Class surprises lesbian teacher on wedding day

reply to post by TKainZero


I don't even know why I bother.....

You had your first crush on a girl. Ok. Did you have an internal debate with yourself as to whether you really liked the girl or did it just happen? My guess it that it just happened.

You were born straight. I was born straight. One of my best friends was born gay. None of us makes a conscious choice in who we are attracted to....it just happens. It is natural. It may not be normal to you, but it is natural.

And, normal is subjective. We all have our own definitions of "normal".

I am guessing if I post again, my real post will show up above this one??

Gotta love buggy computer things.....

Edit to add:

HA....it worked.

[edit on 10/15/2008 by skeptic1]

Originally posted by TKainZero
reply to post by Cuhail

 

What does it take for someone to become Gay?

They choose to be gay.
They choose to enguage in that.

What does it take for someone to become "not gay"?

They choose to be not gay.
They choose to engage in not gayness. ?? is that a word?

Now, many people want to tell you that they don't have the CHOICE to be heterosexual "not gay". Those people are afraid of having the responsibility of choice. These people want no responsibility, they don't want to think that they are in control of their lives...

See how that is done? You just change the word from homosexual to heterosexual, and see how that seems? Kinda dumb eh?

Do YOU choose to be heterosexual? Or are you just heterosexual? If you don't get to choose, and you just ARE, why is it so incomprehensible that someone else JUST IS homosexual?

So, if you don't get to choose if you are heterosexual, why does someone else get to choose if they are homosexual?

Or did you at some point in your life go hmmmm, I think I will choose to be heterosexual AND, if you did make such a choice in your life, why did you make such a choice? AND if you did make such a choice in your life, how are you being responsible to your true feelings?

reply to post by amazed


Good post amazed. It shows how silly this thread is when one replaces the word “homosexual” with “heterosexual”. So much fuss over a teacher’s wedding when no one would give a damn if the teacher was in a heterosexual relationship shows how trivial this issue should be. People want to focus on this women’s sexuality that she has no choice in and want to demonize her when they don’t even know her. Well I’ll admit I’m a bit focused on it too, because I’m so damn happy for her when I read that article, when I see all those happy children and their tolerant parents helping her celebrating her love for another human being I can’t help but think my hope in humanity and our often conservative society is being restored. It is a pity that some on this board show how internally ugly they are when faced with a beautiful thing.

Originally posted by Towgunner0352
Ya more of the harmless gay agenda. I dont belive all gays are born that way. I think people can be influnced in to their desion.

Not sure if that was sarcasm with the 'harmless' or whatever. There is no radical homosexual agenda though fyi. That agenda was fabricated to support other people's agenda

And you're right. Mind over matter. People can ultimately do whatever they want when they put their minds to it. Even convince themselves they are different then their natural sexual orientation. It's possible, sure.

The vast majority of the populace simply act out their natural sexual orientation though, and that can be gay just as it can be straight. It can even be a mix of both

Originally posted by TKainZero

Originally posted by skeptic1
reply to post by TKainZero

 

When did you choose to be straight?

Probaly when i had my first crush/girlfriend in the 1st grade.

Then again, my parents have always wanted thier kids to grow up, and get married, and have lots of kids...


If people do not CHOOSE to be gay, how do they become gay...?

Some would say that it could be genetic, when all tests so far this is not the case.

Some say it could be enviromental...
The thought of it being an enviormental sideeffect is intresting.

Mabye you become gay if you had pink wallpaper as a child...
Mabye you become gay if you smell a certain flower...
Mabye a boy becomes gay if he doesnt get into a fight at a young age...
The possiblities are endless...

I dismiss this notion of Enviormental Gayness...

I belive that being Gay is a choice.

You do not so much as choose to be straight, but rather, straight is a defualt..
Being straight is a clean slate.

You are born straight.

A clean slate.

Every Human alive has a mother and a father

Male-Female relationships are the MOST BACIS staple of human existance.

If you want to choose to be in a male-male relationship, or a female-female relationship, so be it.

Thats your choice.
If you want to have multiple wives, your choice
you want multiple husbands, your choice
You want to marry a dog, go ahead...

But don't tell me that you want to be called an equal to those in a Normal-hetero realationship.

Theres nothing normal about going to such extreme lengths to convince us all that your straight . I had a gay friend at work who did that for years .
he never fooled any of us with his phoney balloney cover stories .

So one day we go out for a drink at the bar and he FINALLY comes out.
I say 'good for you Jim , but you know I kinda had it figured a long time ago '.
he was so shocked to find his life of lies was so obvious.
"okay" he said "but dont tell Mike okay ? I dont think He would take it to well and I dont want to loose him as a friend".
"dude, he knows ,we all know and its OKAY "
The burden that came off poor Jims shoulders that day .

He used to be such a Bitch before he came out.

A lot like you .

Originally posted by TKainZero

What does it take for someone to become Gay?

They choose to be gay.
They choose to enguage in that.

Its realy that simple....

You choose to be Gay
You choose to be in a Hetero-Realationship

Its that simple.

How simple is that? Do you think people are gay only if they engage in sexual intercourse with someone of the same sex? Cause I think people are gay only if they are sexually attracted to people of the same sex (and, as Lucid Lunacy has pointed out, not to people of the opposite sex). You can be gay and have sex with people of the opposite sex, but from what people have told me, it's a pretty miserable way to live. You can be gay, bi, or straight, and be celibate. Human sexuality is not a simple thing. Human intimacy and commitment even less so.

Now, many people want to tell you that they don't have the CHOICE to be gay. Those people are afraid of having the responsiblity of choice. These people want no responsiblity, they don't want to think that they are in control of thier lives...

So. the fact that I do not think I have the choice to be gay means that I'm ducking responsibility? Because I don't. I'm not gay – it was never a choice.

DOn't try to ram it down our throughts...

Were you required to attend this wedding? Or did you have to look online for news that you couldfeel self-righteously angry about?

Whats wroung with civil unions?
Why isn't that enough?
Why do homos want to have the word marrige?

I don't know the legalities in California. Why do heterosexual couples want the word marriage? I imagine there are mixed and varying reasons for both gay and straight couples. Why do you want to forbid them the word marriage?

What are you outraged about? Is it that children were there or that two women were married? As for the bs on this thread about having to explain a kiss between two women – is that not going to come up if you limit gays to "civil unions"? That doesn't sound like it's the field trip that's bothering you at all!

As far as the photo in this thread that got removed, yes, a photo (beautiful photo, btw) of two women in underwear prone on a bed kissing is a very different think in terms of sexual content from two women fully dressed kissing on the steps of City Hall. Again, the same would apply if it was of a man and a woman, or two men. The straw men in this thread have been particularly poorly designed, in my opinion.

[edit on 10/15/08 by americandingbat]

The more you run away from your true self ,the harder it chases you and the crankier it gets trying to catch up.

How many Jock proffesional Football players dont come out for fear of being labeled abnormal ?

I was lucky to have a bisexual father !

Does that make me an abnormal hetro ?

The jocks used to hate me for scoring with all those gorgeous american babes ! It was so easy ,because I treated them with respect and enjoyed their company . And I know how to hold back until THEY have at least one orgasm first .

The way I used to see Jocks treat women sickened and disgusted me ,still does .

And yeah ,some of my very best friends are gay .

reply to post by TKainZero


Come out ,come out ,whoever you are.......

Did your father love you as a child ? Does that make him gay ?

How do you know your parents were totally straight ?

I thought my dad was straight for a long time.

Actually I thought my wife was too....

I do understand your anger pain and frustration to a degree but you need to take a long hard look at your words because they dont fool a lot of people .

What does it take for someone to become Gay?

They choose to be gay.
They choose to enguage in that.


Its realy that simple....

No it isn't really simple, how out of touch can one really be???

You choose to be Gay
You choose to be in a Hetero-Realationship

Why would someone choose to be gay??? Have you ever chosen who you fell in love with??? No, right??? It just happened.

Now, many people want to tell you that they don't have the CHOICE to be gay. Those people are afraid of having the responsiblity of choice. These people want no responsiblity, they don't want to think that they are in control of thier lives...

This is just absurd... How about maybe, they really didn't have a choice??? Neither one of our claims have been proven 100%, though the choice claim has more evidence to back it up.

Why do homos want to have the word marrige?

Why?

What does it matter??? What is so special about marriage anyway. Why does it bother you so much that homosexuals want the right to be married??? When someone can marry a woman he doesn't even know in Las Vegas, and then divorce her the next week, I wouldn'tcall that very sacred, or special.

Personally, marriage is a waste of time, and money. But if two people truly love eachother, be they straight or homosexual, and they feel marriage is what they really want then who the hell is society to say that they're wrong???

But Like I said earlier, if idiots put half the energy that they put into this homosexual issue, into more constructive things that actually matter, the world probably wouldn't be the crap hole that it is.

Society as a whole needs to just #ing grow up, because to be in the year 2008 and still be littered with prejudice, and childish adults is an embarrasment to the human race.

Probaly when i had my first crush/girlfriend in the 1st grade.

Then again, my parents have always wanted thier kids to grow up, and get married, and have lots of kids...


If people do not CHOOSE to be gay, how do they become gay...?

Some would say that it could be genetic, when all tests so far this is not the case.

You have got to be joking. You chose to be straight when you had your first crush in 1st grade??? No, you didn't choose, you were just naturally attracted to that girl. You had no choice in being attracted to that girl, you just were right???

"If people don't choose to be gay, how do they become it"???

Simple, they don't, they just always were.

You want to marry a dog, go ahead...

So you think a dog should have more human rights than a homosexual human???

I'm sure God didn't have it in mind for Gays to get married, let alone dogs. But here you are, saying that it is alright for a man to marry a dog, But it is not alright for a man to marry another man. Why not???

TKain, what do you have to say about the homosexuals who want nothing more than to be straight???

AND if you did make such a choice in your life, how are you being responsible to your true feelings?

reply to post by topsecretombomb


It's at times like this that the only mental image I get is from the Simpsons:

"Won't someone please think of the children?"

As for "who approved it?" I am again forced to do your reading for you...

As is the case with all field trips, parents had to give their permission and could choose to opt out of the trip. Two families did.

The PARENTS approved it, thank you. Here's a really strong tip for acheiving the site's motto: READ.


"Who approved it?" you ask, clearly pointing the finger at "the authorities". In what way, exactly, do you think the school is involved in what parents choose to do with their children when they are not in class?

As the teacher wasn't in class and parents have the right to remove their children from school at any time they choose, why do you immediately assume the school was required to give its approval for where the parents chose to take their children?

It is immaterial that this was a school field trip, as it was virtually unanimously supported by the parents you can safely assume that they probably would have taken their kids to the ceremony privately had the class-trip not met school approval as a class-trip.


On a slightly diverging track...

Are you, should you ever have children of your own, intending to seek the Vice-Principal's advice on family outings, shopping trips, choice of car, which newspaper your children read, which medical insurance company you take out a policy with, who to vote for, whether you get slate or wooden floors, which television programmes your children watch, which pool they learn to swim in and who their friends should be?

Or do you intend to make those decisions autonomously, as your own parents did?

Hmm, my bible-thumping aunt has finally found a fellow lunatic to spend her life with, I wonder if Principal Skinner will approve of me taking the boys to the wedding? They could be unduly influenced by the reactionary Catholic lifestyle the wedding will expse them to...


[edit on 16-10-2008 by HowlrunnerIV]

reply to post by reconpilot


That is such a nice story about your friend.It warmed the cockles of my heart.Hooray for the Gays I say.Where would we be without gays?Have the gay bashers here never watched 'Queer Eye for the Straight Guy'and seen them civilise unwashed ,unkempt,knuckledraggers into well-dressed and groomed partners for their long sufferring girlfriends and wives.They even teach them to string a few words together.They are like missionaries bravely going to Land of Hetrosity to teach the natives civilsed ways.

Originally posted by TKainZero
reply to post by Cuhail

 

What does it take for someone to become Gay?

Attraction?

They choose to be gay.

So in essence they choose to risk their reputation, ostracism, violence, and in some cases their lives? Wouldn't it be much easier to just stay straight?

They choose to enguage in that.

They do indeed. It's their business, not yours.

Its realy that simple....

If it was, then nobody would "choose" to be gay to attract problems.

You choose to be Gay

I am assuming that you are straight (not a closet homosexual). Can you see yourself making the decision to be attracted to someone of same sex?

Its that simple.

What is so simple is that it is natural. It's quite baffling, isn't it?

Now, many people want to tell you that they don't have the CHOICE to be gay. Those people are afraid of having the responsiblity of choice. These people want no responsiblity, they don't want to think that they are in control of thier lives...

Which is easier? Stay straight and avoid problems, or "decide" to go gay and attract troubles?

If you are gay, fine.
Your choice, i respect that.

Doesn't sound like you are respecting homosexuals' "choices"

What 2 consentual adults do to each other is their OWN bueisness.
Go ahead, have all the fun you want.

Now I'm confused. Is it or is it not your business?

DOn't try to ram it down our throughts...

Who is doing that?

Okay, I'm stopping here. If it was a choice, then we will not see many homosexuals today. I'll leave you to think this through.

reply to post by Bombeni


Well seeing a new light from you Bombeni was just as encouraging as some of the other great posts I have read in this thread

Originally posted by candyfloss
reply to post by reconpilot

 

That is such a nice story about your friend.It warmed the cockles of my heart.Hooray for the Gays I say.Where would we be without gays?Have the gay bashers here never watched 'Queer Eye for the Straight Guy'and seen them civilise unwashed ,unkempt,knuckledraggers into well-dressed and groomed partners for their long sufferring girlfriends and wives.They even teach them to string a few words together.They are like missionaries bravely going to Land of Hetrosity to teach the natives civilsed ways.

yeah I know . Maybe hetro is abnormal . Or I am a butch lesbian in a mans body . Damned if I can figure it out ,damned if I care anymore .
But this I do know . Women are rarely seduced by looks alone . And this is something that a lot of 'straight' guys are to vain and stupid to realise .

A lot of homophobia is pure religious brain washing and yet the priest hood is riddled with closets . When you suppress whats natural it just comes out twisted .

I have churchophobia . Dont mind admitting that . When god comes out of the closet maybe the whole deck of cards will collapse .

I always knew god was gay . Maybe thats why I wont get in to heaven .

reply to post by reconpilot


That's interesting,I always thought I was a gay man in a womans body.So ,if your a lesbian in man's body and we dated would that mean there were four of us in this relationship .Could get expensive on Valentines Day but at least I would know that your could lift heavy weights and be sensitive to my needs AND we could go shopping together (i think)
Seriously though,how many pages is this homophobic claptrap going to yeild and as for 'choosing' to be gay?Is this brainwashing from the Palin Church of Whatsahola or what?At least if all gays are going to hell we can take comfort that it will be colour co-ordinated and neat and tidy and have some nice parades everynow and again.

Yours ,not gay but wish I was just to spite the homolimp*****s,

Candyfloss

Originally posted by candyfloss
That's interesting,I always thought I was a gay man in a womans body.So ,if your a lesbian in man's body and we dated would that mean there were four of us in this relationship .Could get expensive on Valentines Day but at least I would know that your could lift heavy weights and be sensitive to my needs AND we could go shopping together (i think)
Seriously though,how many pages is this homophobic claptrap going to yeild and as for 'choosing' to be gay?Is this brainwashing from the Palin Church of Whatsahola or what?At least if all gays are going to hell we can take comfort that it will be colour co-ordinated and neat and tidy and have some nice parades everynow and again.

Yours ,not gay but wish I was just to spite the homolimp*****s,

Candyfloss

Gays are only about 5% of the population there it is "normal" to be heterosexual and "not normal" to be gay- there is no shame in using words as their dictionary definition defines them

I'm not a gay basher, people can sleep with who they like- on a side note I take issue with many of the gay "pride" parades (and Ive read many homosexuals are also uncomfortable with them) as it is often a display of freakishness with many of the attenders seemingly incredibly needy with deep seated issues as opposed to displaying "pride"

Originally posted by blueorder
there is no shame in using words as their dictionary definition defines them

Definitions are contextual as well.

Think about the Law for instance. Many words that would have certain meaning in casual conversation, have much more complex or concise meanings when used in the context of Law. Do you need me to list some or do you get my point on this part?

With the 5% figure you gave, which for the sake of the argument I am going to assume is correct (even though I think it's conservative), that amounts to what? Like 15 or 20 million people or so?

How are you defining normal anyways? Is there a magic number, a certain threshold, when it officially becomes 'normal' in your eyes? 30 million?...
Do homosexuals have to be the majority before it is 'normal' in your eyes? If so, then that's not 'normal', not by any definition.

Say it like it is, if you don't accept something because it's a minority then the issue isn't about normallacy at all, it's the very fact it's a minority, because it's different.

Many, in this context, would say homosexuality is 'normal' because it is natural.

Originally posted by Towgunner0352
Ya more of the harmless gay agenda. I dont belive all gays are born that way. I think people can be influnced in to their desion.

I don't think ANYONE "decides" to be gay. It is a much harder path in life - SOOO much easier to be straight, because even today as enlightenment dawns, a straight individual will virtually NEVER have the kind of hatred projected on then as we see evidenced here by some based solely on their sexual orientation.

One either is or is not attracted to members of one's own sex.

Originally posted by TKainZero
reply to post by Cuhail

 

What does it take for someone to become Gay?

They choose to be gay.
They choose to enguage in that.


Its realy that simple....


You choose to be Gay
You choose to be in a Hetero-Realationship

Darling... You are confusing the choice of action with the static nature of attraction.

Do you look at another male and ask yourself, "Shall I be sexually attracted to that person?" Do you look at a female and ask yourself the same?

No, darling. You don't. You either are or are not attracted.

Now you can look at another individual and choose (if they are willing) to have sex with them, yes. And many people have sex for reasons other than attraction. But attraction is innate and NOT a choice.

Now you might bring in some restrictive paradigm to suggest that attraction should never be acted upon in given situations (and this is a good thing if it involves doing things to another that that other does not want to participate in), but if we use the Golden Rule, looking at it reverse, what do we see?

I am presuming you are male. Suppose that gay was the "norm" and you are (as I presume you are) heterosexual. Let us presume that it is "immoral" to have sex with the opposite gender.

The supposition is that you can CHOOSE to be gay. That you are of the Evil Entity, even, if you have sex with a woman.

And you are ridiculed, spat upon, and denied many things because you just can't get it up for another man.

How would you go about "choosing" to be attracted to men?

Sweetheart, you can't.

And you would go through life hiding your sexual attractions, or bearing the crap you get for your attractions. You would hear people tell you you "have a choice," to stop having sex with women because you can choose not to.

Would you be a happy person? Would you think there was much love in these that persecuted you and hurt you? Any charity in them?

Wouldn't you call for tolerance?

Think about it a while.