skin color.

Republicans please, make up your minds. You scream that Obama was born in Kenya. Then you scream that Obama's real name is Barry and a secret Muslim when you show a document from a madrassa that shows a Barry something attended there, but was born in Hawaii. Which is it? Make up your minds!

I heard the tape of his grandmother saying she was at the birth of obama.I also heard the telephone conversation between the ambassador and the radio station. he too said Obama jr was born in Kenya and they were celebrating his birth place. He was not talking about Obama Sr because he said his grandmother was still living here. He did not misunderstand because he was asked twiced and replied obama was born there. What is so hard for anyone to believe what the grandmother and the ambassador said. They both can't be lying.