Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 (FULL TEXT)

reply to post by Open_Minded Skeptic


here is what I have

HOUSE LEADERSHIP INVOKES “MARTIAL LAW,” FORCING MEMBERS TO VOTE ON KEY BILLS WITHOUT FULL KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT THEY ARE VOTING ON: MOVE REPRESENTS EROSION OF THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESSStatement by Robert Greenstein
Executive Director, Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

The House Republican Leadership has announced its intention to have the House vote, before adjourning on Friday or Saturday, on several major pieces of legislation that are not yet available to House members in final form because behind-closed-door negotiations on the proposals are still going on. The Leadership apparently intends to use a process known as “martial law” to allow these bills to be brought to the floor very shortly after negotiations are completed, with the result that Members of the House are likely to have virtually no time to examine and consider the details of the legislation before they will be required to vote on it.

[link to www.cbpp.org...]

This is important, but not for the reason's you are thinking. It means that the leaders are being rushed to vote on a bill that they essentially don't know anything about. (But, it has nothing to do with what you would consider "martial law" as far as a lockdown for citizens, etc.)

I just got off the phone with Mitch McConnell's office. I told the girl who answered,

Mitch McConnell represents me as a Kentuckian, I want to voice my opposition to the bailout bill.

After a few seconds of dead silence, she responded, OKAY?

I asked her to pass this message on, she said she would. I asked if the office was keeping tally of the calls pro and con, she said yes they were. I asked who was winning(ha, not us the american citizens!!) and she claimed it was pretty much EVEN right now!

I called Jim Bunnings office, and basically repeated my stance, and added that I urge Sen. Bunning to vote no against it. The lady took my name and address, and I thanked her for her time.

Altogether, a cumulative minute of my life.

Anyone who get s a break at work, a smoke break, or a minute of free time, CALL Your representatives!!! They are keeping track! Make your voice known!

If you want to call McCain or Obama and voice your concern, I have made it easy for you. Anyone who else who calls, POST the number, so others from your area can call too. No excuses!

Barack Obama (202) 224-2854

John McCain 202-224-2235

Kentucky specific:

MITCH MCCONNELL (202) 224-2541

JIM BUNNING, KY SENATOR 202.224.4343

Bunnings page has his floor speech, he seems to oppose the bill.

Originally posted by massexodus
This thread should take up the entire screen of the ATS and board homepage. Who do we contact to get that done?

Pelosi was just on Cspan selling this thing as if this bill is the best we can do. Did I really see what I just saw?

Everybody who pointed out the fatal flaws in this hidden in plain sight bill should mail these findings to Jack Cafferty at CNN. He reads emails aloud during the Situation Room w Wolf Blitzer. I didn't hear a word from Pelosi on the rape by the insiders still present here.

www.cnn.com...

It most likely won't be relevant to his hourly question, but I think this could take over attention. We need somebody other than the keep it quiet Congress to talk about this out loud, where millions will be watching/listening.

Not only is this bill tantomount to taking a dump on and them burning the constitution (standard practice anymore it seems), it is also done in the face of vehement opposition by the vast majority of the electorate. Go to congress.org and see for yourself the vast majority of letters being sent to members of congress are about this bailout and in opposition to it. What's more is the fact that by and large, the disaffection of the people as it relates to this bill has been silenced. Check out the video below; didn't see this on MSNBC, CNN, Fox News etc. Wall St. is virtually shut down by protests and not a peep by the MSM!



[edit on 29-9-2008 by BennyHill]

the bill, HR3997, is being Rationalized by many as the only alternative....
like a dose of castor oil which has a bitter taste but is generally accepted as a curative agent for illness.


so, if the bill passes, and turns out to still be a mechanism that the elite-bankers can manipulate to their benefit...
the Barney Frank 'compromise' stance can be waved in front of the angry (and intuitive) populace.


a bill to continue the rampant credit creation machine on which the bankster-corporation beast thrives...is not the remedy,
the remedy is to wean off the credit creation teat, become Savers instead of compulsive consumers. Become aware to 'see' the corporations still make exhorbanant profits even in lean-market times
(that alone makes it clear that you & I are being overcharged for Everything we buy)
...all the while we all have been corraled into the non-living wage paradigm where the 'help' of credit cards is needed for keeping ourselves at 'subsistance' levels in the quality of our lives.






~ Nader & Paul

Vote in progress now, about 10 minutes left

reply to post by hotbakedtater


I've been calling all morning... Obama's inbox is full (I wonder why?) and won't take any more messages... I have not been able to talk to a person yet.

StormDancer... thanks... that, the Speaker can do, I guess... those people seem to live by their very own rules. Which seem to be crumbling.

This bail out may be the best they can come up with, but:

1) I do not choose to invest in this. If they want a loan with full payback plus interest, we can talk. But I will not "invest", as they are pushing, with the related risk of loss.

2) To me, this seems somewhat like lancing a boil... if the economy goes, it will be really painful, but then we will have a chance to heal properly. If they just keep putting bandaids on the boil, it still hurts and will never heal.

Kind of ironic that nobody is buying this because nobody has any faith in Congress or the President any more... wonder why that is?

As of this post the vote is neck to neck. Senate will vote wednesday or thursday according to CNN, so there is still time to slam them with phone calls! Even if it squeaks by in the house, we still have time to voice our outrage.

It looks like the NAYS WON! Back to watching the coverage!

[edit on 29-9-2008 by hotbakedtater]

Loks like a no go in house vote. Oh well, back to drawing boardroom it seems.

reply to post by TH3ON3


I live pay check to pay check, and I think this scenario is much better then the bill they are trying to pass. If you believe in capitalism, and not socialism, then you should want failed banks to collapse. It's called a correction.

reply to post by hotbakedtater


thanks so much for posting the phone numbers. I also live in Kentucky, and I just called Bunning's office and spoke with the person answering the phone. I told him I wanted Bunning to know I opposed the bail out bill. He told me Bunning opposes it as well and that he will pass on my comments to him.

I just tried to call McConnell's office. The line was busy, but I will call back later. Thanks again for posting the phone numbers.

reply to post by Open_Minded Skeptic

I got the same message when I called Obama...that his mailbox is full. I then tried to call McCain and got the same message about a full mailbox. I guess it's time to go e-mail them.

Well we won the American people won for now, and coming from whom I though was all for this bill the Republicans.

IT DIDNT PASS!!!!!!!!!

Oh man Im finally pleased with the House. Cheers for not rushing this bill into law. We still have along way to go but we ATSers need to keep on top of this developing bill as it trys to get reworked.

[edit on 29-9-2008 by Alferd Packer]

When they create the next version of this bill please remember that:
* John McCain and Barack Obama are both SENATORS. They are part of the Senate, not the House of Representatives.
* As senators, they represent and vote for their constituents. If you're not in their district, it's not their job to vote for you.
* Your own senator and representative can be found online, in your local phone book, and in the booklets they send out every quarter letting you know what they voted on.
* Phone Obama and McCain all you want. And don't forget to phone your OWN senator and representative. THEY are the ones who will voting to represent the voice and will of the people in their district.

If a bill is in the HOUSE (House of Representatives) Call your representative. If a bill is in the SENATE call your senator. And way to go, all you proactive people! About time we started letting our legislative branch know what we want.

reply to post by Stormdancer777


Martial Law in this instance refers to committee rules. Basically it lets the house vote on the law without having to review it. Wonderful though huh? I started a thread about this over in General Conspiracies. I was wondering about it to..

These bunch of whining BABIES! These guys are all up there now whining about this being Pelosi's fault, or some such drivel... doesn't seem that complicated - FINALLY, the citizens of the US got their voice heard, that we don't want a bunch of our money to go to bail out a bunch of crooks that already have more money than most of us will see in our entire lives.

They could easily come up with something that the citizens would support, but it would cost their good buddies a ton of money, instead of us.

Freaking morons.

Note for clarity: Babies, morons, etc is targeted at Congress, not any member of this board. Unless a member of Congress is a member of this board...

On the conspiracy front - this might be part of the set up to allow Bush to declare national martial law due to the economy collapse and 'postpone' the election...

Props to Congress! They finally listened.

I feel like I accomplished something with all the phone calls and letters I've wrote in the past week!

I guess job security is one of the greatest motivators. When you have 92% of your constituents against a bill - it makes it really hard to vote for it.

We didn't win this war ... this was only a single battle. More of this political/financial rhetoric lies ahead. Much much more.

Continue to contact your representatives and let them know that you're glad it didn't pass and it shouldn't in the future either!

For those that want to know how your representative voted, here is the link:
clerk.house.gov...