Live Covergae of Bailout Debate on sky News

Arggh! My ears!

Is my computer going nuts?

reply to post by DirtyHarry


To answer you question about Canad'as Debt compared to American debt, here are the numbers for the Canadian national debt as of March 07 (could not find anything earlier, I'll have to look harder)

Natinal debt is 508 billion, down 6 billion for 2006, an interesting thing i see here, Our debt has been in a steady decline since 2007, i was not fully aware of that. Now you need to take into effect our population to that of yours though.

so on a per capita basis our national debt is 15 458, I'm not to sure what the amercan debt is per capita, i know you debt is somehwere around 9 trillion right now? (not sure if that is correct), but im not sure what that is per capita, ill go do some more research and get back to you.





Plus one thing to consider is the US debt is super inflated because of the two wars it's fighting. that doesn help things much. but thats none of my buissness in some aspects.

reply to post by Trayen11


I'm sure that every country has alot of people that think and feel the same way about the US. But you cant really blame them. Everybody is opinionated, and think that what they feel is right. That is why there will NEVER be world peace, individualism is a virus.

Now I love my country, there are alot of advantages here. Do I believe that the US is the greatest country on Earth? Well, depends on what you're looking at. There are plenty of countries out there that are better than the US at some things, and plenty that are worse than the US on some things.

There is alot going on that I cant say for sure why they happened, or how we are even going through it. The stupidity...it makes me want to be in politics. I get so angered at how fundamentally flawed our representatives, senators, cabinet, and president, hell the whole govt has become. It makes me ask myself what the real goal of all of this is. What do they have to gain in Iraq? Why arent we in Darfur, taking care of the genocide? Why did we go to Columbia and attack the drug cartels back in the 70's so easily, but hesitate to help the people in Darfur?

Greed, interests, and views really do slow or stop prosperity. Worry about yourself, even when you know that there is somone/something behind you to keep you from falling....you cant even risk it to throw a hand over the railing to help somebody else up. Individualism...its a virus.

Here we go I got some number for the armerican debt per capita....

As of September 2008, the total U.S. federal debt was approximately $9.7 trillion[13], about $31,700 per capita. Including unfunded Medicaid, Social Security, Medicare, and similar promised obligations, the government liabilities rises to a total of $59.1 trillion, or $516,348 per household.


so yeah when comparing the two

Canada 15 485 per capita
America 31 700 percapita

you can see that your out weight us 2 to 1......

but not so bad if you just looked at the actualy numbers of

Canada 508 billion
America 9.7 trillion


I have noticed that people jump a bit when they look at a countried national debt but they dont take into effect population size.

People look at America 9.7 trillion to Canada's 508 billion and they say.....HOLY SH*T.

but in reality it's not as bad as it looks at first glance...not to say that it's still not worrysome :p

Originally posted by Trayen11
reply to post by DirtyHarry

 

Plus one thing to consider is the US debt is super inflated because of the two wars it's fighting. that doesn help things much. but thats none of my buissness in some aspects.

not to mention all the money that the federal bank has poured into the system...

Can anyone confirm that the sound is gone on the live feed please? SkyNews that is.

edit: nvm, foxnews has it.

[edit on 3-10-2008 by dodgygeeza]

The passing of this bill is halfway there. They needed 12 votes on Monday, 6 representatives who voted NO on Monday have already said that they will vote yes today.

Now, how to secede from the nation....

Edit to fix spelling error

[edit on 10/3/08 by redhatty]

reply to post by DirtyHarry


I have to agree that i do feel ashamed at the worlds view of "Screw you as long as i get mine" mentality, I mean is the world's people so different that we cant come to a common ground?

If i see someone that needs help im going to help them. Hell just the other day while waiting at a stop light some idiot teenager in a supped up dodge ramed this poor mother in her minivan....upon looking at the crash my wife and i got out of the car to help and what did i see.....the teenager laughing at the whole experince and people driving by and pointing.

Did anybody stop to help, did they consider that she have had a newborn in the car. NOPE, they just kept on driving, I calmed the woman down and called 911 for her, her baby was taken to hospital for cautionary reasons, and the woman thanked me, she wa sin tears with joy at the thought of someone helping. and afterall it's just the right thing to do...what is so hard about extending a hand in help...it really is not that hard. if only the world governments could stop thier bickering and try it on a global scale.

check out this article, ya just gotta love it.

Dominic Lawson: Democrat fingerprints are all over the financial crisis Neither of these two institutions is blameless – far from it. Yet when I see such senior Democrats as Barney Frank, Chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, and Christopher Dodd, Chairman of the Senate's Banking Committee, play the part of avenging angels – well, I can only stand in silent awe at the sheer tight-bottomed nerve of it.

These are men with sphincters of steel.

www.independent.co.uk...

reply to post by Trayen11


Yeah, its always like that with people. Its Screw You Guys until they actually need help. Some people cant see past their own noses, which is why I think our govt has become so corrupt. Our officials are more worried about their own seats than worried about what people think about the bailout plan. They say that its for the best interest of the country, but for some reason when they say that it feels empty. Is it best for the country in a People aspect, or in a Govt aspect? Its all opened ended, and its really annoying at how much words are played with. The entire country is emotional, and they're using that to their advantage.

BTW, how is the debate going?

reply to post by DirtyHarry


If i have counted correctly 6 people who voted no last time have switched thier voted and will be voting yes this time around, so it looks like the bill is going to pass. Paulson will get his blank cheque and bail out all his buddies and the American people will be left foooting the bill

reply to post by Trayen11


Great, now I have the businesses that have been cheating me on my shoulders...first they were putting a foot in my @ss and now they're getting a piggy back ride for it...capitolist democracy, its the best govt in the world. spoken from the mouth of the sleaziest and worst president in american history, George "Dubyah" Bush

Edit for ? How much longer till they vote?

[edit on 10/01/2008 by DirtyHarry]

reply to post by Trayen11


Unfortunately it just went up to 8, still 4 short unless some are not speaking up and changing their vote.

I KNOW they won't put it to the vote until they KNOW they have all the votes they need to pass this

edit to update the change in vote just announcced

[edit on 10/3/08 by redhatty]

[edit on 10/3/08 by redhatty]

Vote in progress now

100 yay to 38 nay as I type

reply to post by redhatty


It's over, too many got greased. Don't even need to see the final vote. Watch them pass it by just a few

reply to post by redhatty


Geez i hope it doesnt pass....

But i have a feeling that it will




Just give the final tally, I cant take any suspense on this one

[edit on 10/01/2008 by DirtyHarry]

It's as good as done, goodbye former America.

A sad day in American History.

yeah they have it now, they are saying Bush will probably sign the bill tonight.

[edit on 10/3/0808 by Trayen11]

The American People have been sold out to foreign investors. Our government is guilty of treason.

240 Ayes at leaast