Can anyone define what God is?

No. To define God you would have to BE God.

But as far as human definitions go, I'll give it a whack:

God is that being who exists as inventor, creator, sustainer, and governor of the entire universe and all its dimensions, who exists as omnipresent, omnipotent, and omniscient - both within the universe and outside the universe, transcending it, and is not subject to its laws, having created it all, including all mathematics, physical laws, and multiple dimensions, from nothing.

Originally posted by dave420
reply to post by The Matrix Traveller

 

I don't need god. I have a very strict set of moral rules that I figured out. I'm happy knowing there was nothing before this life and nothing afterwards. I don't need the promise of candy and all my dead pets waiting for me on some cloud to be a good person.

If everything around me is all that there is, I'd be satisfied. But then I appreciate logic and don't assume I know everything, unlike some people in this thread

Why on earth are primates so defensive sounds a bit like insecurity Dave.
Look I have never told yo to adopt to my way of thinking you have always been free and I hope you will stay this way.

I can only tell you what I have experienced and nothing else.

This thread was never intended to be a boxing ring so why do you come to argue or fight?

This thread is for the sharing of experiences and hour honest thoughts.

Many Primates only know how to fight and kill their own species, in their own fear and insecurity in denial of The Life Force, or as I call It THE Perfect Mind...

So good Luck when you die and have some courage to face it, when it arrives soon. We all pass through Death Sooner or later don't we Dave. But where The End is There The Beginning is also...

So what will your beginning be Dave?

May the Force be with you!



[edit on 23-10-2008 by The Matrix Traveller]

Originally posted by OuttaHere
No. To define God you would have to BE God.

But as far as human definitions go, I'll give it a whack:

God is that being who exists as inventor, creator, sustainer, and governor of the entire universe and all its dimensions, who exists as omnipresent, omnipotent, and omniscient - both within the universe and outside the universe, transcending it, and is not subject to its laws, having created it all, including all mathematics, physical laws, and multiple dimensions, from nothing.

No Truer Words Spoken

Welcome OuttaHere

I Love the Sound of Truth Vibrating my Foundation.


I know We all feel the Truth in ourselves and All will come to accept it in the End...

Truth Wins Every Time!

reply to post by Myrtales Instinct


I will send you a U2U as to tell you all, but you will require Geometric Drawings with a supporting letter to explain.

I wish I could upload my drawings but for some reason I am having some difficulties which I am still looking at....

So I must apologise to everyone for my inadequacies but I can still send these via email to you.

Thought this might interest you.

God is the mathematical formula which runs our universe.Nothing escapes it....

You,my G~d,are the physics of the universe,the law of all matters,the past and the future of time....

You,my G~d,are the physics of the universe,the DNA of space,the fulfillment of time....

You can be measured with only natural signs and numbers....

www.alexchiu.com...

Matrix ...I need to know something ...(since I have seen your drawings and read your email about Ezek. ) ...very hard stuff for me to understand (thats why I have not got back to you yet ..I am still pondering it ...


Are you aware that Channelors are channeling drawings like yours to those who will receive them ?
Do you get into the New Age Channelings any ?
Today I was reading more about the Earth Charter stuff ..the NWO UN style and it took me to alot of those Federation Light stuff links..12 Ascended masters channelings and stuff.....and Mythria ....and drawings alot like yours .....



As far as who is God ...one thing I know for sure after reading this site for a few years now and listening to everyone on here ... is what he is not ....he is not you or you or you or you or me ..we are all way too messed up and confused ..and imperfect ...and cannot even solve the simple problems in our world or our own lives ...and we do not even have a clue as to who we are..or what we are doing here or why we are here ...so the WE ARE gods theory I have completely RULED OUT as even a slight possibility ....
Thanks ATSers at least for helping me to rule that out completely once and for all in my mind at least ...

reply to post by jakyll


hi jakyll,

good to hear from you again.

have read the Link you provided.

hmmmmm Matrix again....

Old Chinese when I asked, "Do you recognise these pictures. ( of The Matrix Formats )" they laughed and of then acknowledged me saying it is Bagwa!... LOL..

Many Old Chinese people still see The Matrix today and its Content...

But unfortunately this young generation, is lacking the knowledge and Understanding, as I found when I was in China.

My wife was an editor of a large Chinese newspaper and is writing on this subject and other associated subjects for the Chinese people.

The Matrix in China has been know for about 5,000 years or perhaps even longer.

The Buildings and streets are full of murals in mosaic tiles from the Matrix..

Yes I do know Yi jing ! but I am Not what I would call an expert....LOL..

Yi jing is often used in the medical profession in China.

In fact I had many discussions, with the medical profession while I was in China.

Yi jing comes from The Matrix, but it is Not complete, there is a third state that has yet to be discovered.

The hexagram consists of two components, Yin and Yang, but there is another component, and this will emerge soon.

This format (Yi jing) is found in both registers of The Matrix "IC" and "XC".

The so called Symbol of the Fish in Yi jing, can also be found in the Christian version, which is Not a fish, but a whale.

The so called fish in yi jing ore should I say a Double Whale, is actually a "rotor" from the Matrix Computer Interface used in the circular formats of The Matrix.

In the Optical Interface yi jing is often found as a language, but appears in colour coded form as well.

A huge amount of R&D is going on in China today, regarding Yi jing (I ching) and The Matrix. This is why I was involved with discussions and lectures in China.

I shall be returning to China, for further discussions in Beijing, regarding the Optical Interfaces we have been researching and operating.

Yes Yi ling is correct and yes the new technology that is mentioned, that is of new Knowledge shall be a part of bringing peace, this is what I am involved with in a small way.

This technology is Not of human origin, but rather has been Inspired by The True Mind and Introduced by The Man Child of The Soul.

The Program of the Earth, is a very special program, and its sole purpose, is to bring about the birth, of the Man Child within the Soul.

No matter what people believe, or don't believe, this is a fact and even I can Not change this Fact, that the the Program of Earth, is used to bring about The Birth of The Man Child, in The Soul.

This takes place through a 7,000 year (approximately)

Right now The Next period of 1,000 years (approximately) is about to begin.

Major changes are about to take place..

Environmentally, Socially, Scientifically, and new Technologies will surface.

The next few years, maybe 100 years, will be difficult for many, but like any birth as you know, is Not without some degree of anxiety and pain.

Huge changes take place every 1,000 years..

The last change brought about, what is known as the "Dark Ages".

There is a lack of recorded history, of this time and huge environmental upheavals occurred, where whole Cities, became victims to jungle growth etc. which have been discovered today, and no one really knows what happened.

History shows that very strange changes, have occurred from time to time, but the fearful always look for an explanation, that is within their restricted abilities.

But we shall get through these times coming and this age to come (1,000 years) will be totally different than what we know of now.

War shall cease, technology shall change and humankind shall be introduced to a Universe, they Don't know but thought they knew and peace shall come as The Son of Man has already returned, but no one recognises it yet.

Over the next few years this shall be understood, as The Son of Man is Not a Human, but is The Man Child, that has been Born in Every Soul.

The Man Child is A Lattice Work of Light!

The Life of God is The Light of Man.

See in the Book of John in the Roman group of Hebrew and Greek texts called the bible.

A' Dam (Adam) is The Flesh.
Man is The Soul.

The Name Man was stolen by the Primates, A' Dam and they declared themselves to me Man.

But Primates are Not Man they are of A' Dam.

In Zionic the Name for A' Dam is... 3 "6 pointed Stars" and what looks like an hour glass that is Formed from 2 Sigma.

A' Dam is the House of 6 3 6....

One Alpha "6 Pointed Star", One Delta "6 Pointed Star", One Alpha "6 Pointed Star", and One "Double Sigma".

The "Double Sigma" means The House...

The Number of Cain contains 6 6 6 Born of The Wicked One.

The 6 6 6 is the numeral expression of "Double Logic" or "Confusion" which is found in the DNA Structure with regard to its processing.

This is why Illness, Death and other abnormalities today

The Wicked One came with 200 other beings, as reported in The Books Of E'Noch and took the daughters, of So called Humankind incorrectly called Man by primates and breed Children.

Because of their genetic mismatches, within the interbreeding, these Children became Giants.

These Ones also Polluted all the other Genetics of plants fishes and birds with their corrupt science producing other species and all ended up with the old 6 6 6 System in their Genetic Structures.

Often today this is mistaken for evolution, but that is not to say nothing evolves...

reply to post by Myrtales Instinct


Hi Myrtales Instinct,

I got your U2U but I noticed you didn't leave an email address.
Can you please forward an address through U2U to me so I can forward the information to you which asked about.

Looking forward to hearing from you again.

reply to post by Simplynoone


Hi Simplynoone,

you wrote quote:-

As far as who is God ...one thing I know for sure after reading this site for a few years now and listening to everyone on here ... is what he is not ....he is not you or you or you or you or me ..we are all way too messed up and confused ..and imperfect ...and cannot even solve the simple problems in our world or our own lives ...and we do not even have a clue as to who we are..or what we are doing here or why we are here ...so the WE ARE gods theory I have completely RULED OUT as even a slight possibility ....



Can you please read in your bible...

The Acts chapter 17 verse 28 and 29...

28. "for in Him we Live and move and have our being,
as also some of your own poets have said,
'for we are also His offspring.'

29. "therefore, since we are the offspring of God,
we ought not to think that the Divine Nature
is like gold or silver or stone,
something shaped by art or man's devising.



So you can see we are not talking about a primate but rather the Soul
That is formed from Light and is a Part of God being the Offspring of God.

Horses do not give birth to swans nor do cats give birth fish.

So God gives Birth to that of God. So if we are the off spring of God being his Children then we are God. But I refer to the Soul and Not the Holograph you call the Primate (or what is called humankind today)

Man is the Name given to the Soul hence the Son of Man....

Man is Not the Primate falsely named today, but the primate is correctly called A'Dam or the Dammed one.

hope this clears up a few things.

The writings have been corrupted in the bible by the Scribes and Pharisees...

Jesus said "Woe unto You Scribes and Pharisees and hypocrites... "

Jesus also said "The Scribes and Pharisees have taken the keys of Knowledge and hidden them.. They themselves have NOT entered, nor have they allowed to enter those who wish to.
You, however, be as wise as serpents and as innocent as doves."

god is the sum of all consciousness.

it is not something unknowable. it is not a separate entity. it is certainly not those that the religious texts paint it out to be.

god is inside us all.

if you are enlightened. You will understand that you are god, and i am god, and we are all taking to our selves. or more precislely. I am talking to my self.

and even more precisely. one is talking to ones self.

do you? or do I understand?

Originally posted by predisposed
god is the sum of all consciousness.

it is not something unknowable. it is not a separate entity. it is certainly not those that the religious texts paint it out to be.

god is inside us all.

if you are enlightened. You will understand that you are god, and i am god, and we are all taking to our selves. or more precislely. I am talking to my self.

and even more precisely. one is talking to ones self.

do you? or do I understand?

Now you can't get closer to the truth than what you have said....

You are 110% correct.....

You have found yourself..... and in doing so have found The Life of God.

I wonder if any one else can?

I hope there are others out there, that know This Truth or desire to Find the Truth.

Originally posted by The Matrix Traveller

Every Human "Primate" has his or her own belief what God is, but can anyone give me a common Identity of God.

I know we all say what God is, according to each of our own beliefs.

We all say God is the Creator of All things, But what actually is the Creator?

Through my Research I have come to a conclusion, but I would like to hear from others what their beliefs are, regarding what God is, and not what God has done.

Can anyone Identify God?

"WHAT" is God?
Well, first of all, God is not a "WHAT": God is a "HE". We are created to be in God's IMAGE and LIKENESS. HE created us to be like Him!!!
If you want to know God, simply study yourself and who you are, because you were made in God's IMAGE and LIKENESS.

YOU ARE NOT GOD!

There are major differences between God and humans: humans are not able to control their spiritual parts, but God can; humans are not able to view their spiritual parts, but God can; humans are not able to communicate with their spiritual parts, but God can. There are many other things God can do that we CANNOT YET DO! We do not have God's abilities, YET! One day God will change those humans who are His children to be able to be even more like Him!

You want to know God's IDENTITY?
Jesus is God's identity, AS A MAN. When you see Jesus you are looking at God. When you talk with Jesus you are talking to God. When you are thinking of God you are thinking of Jesus, because Jesus is God in the flesh. When you read of the things Jesus said and did you are seeing the things God said and did. Jesus and God are the one and same individual.

Jesus said that HE is the TRUTH, that HE is the WAY, and that HE is the LIFE!
NOTHING ELSE AND NO ONE ELSE IS THE TRUTH, THE WAY, OR THE LIFE OF MANKIND!!! JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY FOR MANKIND TO FOLLOW! JESUS IS THE ONLY TRUTH CONCERNING WHO GOD IS! JESUS IS THE ONLY SOURCE OF LIFE FOR MANKIND!

Study Jesus and you will know God much better than you could have ever imagined possible! Instead of criticizing Jesus, you should be studying Him!
Study is only the first step.

After you learn of Jesus you should ask Him to come to live inside of your heart. After Jesus has come to live inside your heart then you will move to an even better understanding of KNOWING GOD'S IDENTITY! You will no longer wonder about God's Identity, you will personally KNOW God's IDENTITY!

Once you KNOW GOD'S IDENTITY, then you need to seek to have a one on one personal relationship with God. God will communicate WITH you in a manner much better than verbal communication. You will simply understand and know what God is thinking toward and for you! You might hear God's voice in your ears, if God wishes for you to hear Him with your ears, but in most cases God will simply make you know what He wants you to know! This form of communication is far faster and more efficient than verbal communication. EVERYONE WHO DOES NOT HAVE JESUS IN THEIR HEARTS DO NOT HAVE THIS ABILITY TO HEAR FROM GOD!!! Many evil people hear from satan and demons in a very similar fashion, but satan and demons are desperate, and they will settle for verbal communications, if an individual does not have the capacity nor the ability to communicate in such a way as that which is with God.

COMMUNICATION WITH GOD IS THE ESSENTIAL KEY ELEMENT WHICH CAN HELP YOU TO KNOW THE PERSON OF GOD!!!
Not just you talking to God, but having conversations WITH God in a spiritual fashion. Again, this is only possible if Jesus is IN YOUR HEART!!!

So, ask Jesus to forgive you your sins. Confess to Jesus that you are a sinner. Then confess to Jesus that you need Him to be YOUR LORD, YOUR GOD, and YOUR SAVIOUR. Then ask Jesus to come live in your heart, and ask Jesus to communicate WITH you! Then you will KNOW God's Identity!

PLEASE, go to www.JESUSisGOD.com... to learn more! If you read both Gospel Tracts you will find a lot of information regarding Jesus being God!

reply to post by Simplynoone


Hi

With regard to your words Quote:

"As far as who is God ...one thing I know for sure after reading this site for a few years now and listening to everyone on here ... is what he is not ....he is not you or you or you or you or me ..we are all way too messed up and confused"

Christ said,

"I Shall become You and You shall become Me!" Let You be in Me and I in You!"

I can't change What Jesus Said, and Nether do I wish to change anything He said!

Your Words Quote; "and imperfect" ...

Quote:-
67.
Jesus said,
"Whoever believes
that the All itself is deficient,
is himself completely deficient"

Do you mean to suggest that God dose Not Create Perfect and is deficient????

It is You who does Not understand, what this world is really about and therefore judge it in the ignorance or lack of knowledge of the Primate.

No offence Intended!

Your Words Quote:

"and cannot even solve the simple problems in our world or our own lives ...and we do not even have a clue as to who we are..or what we are doing here or why we are here" ...

I see you speak for your self, as you do Not know others!
This is Your Judgement of Yourself Only!

No Offence Intended!

I am Glad My Lord Received Me, to The Marriage Supper.

If I was against Him I would Not have sat at His Table and would Not have eaten and drank with Him, as promised in the Scriptures...

Your Words Quote:

"so the WE ARE gods theory I have completely RULED OUT as even a slight possibility ...."

Then you had better read The Book Of John Chapter 10 verse 34.

Jesus answered them,

"Is it not written in your Law,

'I said, "Ye are Gods".

I guess You do Not Believe what is said by Jesus Christ then!

But I believe!

That is why I went to The Marriage Supper!

But that Does Not make me Religious!


Thanks ATSers at least for helping me to rule that out completely once and for all in my mind at least ...

Oops Deceived my Primates I sincerely hope Not!

I had hope in you finding the Truth!

I still have hope though, because None are Lost.

If My Christ, was to loose even one Person, One Man, One Woman, or One Child it would mean His failure!

Now it is Impossible for My Christ To Fail isn't it or do you think You can do a better job.

This is why He is Called The Saviour.

No Offence Intended!

reply to post by SaintlyMic


Hold it Right There SaintlyMic,

I will save you a lot of Grief by cautioning you...

You are Making False Judgement and False Condemnation of Me.

For a start;

Read The Book Of John Chapter 10 verse 34.

Jesus answered them,

"Is it not written in your Law,

'I said, "Ye are Gods".


Don't You believe what Jesus Christ said?????

I do!!!!

I quote your Words:

"Study Jesus and you will know God much better than you could have ever imagined possible! Instead of criticizing Jesus, you should be studying Him! Study is only the first step. "

Now You Condemn Me because I have sat at Jesus's Table at The Marriage Supper and ate and Drank wine with him.

This is The Truth and Testimony that I went to The Marriage Supper with Jesus Christ as My Witness.

My knowledge was given to me Directly By Jesus Christ as in Person to Person.

If you Condemn me You Condemn Jesus Christ, as I am a witness of Him!

Ask Jesus Christ My Lord, Saviour and King, and If He wishes to Answer you,
He will tell You The Truth.

But I will let him Heal You, and then maybe, just maybe, if you are invited to "The Marriage Supper" and Sit at His Table and Eat and Drank Wine with Him, you will Also Understand The Truth!

I am a Witness to "The Marriage Supper" and to My Lord and King.

I am glad I am Not judged By You, as Your Judgement is False and Not according to The Truth.

Jesus said "I am The Way The Truth and The Life."

And "I am The Way The Truth And The Light".

Jesus Said "I Am The Light of the World"

The Life of God is The Light of Man that Lighteth every Man that comes into The World.

Never Judge another, in Ignorance.

You may bite on something you wished you hadn't.

You shall come to know the Truth in The End That I shall Promise You..

As All are Loved by My Christ! You Included!

Peace....



[edit on 16-11-2008 by The Matrix Traveller]

Originally posted by predisposed
god is the sum of all consciousness.

it is not something unknowable. it is not a separate entity. it is certainly not those that the religious texts paint it out to be.

god is inside us all.

if you are enlightened. You will understand that you are god, and i am god, and we are all taking to our selves. or more precislely. I am talking to my self.

and even more precisely. one is talking to ones self.

do you? or do I understand?

No truer Words Spoken.

Thank You for Your Post of The Truth.

I hope to hear more from you in the Future...

Peace be with you....

GOD is pure thught, which is aware of itself, and brought into being from thought, the spiritual existence, then created other Gods to creat the material existence, which we live iin this material existence brought about by GOD, from other Gods, to bring about experience in this muti-dimensional universe, and many others. GOD's son is a conscieiousness as is the father, his son is the Christ, which is a consciousness, not a person. GOD has bestowed upon his son the ability to incorporate his consciouness into beings that have sought GOD out, and they receive what is called the Christ consciousness, which brings them into being a whlly vehicle at that time for receiving the Christ, and that is a gift for all, not just Jesus, or anyone else. If this informatin bothers anyone, then youo are afraid to look inside for the truth, though the truth shall set you free from your fears, and anger, and disbeleif. GOD is pure and does not have to bear our human negative fellings, and thought, but is lovingly carrying and accepting of them, for he had us made in his image of consciousness, and we do have a conscious, at least some of us do. We have the gift and abilities of free will, and it is determined which way we chose what will be, we can make decisions of our own choosing at any given moment, and that decision will determine our path, so it is each and everyones own responsibility to make wise choices. In other words it is not GOD who chose whether we live or die, or what is to happen to us, but ourselves, and we must take full responsibility for our lives and what happens within each of our lives. Prior to birth we were in the spirit, and chse to be here in this life with these parents, family, and experiences, so we have to accept that it was our choice, not GOD's for what happens here. May GOD Bless You, and may you find truth by seeking it out, the path is yours not others, each individual has there own path to take, which will lead them to where they are going.

I will give you my current and maybe final version of this concept.

I belive that outside of time that infinity has a design and that design is god. What i would then say is that the only thing that survives infinity without changing is god. In the end there is only one surviving conciousness once infinity is veiwed. Only a pure intent would send you to veiw infinity, because it implies explicitly that who you are now will change simply by seeing "all".

The father being "god", design of infinity.

The "holy spirit" is the intent to see infinity unedited, which would bring the distruction of the natural man.

The "son" being the one who desires to see infinty.

You can' t see love but you know that it exists.

Such is the nature of God.

God is love, plain & simple.

You Asked:
"So what is The Father, Our Father, The Father in me, What is The Son, What is God, What is the Holy Spirit, What is our Spirit and What is The Soul? "

The Father is the first creative force, the first self acculated creative event, the psychological mindset of all of creation that happened an undefineable time ago.

Our Father is that force that created all creation.

The "father in" you is a spark of the creator of all that leads if you follow through the path of least resistence in according to the will of Our Father.

"The Son" i assume, you are addressing the creator son of this local universe. It is a projection of the original son of Our father. However you also could be addressing "The Son" as your personalize and personalizable sonship with the creative son on through to the Our Father.

The Holy Spirit is most often one of two spiritual forces. There is the "spirit of truth" that gift to the planet that was a resulting eventuality of the life of the creator son that would become known to the world as "Jesus". Every planet has a spiritual being that takes charge of the planet. At the time of the rebelion the spiritual being that was in charge of this planet went over to the side of evil. That spiritual being would become known as "the devil". That seat is now filled by the spirit of truth. The other aspect the "holy spirit" is associated with is the "mother" spirit of the phyicial reality.

Your "Spirit" is a mixture of things. Your "Soul" is the projection of personality of yourself that is to be in context you.

There is a "book of Truth" avilable for nothing. It's been around for over 50 years. It is factual and real. For more info check out the Urantia book. However stick to the book itself. Do not assume to believe the associations that stem from the book.

www.urantia.org...

Originally posted by Wertdagf
I will give you my current and maybe final version of this concept.

I belive that outside of time that infinity has a design and that design is god. What i would then say is that the only thing that survives infinity without changing is god. In the end there is only one surviving conciousness once infinity is veiwed. Only a pure intent would send you to veiw infinity, because it implies explicitly that who you are now will change simply by seeing "all".

The father being "god", design of infinity.

The "holy spirit" is the intent to see infinity unedited, which would bring the distruction of the natural man.

The "son" being the one who desires to see infinty.

What you have said is absolutely true and this is why I died (so called) and experienced the First Resurrection...

But I am Not the First and Certainly Not the Last.

For proof of this Ask Jesus Christ who sent me back into the world as one amongst wolves as a Witness Of Jesus Christ as He is Not as He is made out to be by human reason based on Double Logic that was Introduced by the wicked one through Eve.

Cain was born of the wicked one and was the first born of Eve so if the wicked one is Cain's Father then the Sin that was committed was Adultery between Eve and the wicked one.

When you come to know the Truth you are No longer a religious person because the Truth sets you free and You accept the all in forgiveness as it is the father that doeth the works not the human form of A'Dam

The Name of the body called the Soul is Man.

But the flesh or Primate is A'Dam.

These are Not my Words, but I support these words in Truth.