40pc believe others don't belong in Australia - racism

Originally posted by Phazon
Just reading the comments here, I'm not surprised with that statistic. The truth is most Australians are just ignorant racists.

which comments in particular are 'ignorant'?

what i read is actually the opposite.

do you live in australia? have you visited australia?

IMO, the immigration policies in all of the industrialized nations have been by the globalists, for the globalists. They’re playing at social engineering, seeing what they can get away with while working toward the day when the whole world will be under one authority. In the meantime, they have their little experiments in the cities, seeing how they can play one race/culture against another for their own benefit. It seems to me that you don’t need to import whole communities in order to get new skills and knowledge into a society, you need only import teachers and give citizens an incentive to learn from them.

Don’t forget folks, it’s divide and conquer, and it’s difficult to divide a homogenous society.

reply to post by Phazon



then you obviously didnt bother reading any of the replies.

why lie?

This is a really interesting subject and good on the poster for bringing it up as I think more and more people find themselves living in multicutural areas in many cities in the world.
Racism is a real hot potato nowadays and everybody has anecdotes and personal experiences ,good and bad.
Personally,my experience has taught me that racism is'nt just peculiar to white people.It seems to be pretty universal but I get the impression white people are speaking their minds now and are less afraid of the spectre of 'Un-PCness',which is good as we can explore issues and why people feel the way they do as opposed to feeding into extremeism as the only place to vent.
Also,it's important to remember people are individuals and people can and do change eg,I knew someone from the East End of London who used to beat up Pakastanis when they first arrived here from Uganda .Yet when I met him he was a revolutionary socialist and therefore Anti-Nazi.

A real heartening community project I saw on a local news report way back was a multi -racial womens cookery project where women bonded and taught each other how to cook their way.It worked and did alot for social cohesion in that area.

Why can't we all just get along?Alot of reasons.Intolerence is one.I remember seeing news reports of the 'Wog Bashing Day' in Oz.Thousands of people turned up to protest against ,among other things,harrasment and rape of young women on the local beach by Muslim youths who were tried in court and reportedly jeered at the defendant.Not defending the actions of the 'wog Basher'protesters but you can understand their anger.

But does these incidents give us hard evidence that all Aussies are racists and all Muslim youths share the views of the youg men brought to justice mentioned above?I don't think so.Like I said we are all individuals and we can change for the better.

reply to post by candyfloss


exactly....
regardless if these youths were aussies, indians or iranians..... there would have still been a rally because of the unimaginable things they did to the poor girl. btw....i would have called them worse then WOGS!!
(btw...i'm a wog myself and been called it many a time. care factor O)


i think australia experiances ethnic discrimination rather than racial because of the influx of immigrants over the past few years. my generation (in melbourne) saw turkish, chinese and of late africans arrive in droves. first it was 'look how much trouble the turks cause', then it was 'look how much trouble the chinese cause', .....you get the drift.

people dont like change period and when your home, so to speak, has unexpected visitors, you get defensive and annoyed alittle, no?
this is whats happening, of course on a larger scale, and until we become more tolerant and taught how to accept 'change' of any kind....we will remain as we are.

reply to post by enlighten2012


Yes,it's like that in Britain too.I think people are resentful cos they feel like all this has been foisted upon them'I did'nt vote for this'.When you add dumb political policies into the mix there's bound to be trouble. Weneed more communication all round I think.

Originally posted by Phazon
Just reading the comments here, I'm not surprised with that statistic. The truth is most Australians are just ignorant racists.

That is the sense I get too. Considering they waited until 1967 to declare that Aborigines were actually people... I guess in 1966 they hadn't figured that out yet. What about those original Australians? Did they receive the common courtesy of the immigrants adopting their ways? Did they even get a single treaty? Why do many posts here state plainly that non-whites are basically criminals, and whites are not?
It is my view that the 40% of those polled ARE virtually all whites, and the only reason that number isn't higher is that some non-whites were polled.
Shame on you bigots who think you are somehow better than other ethnicities. You are not. Learn to love. If they don't love you back, is that any reason to reply in kind?
Love alone can diminish hate, and racism is hate, which in reality is just a mask for fear.
Grab a pair, for pity sake.

Rights, Reconciliation, Respect and Responsibility -
www.news.com.au...

Instead of preaching this to Australians ,why not make this module a must read as part of migration conditions.
Then we could all live happily ever after.

Australia would be NOTHING today if it wasn't for all the imigrants. And imigration is still needed. I don't think the "dumb aussie syndrome" could cope with modern developements. Just go down the local pub. There sits that 40pc. Drink beer, smoke pot and gamble.

Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII

Why do many posts here state plainly that non-whites are basically criminals, and whites are not?

Why? Because going by the statistics it is the truth. There is nothing bigoted or racist or made up about it. Those living here know that and it is why that is stated in most posts.

Vietnamese, Middle Eastern and in recent times African immigrants are major players in crime here and you see it on the news all the time. This is also backed up in the yearly police crime stats.

Heres some examples I just found albeit not very current they represent what most of us here have grown up with.





As you can see on the graphs the top 3 ethnic groups that have been most active in crime over that time frame are Vietnamese, Lebanese & Turkish immigrants.

The following is some data from the Australian Institute of Crime -
www.aic.gov.au...

Australian Evidence
• Arrest/offenders processed statistics from Victoria for the five year period
1993-94 to 1997-98 display the following patterns:
The overall arrest rate of alleged offenders from no migrant group display a
consistently rising trend over the five year period. However, alleged
offenders born in the Russian Federation, Romania, Vietnam, Former
Yugoslavia, New Zealand, Turkey, and Lebanon were processed at a higher
rate than the Australian-born in each of the five years. The 1997-98
statistics produce high alleged offender rates for those born in Somalia,
Uruguay, and Thailand.

Among all the groups listed in the Victorian statistics, the highest proportion
of alleged offenders processed for violent offences were the Fijian-born.
More than a third of alleged offenders born in Cambodia and Vietnam was
processed for drug offences in 1997-98, about a quarter of the alleged
offenders born in Indonesia and Thailand was also processed for drug
offences.

Since 1994-95 alleged and distinct offenders born in Vietnam were the largest overseas-born group processed by Victoria Police.

Would any of you who DONT live in Australia like some more evidence???

www.theage.com.au...

Recent gang rape attacks in Sydney focused attention on Muslim and Lebanese Australian groups when evidence was presented in court that one woman was referred to as an "Aussie pig" and was told she would be sexually assaulted "Leb style".

www.news.com.au...

PEOPLE born overseas committed one in seven of crimes in Victoria last financial year, including a quarter of rapes and one in five murders.

The anatomy of crime in Victoria, obtained by the Sunday Herald Sun, shows those born in Somalia, Lebanon and New Zealand had the highest crime-per-population rates in Victoria.

They are followed by Turkish, Vietnamese and then Australian-born criminals.

One in 20 Lebanon-born Victorians were offenders compared with one in 31 born in Australia.

The revelations have sparked calls from crime victims for tougher deportation and screening of immigrants.

I think that explains alot. But before you Yanks start criticisizing the opinions of Australians that DO live here in Australia from across the Pacific, I'd be more concerned about whats in my own backyard than looking over the fence and commenting on someone elses.....You Americans arent quite the example for the rest of the world to follow when it comes to racism, crime, and segregation.

reply to post by Melbourne_Militia


This is a reply to the drug issue.
I am not saying these charts are wrong. But you have to take into consideration who these cops are targeting. I know for a fact they protect their own while seizing from the others. And guess how that stuff gets sold back on to the streets and who makes the big bucks. As australian drug dealer or cop, I would be pissed off too when all those foreigners take away profits sending it overseas.
So you realy need to learn how to read charts. As with any statistics, there is always a fair amount of info to be considered.

Originally posted by Melbourne_Militia

Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII

Why do many posts here state plainly that non-whites are basically criminals, and whites are not?

Why? Because going by the statistics it is the truth. There is nothing bigoted or racist or made up about it. Those living here know that and it is why that is stated in most posts.

Vietnamese, Middle Eastern and in recent times African immigrants are major players in crime here and you see it on the news all the time. This is also backed up in the yearly police crime stats.

There are more factors to consider than just those stats, MM, besides, I also consider what reason you have for focusing on this single issue when your nation has so many other challenges such as your continued mistreatment of the indigenous peoples. Do you ever look into the well known phenomenon of judicial discrimination towards minorities, which is definitely a factor influencing those charts' results. Numerous other factors also impact those results, such as economic disparity, social biases, and historical exclusivist and elitist policies, for a start. Today, in many ethnic groups, there exists a sizable population of mistreated people who are unable or unwilling to just forgive and forget, they want some reparations, compensation, or even punitive damages to be paid for the abuses they have suffered unjustly solely because of their ethnicity. If you feel that Australia is not ethnically biased, tell me why it took until 1967 for Aborigines to be declared persons by your government? Also, do you know what your country considered them to be prior to that point?

Prior to that point Australia considered them ferals.....and alot of them are!

Not all of them, but if you saw how they behave, how lawless they are, the crimes they commit in their communities..... you'll understand.

Not long ago on the news there were reports of family members raping nices and nephews who were very very young.....this is not the actions of civilised people, I dont care what anyone may say!

Our government gives them alot, way more than they deserve and more than they'll ever appreciate. They get housing for free, they get medical care, they get social services, hell, they even get new landcruisers from the government....and what do they do.....?????

They Trash, smash and burn everything.....and thats not because of the alcohol, this is happening in "Dry Zones", where is prohibited to even bring in any alcohol.

Those that say, we should leave them alone....yeah, in many cases we have, thats why they have turned so feral....now with Government intervention they are trying to stop these aboriginal communities destroying themselves.

More complicated than you may think.

Originally posted by Melbourne_Militia
Prior to that point Australia considered them ferals.....and alot of them are!

Not all of them, but if you saw how they behave, how lawless they are, the crimes they commit in their communities..... you'll understand.
More complicated than you may think.

I understand quite well, thank you. Canada has created similar conditions.
You do not seem to see any link between the systematic genocide and plundering committed against them and their current sorrow.

I have no problem with migrants coming to Australia, (I’m actually one myself). What I hate is when they don’t make an effort to integrate or just stay with their own kind.

Today I was in my bank, I asked a simple question about my credit card but the woman could not understand me at all, her English was terrible, I ended up just walking out.

Or the fact that when we were looking for an apartment most of the real estate agents were Asian and would only rent to Asians, you would go in and ask about the rentals in the window and they would reply with “no rentals, no rentals” then an Asian couple would come in behind us, as the same question and be shown the apartment.

And I’m getting sick of people who don’t speak English getting moody or angry at me because I can’t understand them!

When I move to France, I will have to speak French, it would be rude and ignorant for me to go there and expect them to speak English!

Anyone can come here, but you shouldn’t even get your foot in the door unless you can speak the language – even the citizenship test booklet is available in every other language, it should ONLY be available in English, if you can’t understand or read the citizenship booklet in English then you should not even be considering citizenship!

Mikey


[edit on 30/10/2008 by Mikey84]

Originally posted by Mikey84
I have no problem with migrants coming to Australia, (I’m actually one myself). What I hate is when they don’t make an effort to integrate or just stay with their own kind.

Mikey

[edit on 30/10/2008 by Mikey84]

Exactly what Im saying....Im a migrant myself....Ive assimilated and I reckon Im more australian in many ways than those born here......

but like you said, as long as you assimilate, and live by your new homelands rules, way if life, speak its language, I got no problem, if you cant abide by that go back home!

Multicultural societies don't work, being a Dutchman I know.
It's time people start to understand so instead of trying to make things look better than they really are.

Geez, heh - that's pretty #ty..

Where the hell has the TOLERANCE and EFFORT gone??

I personally embrace foreigners.

Maybe not always literally but certainly on an emotional, neighbourly level..
I'm from Queensland.
And we definitely receive our fair share of tourists and immigrants.

Originally posted by Phazon
Just reading the comments here, I'm not surprised with that statistic. The truth is most Australians are just ignorant racists.

Well you know where you can go dont you....

If mods werent patroling the threads I would have a lot more to say to you...you're the one who is ignorant, basing an opinion on comments of a couple, of the 20 million strong population we have

My opinion is that immigration is fine, on a couple of conditions

1. They integrate into society, as well as still being allowed to practice their own religious beliefs

2. They learn the language (we speak english phazon...wouldnt expect someone as ignorant as yourself to know that)

3. They want to try for citizenship

4. They respect the Australian way of life

Originally posted by Phazon
Just reading the comments here, I'm not surprised with that statistic. The truth is most Australians are just ignorant racists.

So you'd be perfectly willing to provide solid EVIDENCE that this is the truth, yes??

Where do you get off?