Obama Born In Kenya? His Grandmother Says Yes

reply to post by redhatty


Yeah, I'm not sure about the Long-Version Birth Certificate. I read somewhere that they are hard to come by in Hawaii - something about the hospital not fulfilling requests for copies.

What I was saying about the 1) is that Obama has a motion to dismiss still pending. He is probably waiting for the ruling on that before he the Answer phase of the trial.

I don't know though. I've only taken one law class and I'm a bit shady on it. Hopefully this case will go somewhere soon so we'll know one way or the other.

Originally posted by Sublime620
Yeah, I'm not sure about the Long-Version Birth Certificate. I read somewhere that they are hard to come by in Hawaii - something about the hospital not fulfilling requests for copies.

Hmm, strange. I know that MOST states - and the hospitals in them - have that copy sent to Vital Records. Once it's in Vital Records, the hospital has nothing to do with it anymore.

Maybe Hawaii is different, IDK

What I was saying about the 1) is that Obama has a motion to dismiss still pending. He is probably waiting for the ruling on that before he the Answer phase of the trial.

I don't know though. I've only taken one law class and I'm a bit shady on it. Hopefully this case will go somewhere soon so we'll know one way or the other.

And that may be the case, but it MAY turn out that that was the wrong play. It may turn out that not responding to discovery is going to give Berg a Summary Judgment.

If Berg wins by technicality, it's still a win, and then there WILL be a media frenzy over this. It may get real ugly - not that this election hasn't already been the ugliest one I have ever seen.

Well this issue certainly seems to be catching steam.
Why is it taking Obama so long to produce what has been requested of him?

Something to think about...

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"The Obama camp and Democratic National Committee responded to the lawsuit by filing a motion to dismiss, but they never responded to the request for admissions."

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Even a Hip Hop site is questioning his citizenship
OBAMA - Admitted:

I was born in Kenya.
I am a Kenya "natural born" citizen.
3. My foreign birth was registered in the State of Hawaii.
4. My father, Barrack Hussein Obama, Sr. admitted Paternity of me.
5. My mother gave birth to me in Mombosa, Kenya.
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Obama’s grandmother, half brother and half sister have all given testimony that Obama was born in Kenya.

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Even this lady couldn't believe how easy it was to find a birth certificate for her ailing 92 year old mother...

Within four minutes, she said, "Here it is!" She had found my mother's birth certificate, and it surprised me when I learned my mother's "real" first name and "real" last name had changed significantly as she and her family became Americanized.
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I can only wonder what Obama is doing in Hawaii at this very moment.

EDIT: correction - "hip hop site" - for round_eyed_dog

[edit on 23-10-2008 by Alxandro]

[edit on 23-10-2008 by Alxandro]

Originally posted by Alxandro
Even a Hip Hop is questioning his citizenship

What exactly is a hip hop? I wasn't aware that there were any sentient musical genres.

reply to post by round_eyed_dog


...hip hop site...

it's late, buenas noches.

I do not know how reliable Andy Martin is, but his blog has a brand new twist in the Obama birth controversy

Andy Martin Blog

PART THREE: BARACK OBAMA IS NOT BARACK OBAMA

“OBAMA’S FATHER WAS FRANK MARSHALL DAVIS. OBAMA IS REALLY FRANK MARSHALL DAVIS, JR.,” SAYS ANDY MARTIN

OBAMA’S ‘DREAMS FROM [HIS] FATHER] WAS REALLY A BOOK ABOUT HIS REAL FATHER, FRANK MARSHALL DAVIS

OBAMA WAS THE VICTIM OF A HISTORICAL ANOMALY, AND ROBBED OF HIS BIRTHRIGHT AS THE SCION OF CIVIL RIGHTS ROYALTY

OBAMA’S ORIGINAL “VAULT” BIRTH CERTIFICATE IS EITHER INCOMPLETE OR TAMPERED WITH, WHICH IS WHY IT HAS NEVER SURFACED.

MARTIN SAYS OBAMA SHOULD SUBMIT TO DNA TESTING WITH HIS BROTHERS

WAS OBAMA THE “VICTIM” OF A PRO-LIFE MOTHER?


(HONOLULU, HI)(October 22, 2008) Internet powerhouse Andy Martin told a Honolulu news conference today that after an intense international investigation he is convinced that Barack Obama, Junior, the presidential candidate is really the son of Obama’s controversial mentor Frank Marshall Davis.

Read the full article at the link above.

Any comments?

Edit to add: Looks like Andy lost in court on getting a copy of Obama's BC
Court Ruling

[edit on 10/23/08 by redhatty]

Frank Marshall Davis??

Well that most certainly explains his Socialistic agenda.

Frank Marshall Davis (December 31, 1905, Arkansas City, Kansas; July 26, 1987, Honolulu, Hawaii) was an American journalist, poet and political and labor movement activist. In 1950 he was investigated by the House Un-American Activities Committee for his links with the Communist Party USA in the United States.[1]

WikiPedia

reply to post by Alxandro


Sorry, sometimes I can't curb my smart arsery. I do it out of love!

My birth certificate has the doctors that delivered me listed, plus witnesses, plus my footprints.

I really doubt the one I've seen online is real.

A start to anonymous for bringing it up, he said he was born in Hawaii also before BO.

If Obama is who I think he is, another reason he might not want his real birth certificate to surface showing that he was born in Kenya is by looking again at what Nostradamus says about the 3rd and final Anti-Christ. (Napoleon and Hitler being #1 and #2 respectively) with #3 on the horizon;
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The 3rd and final Anti-Christ

According to Nostradamus, the first two anti-Christs were extremely evil, and history has shown this to be so; however, Nostradamus speaks of a third anti-Christ who is more hideous than all the others combined. Some have said Sadaam Hussein, the dictator from Iraq (proved false now), or even Osama Bin Laden. Could he be this evil tyrant? Others say that he has not yet appeared. What does Nostradamus say about this third anti-Christ? First, Nostradamus tells us he will come from the Middle East.


Out of the country of Greater Arabia shall be born a strong master of Mohammed, he will enter Europe wearing a blue turban. He will be the terror of mankind. Never more horror.

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Note: Kenya is of the area Greater Arabia.

reply to post by DivineGypsy9




What does any of that mumbo jumbo have to with Obama being born in Kenya or not?

reply to post by Alxandro


All that is Berg talking out of the side of his neck.

The judge has not ruled on anything.

reply to post by Alxandro


Oh you are going to need to back up your statements about Obama's grandmother and family testifying.

Do it, or remove the link.

reply to post by Sublime620


I think it would it probably be much easier for you and yours to disprove it.
Until then, the link stays.

reply to post by Alxandro

Obama’s grandmother, half brother and half sister have all given testimony that Obama was born in Kenya.

Back it up or remove it. It's not that hard. Don't post things that have no basis behind them?

Why won't you prove it? If it is true, it shouldn't be hard. And I can't disprove something if it doesn't exist. If it happened, you can prove it. If it didn't, the only way I can prove it is by your lack of evidence for it.

So, as it stands right now, you and that link are both full of it (and you know what I mean by "it").

reply to post by Sublime620


Can you tell me for sure which of the two Hawiian hospitals he was actually born in?

I know there is some controversy over this alone and his followers can't seem to decide on which one it was.

How can you explain that the font on the birth certificate looks like "Arial" font, and in 1961 it would have been typed on a typewriter and would have looked more like "Courier New" font? This birth certificate is a fraud!

reply to post by Alxandro


Let me start off by answering your question, something you could learn from.

I can't say definitively which hospital he was born in until this court case is resolved. That being said, the same goes for you, even though you seem to love running your mouth like you do.

It does not seem to say on the photographs of the Short-Form Birth Certificate, so I cannot draw conclusions from that. I'll just have to wait and see. Possibly the courts will release the Long-Form, but I doubt it. It's not really public record.

*Edit:

This site says he was born here:

Birth: 4 Aug 1961, Kapiolani Medical Center, Honolulu, Honolulu Co., HI



What I do have is a Short-Form Birth Certificate that has been provided. Not saying there isn't more evidence, but that is all that is available to the public. This Short-Form certificate has been proven valid by both government agencies and also non-partisan, non-affiliated groups such as www.factcheck.org (hint: check your facts)

I also have an Announcement of Birth placed in a local Hawaii newspaper by Obama's grandparents.


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So far, you have a lawsuit that has not yet produced anything. It's worth talking about, but not in the definitives you chose to spew around. You have multiple, as far as I can tell, complete lies of statements.

Any credibility you had is long gone in my eyes, and I hope other non-extremist ATS'ers agree that your posts come with a chunk of salt - a grain doesn't do it justice.

If I was you, I'd take the assault down a notch. It isn't helping your cause or your image.

[edit on 23-10-2008 by Sublime620]

Here, factcheck.org addresses Obama's dual citizenship.

Perhaps, and I am guess I am right, you have not checked the other side of the issue. So, I will present it to you, and it remains your choice whether you'd like to see both sides of the issue or just keep a narrow mind:

The Rocky Mountain News did in fact run an online article asserting that Barack Obama holds both American and Kenyan citizenship. The article was incorrect, and the paper removed the item from the article and ran a correction. The paper's editor, John Temple, formally apologized for the error in an Aug. 15, 2007, column. Neither the correction nor the apology has prevented the column from circulating across the Internet as part of the latest set of baseless rumors that Obama is ineligible to run for president.

So one paper asserted that Obama still has dual citizenship. It was incorrect, they acknowledged that, recanted, and apologized. It still circulates the Internet as proof, because people Online are stupid and do not check sources.

When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom's dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.'s children:

British Nationality Act of 1948 (Part II, Section 5): Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth.

In other words, at the time of his birth, Barack Obama Jr. was both a U.S. citizen (by virtue of being born in Hawaii) and a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies (or the UKC) by virtue of being born to a father who was a citizen of the UKC.

So, being born in the U.S., Obama was naturally a U.S. citizen. However, being that his father was from Kenya, Obama was also a citizen of Kenya.

Obama's British citizenship was short-lived. On Dec. 12, 1963, Kenya formally gained its independence from the United Kingdom. Chapter VI, Section 87 of the Kenyan Constitution specifies that:

1. Every person who, having been born in Kenya, is on 11th December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963...

2. Every person who, having been born outside Kenya, is on 11th December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall, if his father becomes, or would but for his death have become, a citizen of Kenya by virtue of subsection (1), become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963.

As a citizen of the UKC who was born in Kenya, Obama's father automatically received Kenyan citizenship via subsection (1). So given that Obama qualified for citizen of the UKC status at birth and given that Obama's father became a Kenyan citizen via subsection (1), it follows that Obama did in fact have Kenyan citizenship after 1963. So The Rocky Mountain News was at least partially correct.

Obama qualified for citizenship in that his father was born there (even after 1963). However, and a big one:

But the paper failed to note that the Kenyan Constitution prohibits dual citizenship for adults. Kenya recognizes dual citizenship for children, but Kenya's Constitution specifies that at age 21, Kenyan citizens who possesses citizenship in more than one country automatically lose their Kenyan citizenship unless they formally renounce any non-Kenyan citizenship and swear an oath of allegiance to Kenya.

Emphasis is mine

There is more to read, and I highly suggest you do that. So, let me sum up your argument, and I'll sum up mine:

Your Argument

• Obama was not born in the U.S.
  
  
• There is an unproven statement that his grandparents have put forth saying he was born in Kenya.
  
  
• It is not your responsibility to prove that is true. It is everyone else's responsibility to prove it false.
  
  
• If, by chance, that theory is not true, you claim Obama lost his U.S. citizenship when he attended a school in Kenya.
  
  
• Oh, you also have a video of some woman saying, "Obama originates from here", and claim that as evidence that Obama was not born in Kenya.
  
  
• There is a lawsuit that has not yet reached the stage of dismissal or discovery, however, it is proof that Obama was not born here.

My Argument

• Obama has provided a Short-Form Birth Certificate that has been verified by both the State Department and independent agencies as legit.
  
  
• The case is still pending. It proves nothing yet. It could end up proving something, but nothing has come out of it yet.
  
  
• There is a birth announcement of Obama in local Hawaii newspapers. It was put in by his grandparents (the very same people who you claim testified that he wasn't born there, but cannot produce the evidence of).
  
  
• You have provided no verifiable evidence other than a court case which is still pending.

Again, I urge you to be patient and wait out the case. If you want to protest that the case should move faster, that's fine. I agree. But, this act of yours that you know for a fact that Obama wasn't born here is completely false and stupid.