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"…Until recently, China's nuclear weapons designs were a generation behind those of the United States, largely because Beijing was unable to produce small warheads that could be launched from a single missile at multiple targets and form the backbone of a modern nuclear force. But by the mid-1990s, China had built and tested such small bombs, a breakthrough that officials say was accelerated by the theft of U.S. nuclear secrets from Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico…." (New York Times, Jeff Gerth, March 6, 1999)
Originally posted by TXMACHINEGUNDLR
Not very. They still go off the "more is better" approach. From the crap they are selling in Africa and other great places it is the same old wood and sheet metal that they have been pumping out for 60 years. Optics are their real problem. Quality and Chinese are two words that never seem to go togeather. Tanks, planes, subs, spaceships.....They are about 50 years behind the US in technology. They would have never gotten to space without stealing tech from us and Russia....Mostly Russia.
Originally posted by TheRooster
I think the key is to have more ammo than they have people. If it was not for Clinton selling this country out to the Chicom's, they'd be throwing stones at us.
"…Until recently, China's nuclear weapons designs were a generation behind those of the United States, largely because Beijing was unable to produce small warheads that could be launched from a single missile at multiple targets and form the backbone of a modern nuclear force. But by the mid-1990s, China had built and tested such small bombs, a breakthrough that officials say was accelerated by the theft of U.S. nuclear secrets from Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico…." (New York Times, Jeff Gerth, March 6, 1999)
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Originally posted by rogue1
They are rapidly downsizing and modersnizing their military.
Originally posted by rogue1
US domination of the pacific and Asia is rapidly coming to an end.
Originally posted by rogue1
We have all read (this that are informed) about a Chinese SSK surfacing 10km's behind a US carrier completely undetected.
Originally posted by rogue1
If it was war time that carrier would have been sunk and probably a few of the escorting ships.
Originally posted by rogue1
So yah in any fullscale war, China could hold its own against the US near its borders and especially if the US tried to intervene over Taiwan.
Originally posted by rogue1
Which is why the rhetoric over Taiwan is toned down these days.
Originally posted by rogue1
The US militry knows they would get a mauling from whcih they probably couldn't recover.
Originally posted by WestPoint23
And we're not? We have experience, training, technological, infrastructural, logistical, monetary advantages etc... over the Chinese anywhere from ten years to a couple of decades.
And those that are really informed would never tell you or me about the very specific (read relevant) information and circumstances about that and similar like incidents. Information which if not factoring into a detailed war scenario could nullify the dramatic extrapolations you've made.
If it was war time Chinese naval bases would have been devastated, their posts mined/patrolled and their command and control capabilities reduced.
The carrier would be under wartime readiness and the precautions, planning and systems involved vastly different from what they were at that time. Even if the Chinese sunk a few carriers, a reasonable trade for the destruction of mainland China.
Originally posted by rogue1
Not without attacking US bases/territory in the area and destroying vital (see unacceptable losses) US assets, both in theater and globally. You can see how such a scenario would spiral out of control and could lead to events no one wants.
Originally posted by rogue1
Actions speak louder than words. US support for Taiwan in terms of armament and technology is still strong.
Originally posted by rogue1
Unless China goes nuclear they cannot destroy out of theater US military capability and forces conventionally. The same counter argument cannot be made for the Chinese. Mauling? Perhaps. But it will be far less destructive than what happens to China.
Originally posted by rogue1
I was replying to stated that China relies on mass to win wars, thta simply is not correct today.
Originally posted by rogue1
The fact that almost every time the US NAvy has conducted exercises with friendly SSK's...
Originally posted by rogue1
I doubt very few American plains would survive the SAM defences on China's coast.
Originally posted by rogue1
Cruise missiles? You barely had enough to take on Iraq let alone China...
Originally posted by rogue1
...and of course any platform lauching cruise missiles will be in range of chinese missiles.
Originally posted by rogue1
The Chinese ballistic missile carrier killer is a particularly interesting.
Originally posted by rogue1
Again, America couldn't possibly devastate China with conventional weapons alone.
Originally posted by rogue1
The American Pacific Fleet would in turn be devasted as well as much of the Air Force.
Originally posted by rogue1
Well you seem to imply that the US can attack the Chinese mailand with impunity. If there were a fullscale war then the US bases in the Pacific would of course be attacked.
Originally posted by rogue1
I doubt it would go nuclear unless the mainland US was attacked with mass casualties.
Originally posted by rogue1
Actually these days more Taiwanese embrace China and reject America.
Originally posted by rogue1
To attack China in a major war would require the bulk of US forces to be in theater which means a large portion of them would be destroyed.
Originally posted by rogue1
It is interesting of course to see how the USAF would manage against China, I doubt many planes would be coming back.
Originally posted by rogue1
China's SAM's are too numerous and advanced and of course AWACS couldn't take part they would be shot down hundreds of miles out.
Originally posted by Harelquin
i wouldn`t like to be the CBG commander going near that lot
Originally posted by Foppezao
Not so long ago we had a topic about Chinese chips/semiconductors in US weapon systems [mainly cruise missiles], as a Trojan Horse..Americans have re-engineered the weapon systems and found out the chips had "intentional malfunctions"
www.businessweek.com... ies
think about the possibilities, this Chinese arent dumb people lacking 50 years behind, they have invented coal dust when America was yet to be born..Funny how you still talk about CHina, you're totally broke and they pay your debts.. as if you can pay any war in the future..
believe me the Chinese are going to put the first men on mars and beyond..
[edit on 13-10-2008 by Foppezao]