Class surprises lesbian teacher on wedding day

Originally posted by RRconservative
I am FOR Gay Marriage...If a gay man wants to marry a gay woman, government should not stop them

Oh how very compassionate and understanding of you.

Originally posted by Clearskies

Because girls are confused and don't trust guys anymore!
Vice-versa. I have seen LOTS of girls molested by men who turn to each other for love.
Not many women molest compared to men, but, I think boys have the same effect, (ironically) sometimes when molested by men.
Either it's being scared off the opposite sex or adoration for themselves and those like them.

Clearskies. I know this has been explained to you before. I have personally been in more then one thread where you have had this explained to you.

Homosexuality is nautral. You can argue the morality of it, and all the biblical interpretations until your heart is filled with holy light, that's okay. You can even be homophobic if you wan't. Your choice.

But homosexuality is natural.

The fact that you think homosexuality is the aftermath of sexual abuse is just so completely ignorant. Especially when many ATS members have given their personal life accounts to dispute that.


[edit on 14-10-2008 by Lucid Lunacy]

Well I see the good slaves are obeying their masters and providing the entertainment that they have been programmed to give. All those lost souls in the land of confusion between the left/right paradigm are at it again.
On one side we have the tolerance, acceptance, rights of all "humans"
On the other we have intolerance, immoral, and eternal damnation.
FTA it was stated that indeed the children did not witness the actual ceremony but were there when the 2 women came out. So they were bussed there to throw rose petals to their teacher. Would it not have been more of a "teachable experience" to have the children attend the actual ceremony? If these children are able to come to rational, thought out conclusions on same-sex marriage why was it not one of the children from the teachers class that borne the idea of going to city hall to shower their teacher with rose petals? But instead it was a parent who came up with the idea. These children are nothing more than window dressing.

Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
But homosexuality is natural.

I actually suspect it is a failure in the way the child was raised. Perhaps too much of one parent, either way, perhaps social problems at school, who knows.

I can't imagine that it is natural, because natural selection would simply remove it from the gene pool after enough generations. See Y-chromosomal Adam and mitochondrial Eve for an example of how, eventually and mathematically, genetic lines get dropped.

Originally posted by C.C.Benjamin

I actually suspect it is a failure in the way the child was raised. Perhaps too much of one parent, either way, perhaps social problems at school, who knows.

I do know. I am bisexual. My parents are wonderful. I had, and still do have, a great family. We all get along. We were (as I was raised) a pretty solid upper-middle class family actually.

Are you suggesting heterosexuals have never had a broken home?

Problems at school? Yeah, school sucked big time

Are you suggesting school has never sucked for a heterosexual?

Too much of one parent? Yes. My mother worked a lot as an RN.

Are you suggesting there is an equal distribution of time from both parents for heterosexuals?...

I can't imagine that it is natural, because natural selection would simply remove it from the gene pool after enough generations.

Is this the depopulation concern? The World's population is huge, and it's growing. This is absolutely a moot point if you think about it.

[edit on 14-10-2008 by Lucid Lunacy]

Originally posted by C.C.Benjamin
I actually suspect it is a failure in the way the child was raised. Perhaps too much of one parent, either way, perhaps social problems at school, who knows.

I can't imagine that it is natural, because natural selection would simply remove it from the gene pool after enough generations. See Y-chromosomal Adam and mitochondrial Eve for an example of how, eventually and mathematically, genetic lines get dropped.

It's nice to see that Freud is alive and well and teamed up with a rather oversimplified Darwinism.

There are all sorts of very plausible theories about how homosexuality persists in the face of natural selection even if it's 100% genetic. Including the possibility that it has been beneficial to the survival of human groups to have some members not procreate themselves but act as a support net for nieces and nephews.

Or it could be linked to multiple genes, some of which may provide other beneficial characteristics. Or it could be a combination of genetics and environment. But natural selection is not so simple as you are implying.

Originally posted by Grumble
Good for them.

Is the conflict here a religious one? If so, will one of the Christians please explain to me how the teachings of Jesus are consistent with being judgmental toward anyone or teaching one's children to be judgmental?

Leviticus, Chapter 20, Verse 13 reads:
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination and shall be put to death



Depends which type of christian you ask apparently

Lucid Lunay,

Over the many years we have been here, i have always found your posts intresting.
As you have always found my posts revolting... as evidenced that i have been your Foe for as long as i can remember...


Now, can you just answer some questions for me? I want to try to understand where you are coming from...

Are you a Male or Female?
What part of the Country do you live in?
How old are you?
Are you YOURSELF gay?
Is everything natural good?
If someone FEELS like doing something, does that make it right?
Just because something feels good, does that make it right?

reply to post by moocowman


Granted those are not the Words of Jesus himself.

That just happens to be in the same book

reply to post by C.C.Benjamin


Instances of homosexuality have been documented amoung MANY pack living mammals. Lions, goats, elephants and all the great apes including ourselves, the list is quite extensive (a little project for you, if your openminded enough to take up the challenge, go find out more!). Therefore, the assumtion that homosexuality is somehow unnatural is not derived from any actual evidence or logic.

I challenge you also to look into some of the social experiments carried in Mao's China. One in particular stands out. The chairman had an idea that he could change romantic love to love of the leader if he kept his people in single sex environments, i think you can guess the results, just like prison populations. We seem to have the ability to take love where we find it, with precious little to do with genetics

"If a man lieth with mankind as he doeseth a chic etc etc", advice from the guilt industry?, hardly constructive.

Ultimately however, this is case where if we all minded our own business we'd all get on alot better.

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[edit on 14/10/08 by feoil]

reply to post by Clearskies



If it were not normal to be gay, I cannot help but wonder why throughout history millions of intelligent people would choose to be in a minority, the victims of hate and persecution etc.

Making that choice seems not normal to me, the irony seems to be that christians who have a choice over the way they are, persecute those who have not.


And before the bible thumpers go off on one claiming the christianity or the bible or the jesusgod doesn't condemn gay people.
If that was true then this thread would certainly not exist, man did'nt create an abomniation the jesusgod did.

Please bare in mind, the more gay men there are the more females are available for the straight male, so it would not be in the interest of the straight male to to change gay men.

So when I see a good looking man that turns out to be gay, I get on my knees and thank allah that he was made this gay and can't change, so's an ugly old bastard like me will have a little more chance with the babes.
You know what I'm saying here dude?

Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by moocowman

 

Granted those are not the Words of Jesus himself.

That just happens to be in the same book

Sorry to disagree dude but I've been informed by the christians themselves that the bible is the inerrant word of god.

If it were not inerrant then every single word can be braught into question.

reply to post by TKainZero


I don't disagree with all your posts. Just the ones in this thread

Are you a Male or Female?

Male. Or maybe half women. That's me in the avatar.

What part of the Country do you live in?

Same as you. California, USA.

How old are you?

26 human years.

Are you YOURSELF gay?

I am myself bisexual. Which means I am able to find sexual attraction to both sexes. This does not mean everyone. Just as it doesn't mean everyone women for you. I myself have been attracted to more women then men so far in my life.

Is everything natural good?

Not sure how to answer that concisely. I believe the conception of good and bad is ultimately relative. I think it's silly to attribute that kind of duality to the tao that is nature. I would say that my personal moral compass says that everything starts off good, I believe people are born good. I believe the natural order of things is good, in that the more free we are to act in accordance to natural laws the 'gooder' it is

If someone FEELS like doing something, does that make it right?
Just because something feels good, does that make it right?

We are a collective social species. We need each other to survive. Therefore I think we should decide on our moral interpretation together. And it is and interpretation. Like I said, I believe it's relative to us, to our hearts and to our minds. Nature just is.

That said, I just grabbed this from Wiki. This reflects the way I look at things. Please let me know if this answer suffices or not.

The Golden Rule was a common principle in ancient Greek philosophy. A few examples:

"Do not to your neighbor what you would take ill from him." (Pittacus)[2]
"Avoid doing what you would blame others for doing." (Thales)[3]
"What you wish your neighbors to be to you, such be also to them." (Sextus the Pythagorean)[4]
"Do not do to others what would anger you if done to you by others." (Isocrates)[5]
"What thou avoidest suffering thyself seek not to impose on others." (Epictetus)[6]

[edit on 15-10-2008 by Lucid Lunacy]

reply to post by moocowman


I am already very familiar that most Christians view the entire Bible as the inspired Word of God and therefore feel that Christ agrees with everything it said.

I said that myself in this thread

Who cares, you cant walk though town these days without, homosexuality being blatently displayed.

Homosexuality is a Problem,It Just not Natural.

But lesbianism i dont mind............
*snip*

Mod Edit: Removed offensive photo.

[edit on 10/14/2008 by maria_stardust]

This is definitely something that is going to bite society in the ass.
On the other hand kids acting "cool" seeking their special kodak moments for laughs and giggles, outperforming in "coolness" the kids of other neighborhoods or schools or classes:

- Kiddie number1: "Hey guys/gals teh other class rained condom water balloons over the principal the other day, ain't that far out!!1!??
Tehy definitely got the lead with taht one! What can we possibly do to outperform them?"

- Kiddie number2: "Well do you know that freak teach we got in cooking class? She says she's actually marrying another like her, we should go and through some flowers to them lol"

Chorus: "Yeah duuuuuuuudes taht would be coolness"

To think that some "special" people are going to cash this as a "prize" of social status, should make our society look even more ridiculous than we already think it is.
When I mention "special" I mean, all their lights are on but nobody's home up in the top floor, if you know what I mean.

[edit on 14-10-2008 by spacebot]

Also, did the article refer to first-graders?
How old was that "teach"? Why first-graders were allowed to know which way she likes it under the sheets? Did she held an informative class for them to "let them know"? You get my meaning?

Can anyone actually spell pedophile on this one? (also)

For "cool" people that do not mind if there are gals starring in similar "shows" and not guys, first I am wary of their IQ levels and secondly they can imagine, (when they grow up eventually) their kids surrounded by closet pedos.
I mean wouldn't that be a kodak moment heh "cool" dudes?

[edit on 14-10-2008 by spacebot]

Ok first off, you must be out of your mind to post this. This is a humongous controversial issue all based around approving or disapproving somebody elses actions.

I personally don't see what the big deal is.

If the kids are raised with a mind set of acceptance, then won't they be raised to be more accepting to everything else such as race, gender, size, etc? It can't hurt.

Sure it might make the possibily of them thinking they could like the other sex, but just like statistics have shown before in the case of same sex parents,

Studies from 1981 to 1994, including 260 children reared by either heterosexual mothers or same-sex mothers after divorce, found no differences in intelligence, type or prevalence of psychiatric disorders, self-esteem, well-being, peer relationships, couple relationships, or parental stress.

"Some studies showed that single heterosexual parents' children have more difficulties than children who have parents of the same sex," Perrin says. "They did better in discipline, self-esteem, and had less psychosocial difficulties at home and at school."

Another study of 37 children of 27 divorced lesbian mothers and a similar number of children of heterosexual mothers found no differences in behavior, adjustment, gender identity, and peer relationships.

Your not straight because your mom's straight are you? No - your straight because you like the opposite sex - you can't change who you are.

So by saying this your declaring that it is possible to alter the sexual orientation of another human being. And if thats the case, then shouldn't they be taught to follow their feelings with something they can't help rather than repress it and cause emotional turmoil and damage, learning to not accept themselves?

I think it's great that people have actually agreed to let their children see the truth of the world and not make 'Gay' or 'lesbian' another one of those SHHSSHH shush words that they tell their kids not to repeat out in public.

Hiding what they will eventually see can only add to the short trauma as to which they'll go thru - and at an early age - it can only cause peace in the long run.

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