Class surprises lesbian teacher on wedding day

Originally posted by LiquidMirage

Originally posted by gimme_some_truth
You are so right on. I couldnt have said it better myself. TKain has really shown nothing but intolerance and ignorance here.

When I first read what Tkain said about this article I though" this perosn has to be sarcastic...right?"

Apparently though, TKain was dead serious. While things may be alot better than they used to be , This only proves that intolerance and prejudice are still alive and well.

What a shame

You know, I really love the way you liberals throw around your rubber stamp, cut and paste, bandwagon, prepackaged response of calling someone ignorant and intolerant whenever you don’t agree with somebody else who doesn’t think like you. And yet, you are too ignorant to realize that you are every bit as intolerant as what you claim others are.

Furthermore, you must also be ignorant to the fact children are impressionable and when exposed to something like this will think that it is perfectly fine and normal. But I’m sure you also think that being a homo is perfectly fine and normal. I suppose wife swapping is fine too, isn’t it?

Kids don’t need to be involved in this sort of BS! Society is going down the tubes as so as it is and here we have kids being introduced to this rubbish. They belong in school learning reading, writing, mathematics, and science, not liberalism 101. They don’t need to learn about a couple of *snip*.

If encouraging tolerance and love for all humans is ignorant than I suppose the majority of the people in this thread are igonrant as can be.

As for your saying I am a liberal like you know me, I am a registered independent. I Have some politcal stances that would be considered liberal and others that would be called conservative. So assuming I am a liberal well thats just, well I think you know where I am going...

You have a problem with children being exposed to this wedding because as you say "they will find it perfectly ok and normal" I challenge you to tell me what is wrong with true love between two people? What is wrong with children accepting people instead of children hating people? What in the world is wrong with acceptance and tolerance for all humans?

Do you really find that love is BS? That is a shame. You will miss out on a lot of good things in your life if thats the case.

Besides this thread is NOT about liberal vs conservative or democrat vs republican. It is about teaching tolerance and love vs teaching bigotry and hate. Which one do you support?

I cant believe that you really think my finding intolerance and bigotry a shame a bad thing.

By the way they didnt learn about a "couple of *snip*" as you put it:@@ real grown up term there) they learned about acceptance of other cultures and other people who have a different way of life.

Like I said if wanting people to accept, tolerate and love others. And wanting racism, bigotry and all forms of prejudice to be a thing of the past is ignorance then I suppose I am as ingornat as the come.

I had alot more to say to but I can see that alot of people have helped me out and have already said what needs to be said to you. So thank you to all that have helped me out here.

[edit on 13-10-2008 by gimme_some_truth]

Mod Edit: Removed offensive term from quote.

[edit on 10/14/2008 by maria_stardust]

Children are already too sexualized!
I've seen lots of threads on here about homosexuality being taught to school children and many proponents have said that it WOULD NOT be taught to kindergartners and early primary ages, well it seems THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MANY WANT!

"It's just utterly unreasonable that a public school field trip would be to a same-sex wedding," said Chip White, press secretary for the Yes on 8 campaign. "This is overt indoctrination of children who are too young to have an understanding of its purpose."
The trip illustrates the message promoted by the campaign in recent days, namely that unless Prop. 8 passes on Nov. 4, children will learn about same-sex marriage in school.

"It shows that not only can it happen, but it has already happened," White said.

These children don't even KNOW the political repercussions of this propaganda,
and someone's handing out "NO on 8" buttons? Despicable!

"She's a really nice teacher. She's the best," said 6-year-old Chava Novogrodsky-Godt, wearing a "No on 8" button on her shirt. "I want her to have a good wedding."

All this AFTER the "No an 8" campaign put out an ad that NO young children would be targeted.
protectmarriage.com

in the same week that the No on 8 campaign launched an ad that labeled as “lies” claims that same-sex marriage would be taught in schools to young children, a first grade class took a school-sponsored trip to a gay wedding

Has the school ever attended a standard wedding on a 'field trip'?

When asked by the Yes on 8 campaign, The San Francisco Chronicle reporter said she did not know if the school had ever sponsored a field trip for students to a traditional wedding. Telling the Chronicle that the field trip was "a teachable moment,

When I was in school, we hardly ever heard of gays amongst us. No holding hands, no secret kissing. Even us straight kids didn't do it that much, at school!

People even wonder why there is SO MUCH more experimentation in homosexuality and bi-sexuality? Because it's been mainstreamed.

I talked to my nephew this weekend who goes to the SAME school I used to go to and he told me there were whole groups of 15 year old girls who were gay and they even passed one girl around between themselves!

Bohemian grove doesn't even HAVE children around them from what I know!

Originally posted by DJMessiah

And so that means that every single union has to be only one man and one woman? How many wives did Solomon have? What about Abraham, how many lovers did he have?

Sarah was dead Before Abraham remarried.

The Kings of Israel were NOT supposed to have more than one wife.
That was where King David and Solomon started their BIGGEST TROUBLES!

Deu 17:15 Thou shalt in any wise set [him] king over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall choose: [one] from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee: thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which [is] not thy brother.
Deu 17:16 But he shall not multiply horses to himself, nor cause the people to return to Egypt, to the end that he should multiply horses: forasmuch as the LORD hath 0said unto you, Ye shall henceforth return no more that way.

Deu 17:17 Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold.

Originally posted by BASSPLYR

Really no kid should be used by their teachers like that.

also, it makes you wonder. did the teacher and her life partner/wife(?) have nobody else like family members to attend and participate in the wedding.

A parent came up with the idea for the field trip - a surprise for the teacher on her wedding day.

I suppose yawl missed that part even thought the OP headline says "Class surprises lesbian teacher on wedding day"

The loser now will be later the win
The times they are a' Changing.

If this was a straight couple getting married no one would care here at ATS.

If it was a legitimate marrige, then the issue wouldn't be about prop 8 like it is.
It would be outrage of the school just wasting time/resorces, and not teaching the fundementals that kids are going to need.

if people want to be gay, FINE, thats thier choice.

I champion the right for people to make thier OWN choices outside of goverment control.




Living in California can sure make on turn to the words of god...

When i moved out here, i thought i was a liberal. I AM registared with the Demoncat party... and ALWAYS have been... But... being out here... this new age liberalism is not what i signed up for...

For Gay rights, that means stomping on tradiotnal marrige, and making the words Mom and Dad illigal
For our country it mean allowing illigals to overrun the country
On abortion it means being in favor of Infantacide
It means aganist the death penality
It means that ONLY humans are causeing the earth to warm
It means more taxes for people
It means less freedom
More regulations

I've come to find that i am not a Demoncat at all...
I think marrige is between a man and a women (Civil unions are FINE)
I think that every illigal alien should be deported into jail in thier home country
I think that killing a 8-month old baby is JUST that
I belive that murders should be killed
I can see thru sceintific data that OUR WHOLE SOLOR system is heating up
I KNOW that we are over-taxed as it is
I belive that people should be able to eat the food they want, and have a cig if they want

Im not a DemonCat at all...

And it took me a couple years to figure this out.

Im not down with girls idolizing whores
im not down with this hook-up culture
im not down with english being overrun

I stopped watching TV MANY years ago...
I see the damage it causes people...

As people are now, they are unable to reason, unable to think independently.
The brainwashing has NEVER been this bad in recorded history.
Its impossible to have disscusions with some people.
they have been programed, so that, when they hear a 'keyword', they go NUTS, and start screaming the 'catch phrase'...

This topic is a Very good example of that.
The VERY NOTION of pointing out the "gay" issue sets it off...

People start screaming, "why are you mad about people in love"

Did i say that? No... not at all.
I dont care what you love. You can love what you want. Love your dog, your PC, your ipod.
I dont care.


Gay rights groups want to have Marrige for homos so they can wave it in the face of legitimatly married couples.
Thats all.


And BESIDES, people should vote yes on prop 8 JUST to reverse the power grab that they did....

But i cannot expect you guys to know that... that would take an understanding of hisorical events, and the ablility to reason, and a working knowledge of how our constitutional republic works...


[edit on 10/13/2008 by TKainZero]

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I agree. How dare they subject children to witness love and caring...all the things that is required for a loving relationship; or teach them to apply civics to real-world situations. The sad part is, this event will spawn a Hurricane on the Gulf coast. Liberals.

Clearskies,

Thank you for quoteing scripture.

I have never read a Religious text... But... i just may...

Keep quoteing from it..

Please...


Most people are so full of themselves that they either ignorte history, or are egotistical to the point were they think they are the first to think of something...


I read something that scared me to death...

It was from a tablet, THOUSANDS of years old, in ancient Assyria... It read,

"The young listen no tto the old, the girls run around like whores, the end of days is surely around th corner"

The Text was over 4000 years old...

This sexual devience is not new
this societial Greed is not new


There is GREAT knowledge in the religious texts...
Lessons...
Instructions...

Please...
Keep quoteing from the religious texts...

Like,
"A man shall not layth with a man as he would with a women"

WHOW.. don't let that one out... that will REALY piss off the leftists...

Please, keep quoting, i know NOTHING of the bilbe and OTHER religious texts...

for a text that is 2000 years old... Its SHOCKINGLY relevent..

another quote that i have fallen in love with over the past few weeks...

"Cast aside your false idols of gold and silver"
Wow... what a line... think that has any meaning on the global finnancial meltdown...

About as much as the first one does on our Social meltdown



***

Now, im going to go listen to some bob dylan, and smoke a nice big cigar... and get bad looks from my neighbors... cause im just SO evil for hurting the enviroment by smoking...

[edit on 10/13/2008 by TKainZero]

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Do you honestly think the only reason gay people want to get married is so that they can flaunt it in the face of straight people?

Could it be that they just want to be treated like everyone else and have the same rights and protections that straight married couples have?

[edit on 10/13/2008 by skeptic1]

Originally posted by TKainZero

im not down with english being overrun

Yet you seem to have middling control with said language at best. Does this mean that you have to drive yourself out of the country.

Down with me! I am everything that's wrong with this country.

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Only... no one can make that determination...

But it definatly is a BIG one...

Why, cause i have seen it first hand already...

Gays can get married here in California right now... ive seen these people...

Just a story, cause you brought it up.

I was at a party, with some old friends from my early days at college.
One of the people there, a good freind, was a gay man.
And, the party was after the Supreme court did thier overstep of power.
He got a bit drunk, and started being loud...
Walking around the party to couples, and saying...

"Its because of me that you can't have Man and Wife on your marrige license, HAHAHA"

He took such Joy in it.
Now, he is an reasonable man, decently smart, not briliant by any means, but reasonable. So, as the night wore down, i began to have a disscusion with him.

About the MEANS in which this law came to pass.
He didnt like the way it happen, but he didn't mind because it benifieted him.

Yet you seem to have middling control with said language at best. Does this mean that you have to drive yourself out of the country.

Admittingly, i am a horrible spell.
Just terrible
Awful
bad in more ways then words can describe...

Im a bad speller... this is true... i don't bother to try to hide it. And for the most part, i belive that you can understand what i am trying to say... and if you cannot, JUST ask...
Ill clarify.. the best i can...

Now, if your one of those people with an OCD for mispelled words... you probaly shoudl copy/paste my post to word and do a spell check first...

English is my first language, but not my only
And you will be happy to know that i spell bad in all languages...

Also, i am good with defininitions, but poor with spelling... many times i want to use a word, but when i spell it, even I cannot recognise it...


So if spelling and presentation are your biggest worries...

Go vote for the Facist who speaks nicely


"See, I'm still waiting for someone to quote the bible passage that outlaws lesbianism... "


Is there a religious quote about lesbians? would figure it falls in the same area as gay men... but im not a religious man... so i wouldn't know...

And, the story is 100% true, it happen this past june. The same week as Gay Day...

[edit on 10/14/2008 by TKainZero]

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Hmmm...have you actually ever listened to Mr. Zimmerman's lyrics? Somehow I doubt it. You do understand what The Times They Are A-Changin' is about right?


Edit: That story is so completely made up. You sound like a little kid describing his imaginary friends. What's next....One time, at band camp...



[edit on 14-10-2008 by teeveesfrank]

Originally posted by TKainZero
If that isn't a blantent example of what Social indoctrination is. Give me a couple more.

You know, you really shouldn't throw words around without actually looking at their full significance.

School IS social indoctrination. How else do you make a nation of people willing to lay down their lives for a system of government?

Everything you learn in school are the values desired by your government. Whose values are those (in your case) presumably desired by a majority of the people.

Recently (since about 1776 or so) those values have been the subject of debate, court cases and much public acrimony.

Such social indoctrination includes the theory of natural selection ("absurd", they said), the theory of intelligent design ("absurd", they said), the theory of racial equality ("absurd", they said), the theory of sexual equality ("abs...", I think we're getting the picture here...)...

So these primary school kids are being indoctrinated not to have prejudice...colour me in "not particularly concerned or aggrieved". Oh, it was in California? Colour me not particularly surprised, either.

See, I'm still waiting for someone to quote the bible passage that outlaws lesbianism...

Sad how our own schools are aiming to corrupt children these days. Very sad, the end times are here.

Originally posted by topsecretombomb
Sad how our own schools are aiming to corrupt children these days. Very sad, the end times are here.

You know, because it's clear what you did and didn't do before typing that reply, I'm going to help you out a bit...

Originally posted by zorgon

A parent came up with the idea for the field trip - a surprise for the teacher on her wedding day.

I suppose yawl missed that part even thought the OP headline says "Class surprises lesbian teacher on wedding day"

Originally posted by topsecretombomb
Sad how our own schools are aiming to corrupt children these days. Very sad, the end times are here.

I agree. With so many schools forcing prayer, taking evolution out of the classrooms, and not keeping religion out, they're corrupting the minds of non-believers.

Originally posted by Clearskies

Children are already too sexualized!
I've seen lots of threads on here about homosexuality being taught to school children and many proponents have said that it WOULD NOT be taught to kindergartners and early primary ages, well it seems THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MANY WANT!

Other then your need to voice your irrational fear of the 'Radical Homosexual Agenda', what was the point of your post? What does sexuality have to do with this wedding?

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For Gay rights, that means stomping on tradiotnal marrige, and making the words Mom and Dad illigal

1. No gay activist do not wish to outlaw those words, whoever is feeding you that propaganda is wrong and you will find no ounce of truth to it.

2. The tradition of marriage has been changed through out our history, this is why women are not men’s property and blacks can marry whites. Our current tradition is an already tampered version of marriage, so there is no reason why we should not change it again to include gay couples; especially since it does not affect straight couples in any way. Also if the government did not include itself in marriage and give certain civil rights only to married couples this would not be an issue in the first place. Tell me how does gay marriage directly affect straight couples in any way? It takes no rights away, it only gives them to other consenting adults in loving relationships, so they can visit their loved ones in the hospital with out complications, so they aren’t required to testify against a loved one in court (a right given to legally married couples), and a host of other basic civil liberties denied gay couples.

3. I know this is “off topic” but I couldn’t help addressing your obvious ignorance.


[edit on 14-10-2008 by rapinbatsisaltherage]

reply to post by Clearskies

Children are already too sexualized!

Do you believe straight weddings are “sexualized”? Do you not believe children should be allowed at straight weddings? Honestly this is fear mongering bigotry at its worst. These parents actively made sure their children were involved in this wedding. You may not agree with that however frankly it is none of your business, and you jump to bigoted, hateful, conspiracy conclusions simply because you have some religious vendetta against homosexuals and their right to marry.

reply to post by TKainZero

But i cannot expect you guys to know that... that would take an understanding of hisorical events, and the ablility to reason, and a working knowledge of how our constitutional republic works...

You are just too much. You above everyone else in this thread understand the inner workings of our political system!? Please.

That post was ridiculous I am sorry. The way you just outlined the politics of democrats and liberals shows you know very little about these political parties.

I am not going to address other parts of your rant. Why? You once again ignored my other post and questions to you. You did it in the other thread about homosexual rights, and now again in this thread. This shows you are not open to further intellectual exploration on these ideas. From a fellow Cali kid I would like to say "Dude, your mind is closed"