Pakistan Truck Bomb -- WHO DID THIS?

In the last couple of days here on the hallowed pages of ATS all I've read is posts about how the Pakistani's had shot at the Americans who tried to invade their air space and how Americans had been told that they would be attacked if they dared cross the border! A day or so later this happens! Forgive me for sounding too conspiratorial but this was always on the cards. And for the record, as far as I'm concerned that crater is far to large to have been made by a simple truck bomb.

Google Maps view of it from the skies before the explosion:

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[edit on 21-9-2008 by spec_ops_wannabe]

thenews.jang.com.pk...

ISLAMABAD: Was there a top secret and mysterious operation of the US Marines going on inside the Marriott when it was attacked on Saturday evening? No one will confirm it but circumstantial evidence is in abundance.

Witnessed by many, including a PPP MNA and his friends, a US embassy truckload of steel boxes was unloaded and shifted inside the Marriott Hotel on the same night when Admiral Mike Mullen met Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani and others in Islamabad.

Both the main gates (the entrance and the exit) of the hotel were closed while no one except the US Marines were either allowed to go near the truck or get the steel boxes unloaded or shift them inside the hotel.

These steel boxes were not passed through the scanners installed at the entrance of the hotel lobby and were reportedly shifted to the fourth and fifth floors of the Marriott.

So we have Marines, mysterious steel boxes and poor security. Either someone saw a weakness and exploited it in a very short period of time, or another false flag attack was orchestrated to encourage the Pakistani people to allow the US to expand the war on terror into their country.

I really don't see how terrorists could see what was going on and then come up with such a devastating attack so soon. That was a massive explosion, something that big takes time to construct/plan. Sure the timing could just have been a coincidence but I find the marines activities very suspicious.

Especially the steel boxes, normally the container gives clues to what it contains. Steel is strong, so its contents could be heavy, delicate/explosive, dangerous or expensive. Hopefully we'll get more news on these Marines soon, my interest is certainly peeked.

Did any of you see a film called "clear and present danger"? in it, there's a scene where an american jet drops a bomb on a house full of colombian dealers, and they claim it's a truck bomb on the news.. there's a great scene with harrison ford where, one of the CIA guys is analyzing the crater left from that explosion, and came to the same conclusion that some have come to here. Car/truck bombs don't leave craters.

Aerial bombs do.

[edit on 21-9-2008 by dragonseeker]

[edit on 21-9-2008 by dragonseeker]

Originally posted by stumason
I was just about to start a thread on this, but I see someone beat me to it!

Remember the film "Clear and Present Danger"? They faked a "car bomb" on the drug lords cartel by targeting a vehicle outside his house with a bomb dropped from a US warplane that a cellulose casing, which would disintegrate on detonation.

That also left a crater, as any air dropped munition apparently does, which Harrison Ford's character picked up on, leading him to the conspiracy itself.

It seems odd that the Oklahoma City bomb was 4,800 Lbs (2181Kg) and left no crater, yet this is apparently only 1320 Lbs (600Kg) and seems to have blown half the road away.

[edit on 21/9/08 by stumason]

lol, I just referenced the same film, that's what I get for not reading the whole thread

[edit on 21-9-2008 by dragonseeker]

There is something fishy about this bombing. The youtube video that shows the truck's cab catching on fire, and not showing the explosion is weird. Could it have possibly been that the fire was a targeting flare for some kind of IR guided weapon?

Sort of a "clear and present danger" scenario but with a fire instead of a laser designator.

I certainly don't know that this happened, but it is weird.

The things that we have to ask are....

Who was the bomber(s)?

What does this mean politically?

Was it India?

Was it really a truck bomb?

The funny thing that strikes me about 'some' of these bomb sites is the extreme lack of any video or surveillance footage at the time of Impact/explosion and then I ask myself why. The next step I have to consider is that 'Perhaps' they were knocked out by some sort of emp which could be the result of some sort of Mini Nuke etc. Not that I am saying these were used BTW, just typing my minds thoughts.

Failing that, we must really look into stuff such as video camera's that work because during pretty much every disaster such as this, never has there been any credible/useful footage released to back up anyone's story.

Originally posted by StarTraveller
The funny thing that strikes me about 'some' of these bomb sites is the extreme lack of any video or surveillance footage at the time of Impact/explosion and then I ask myself why. The next step I have to consider is that 'Perhaps' they were knocked out by some sort of emp which could be the result of some sort of Mini Nuke etc. Not that I am saying these were used BTW, just typing my minds thoughts.

Failing that, we must really look into stuff such as video camera's that work because during pretty much every disaster such as this, never has there been any credible/useful footage released to back up anyone's story.

Where the cameras at the Pentagon knocked out by an EMP before the plane hit? On 7/7 in London, a city with the most security cameras in the world, were they knocked out by an EMP when the bombers came-a-calling? What about in Madrid. . . or Bali? Or what about those cameras in the tunnel in Paris where Dianna met her end?
As far as I'm concerned the cameras suddenly and mysteriously not working is a classic sign that this was a false flag exercise.

reply to post by Benarius

The same came to my mind as i heard about this "terrorist attac" : US response to the speech of the new pakistani president about cutting down on border violations by american forces .

Hey heres a random thought, just a thought, but it'll give you all something to talk about lol.

Did anyone consider a meteor? I mean it would happen so fast and in all the confusion, and the region it happened a bomb would be the first thought to cross peoples minds.

If you you look at impact craters it is very similar, with the centre of it being pushed down further yet raised (look at the photo with the water in).

I cant quite tell if its a basic or complex crater (complex has the little raised mound right in the middle).

I bring this up because, lets face it, thats a big crater, i can't buy the story it a was a truck bomb, and ok, its unlikely that it was a meteor, but it was just a thought.

Peace.


edited to comment on startravellers thoughts........a meteor would cause an EMP

[edit on 21/9/08 by woogleuk]

just wanted to offer a simple explanation maybe..

possibly. the building standards on the roads/pavement or whatever arent up to the standards that ours is.. just a simple explanation..

i wonder what a truck bomb exploded ontop of asphalt as to one exploded ontop of concrete pavement would look like..

just my 2 cents..

[edit on 21-9-2008 by celoco]

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Highly unlikly but I like your style

Originally posted by Mintwithahole.

Originally posted by StarTraveller
The funny thing that strikes me about 'some' of these bomb sites is the extreme lack of any video or surveillance footage at the time of Impact/explosion and then I ask myself why. The next step I have to consider is that 'Perhaps' they were knocked out by some sort of emp which could be the result of some sort of Mini Nuke etc. Not that I am saying these were used BTW, just typing my minds thoughts.

Failing that, we must really look into stuff such as video camera's that work because during pretty much every disaster such as this, never has there been any credible/useful footage released to back up anyone's story.

Where the cameras at the Pentagon knocked out by an EMP before the plane hit? On 7/7 in London, a city with the most security cameras in the world, were they knocked out by an EMP when the bombers came-a-calling? What about in Madrid. . . or Bali? Or what about those cameras in the tunnel in Paris where Diana met her end?
As far as I'm concerned the cameras suddenly and mysteriously not working is a classic sign that this was a false flag exercise.

Funny you should bring the others up mate, not meaning to bring yet more movies into this but I remember a scene in the Bourne Ultimatum in the train station when all the camera's suddenly pointed the other way just before the asset took the reporter guy out. I believe and tbh I am bloody sure that the control seen in the movie is the kind of control they have so go figure.

I know its another film, I know its a conspiracy film and I know the events we are talking about are hard if not ugly facts but I cant help but feel that there are messages in some of these movies that kind of say - 'hey Public, see what they can do'

Camera's, lots of them do not all of a sudden stop for no reason - FACT!!!

[edit on 21-9-2008 by StarTraveller]

Originally posted by u2r2h
a Truck Bomb does NOT leave a crater!

In the US television series Mythbusters they detonateda truck full of explosives.It was completely wiped out. It left no crater.

This is also the first thing i thought of. Mythbusters vaporised a cement truck and left no damage to the ground.

Then this scene from Syriana came to mind.
Syriana: "Take the target out" - www.youtube.com...


Reading in the news this morning, the truck got stuck at the hotel gate, went off with a little spark and a fire (which we've seen in the video) and it stayed there for 3 and half minutes on fire while gaurds tried to hose it down.

Then it went Boooom!

Could this of all been watched via a satellite feed with a bomb drop on the target?
Was the terrorists rampage in the truck just a distraction and catalyst for the media to latch on to?

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The Oklahoma city truck bomb was made of 55 gallon drums filled with fuel oil on an angle facing up and toward the building. Every Islamic terror bomb has left a big crater because they are not to skilled at the whole shaped charge thing.

Mod Edit: Fixed Link.

[edit on 22/9/2008 by Mirthful Me]

I am kind of anti conspiracy.. but this is very interesting. Not sure why you would direct an explosion downward if you were trying to blow up an above ground building. Maybe they were shooting for some room underneath the building. I see your point about being dropped from a plane. To the guy that thought it might be a meteor. How cool would that be if it was true? In kind of a tragic way.

Ok my only thought on the mythbusters thing is that they were in some all stone quarry when they blew that baby up. So maybe it is a difference in the makeup of the two surfaces. But hey I am grasping at straws here. I could buy into this conspiracy.

If this was just a truck bomb and surface explosion, the only way the ground could have cratered is if it was detonated on top of a sinkhole type foundation. The odds of that are slim to none, in my opinion; it was something else.

reply to post by u2r2h


The Sea-Ment Mixer on Busters had 800lbs of Commercial Grade
Boom Box installed. It did leave a crater!, only about 1 meter though.

The Paki Bomb is estimated to have 600Kg of Boom, roughly 50%
more bang for your buck. The Bottom of a Mixer is very heavy gauge
steel which would deflect most of the bang up. An ordinary truck is
not built anywhere near as tough as a Mixer. The truck would not have
presented any resistance at all, it would be like it wasn't even there.

Even so, it is pretty big crater.

reply to post by LEAP STICK


And the explosives were packed into a mixer drum that was half filled with hard concrete, that was the myth that was busted, whether you could use a small explosive to clean the hardend concrete out of the mixer.
It didnt work so they blew the whole thing up instead.


It did leave a crater in SOLID ROCK OF THE QUARRY FLOOR, after blasting through 3 feet of solid concrete in the bottom of the mix barrel.


Then theres this rediculous notion that only a missle or gravity bomb will leave a crater.
its almost impossible to respond to such an idiotic idea.

And its not like pakistan doesnt have a history of self inflicted violence.

Please stop referencing movies! They are very seldom reputable sources of fact! They tend to be exciting and sensationalist fiction and are directed by people who can be influenced by urban legends and half-truths.