Aiken County deputy fired, arrested *Video*

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His job isn't to teach someone respect, his job is to enforce the law. I shiver at the thought of a "worn down" police officer pulling me over and snapping because of some perceived slight.

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I don't see anything in the above talking about teaching people Respect.

LOL!!!

Granted there are good policemen and women working hard on the streets to make this place a better place to live for all of us...but this man is not one of those officers...If I got harrassed by an officer for the way I was dressed...I'd laugh in his face too! He has no authority or probable cause for illegal search and seizure or telling anyone how to dress.

A stupid Cop facing off with a stupid Civilian Two stupids equals one giant stupid.

Originally posted by UnderTheirRadar
Major priorities include: tackling antisocial behaviour

I don't see anything in the above talking about teaching people Respect

There it is.

Originally posted by UnderTheirRadar
Yeah I can shout in your face all day long and If you put a hand on me, best believe your going to jail for assault n battery...just like that cop did!!!

I think that has to be one of the most childish and nauseating attitudes I've read so far.

I have seen such cases in America and abroad they are usually acquitted if it even gets that far.

You however, I don't hold out much hope for.

Originally posted by XTexan
Point is, a cop is one of the ones who shouldn't retaliate in that way.

Cop has a right to be treated with respect. Cop has authority to control abusive people. Hence the response.

I cant remeber where I read this information from but it was about why cops shoot blacks, the reason was cause of when they do their shooting practice they use outline of black targets which sends a sibliminal message in their brain that makes it think everytime they're dealing with that color that its targeting practice. I'm not saying they purposely hate black people in any way but that theyre mentaly trained to use more aggretion. (sorry for any spelling or grammer mistakes i made if any)

Originally posted by SteveR

Originally posted by XTexan
Point is, a cop is one of the ones who shouldn't retaliate in that way.

Cop has a right to be treated with respect. Cop has authority to control abusive people. Hence the response.

Wrong. No-one has a right to respect... respect must be earned. As soon as he stopped someone for the way they were dressed, he lost that respect.

As has been pointed out the guys hands did not leave the cars hood, no threat of violence, no abuse. The cop said "say it to my face" and the guy said it to his face. The cop didnt specify at what volume the statement should be said, so as far as I'm concerned the guy exercised his right to free speech. Heck even after the guy was "open hand techniqued" or assaulted or whatever you call it, he still did not attempt any violence.

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He was weak because he was worn down. If you were a cop and your mere presence was a sign of amusement to these pretend gangsters, on a daily basis, you may want to teach them some respect too.

A better idea would be for him to find a NEW LINE OF WORK if his mind is too weak to handle the job, as for all cops who's minds are too weak to handle their job.

Also, We dont need a bunch of school bullies that refuse to grow up to be cops, or those that have been bullied to exact revenge on society at large...

Its pretty stupid that they target young people that show their boxers or whatever else. I think they are just jealous that their youth is gone, wishing they could pull it off. Its strange because you could legally walk around with just boxers and you'd be fine, but add low pants and look out! all the sudden its illegal. Don't we have terrorists to catch or something instead of enforcing dress code? Age discrimination is what it is, I think we need to ban perfume from those old women personally, yuck.

Originally posted by UnderTheirRadar
..why are you getting shocked because of this now?

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If it is considered normal, as you've said, videos like these may help deter future incidents. And some people are shocked, only because they didn't know this stuff happened. Believe it or not, some people are that sheltered.

AAC

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If this has been going on longer and more often than you know, would it be hard to imagine someone creating a defense to such actions? They know they can't fight back, so they learn the law, and tried to use that knowledge against their aggressors. Yeah, he said it with much enthusiasm, but it is to be expected if you study the situation.

It's like playing the lottery your whole life, and finally winning. Its not so much the money, but the satisfaction of finally getting the validation. Okay, so it;s also about the money, but can't you understand the emotions?

AAC

The deputy was fired.

But that's not good enough.

Some people think that the police department should be sued for millions of dollars.

I think that if there is a lawsuit that it should be against the deputy.

When evidence of his behavior came to light, the department fired him.

If I sat on the jury, I'd say that the department had done it's job.

The deputy lost his cool, lost it in front of a camera and how has lost his lively hood. Why should his employer have to pay a single dollar?

Punish the guilty and he is guilty but don't make the taxpayers responsible for a lottery win size payout. The taxpayers didn't do anything wrong but they are the ones that would have to pay the award.

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This ATS reader is obviously disillusioned. Crack house? They are the kind to rob houses? Those are the assertions of a bigot, imho.

AAC




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You have finally shown proof of bias in this reply. Most here are arguing it isn't right to "teach lessons" in the form of instigated assault. The kids could be the devil, but their horns were not showing at the time of the incident. We expect our police for to Protect & Serve not Protect and Serve Open hand jabs.

AAC

Maybe it's about time the police are taught a lesson. Don't *SNIP* with a brotha. I would have laughed my ass off if everyone on that street decided to beat the crap out of that cop right there, flip his cruiser over and set it on fire. *SNIP*.

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Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but the job of the cops, or any 'policing' force is to protect the rights and laws that have been democratically voted in, which, like it or not, gives someone the right to wear baggy pants.

I would be keen to know when 'enforce' became the accepted language of the cops in favor of protect.

I dont think the officer was that out of line. My parents raised me to respect the police. When you treat them with respect this stuff doesnt happen. When you stand there and run your mouth you get your head kicked in. I dont see why people dont get that concept. If the guy thought he as being cited incorrectly he should have shut up and fought it in court. If there is a law (no matter how stupid) that you cant have your pants down too far then its the law. It would be the same as me running my mouth for getting a speeding ticket because I didnt agree with the speed limit. I am white but I am sure if I ran my mouth the same thing would have happened. In fact I was arrested once for public intox and I got my butt kicked by the police and I never said a word because I had it coming. All this liberal thinking of trying to be understanding of some disrespectful punk. I just dont get it. If that was my son and I saw that video I would have disciplined him for behaving like that in front of an officer of the law. He should have shut his mouth, kept his hands on the car, and did what he was told. I dont care what color you are. If you have a record of hitting a cop your going to get picked on everytime they get you on anything.

I want to add something that I haven't seen mentioned on the thread yet.

From the article linked in the OP.

Sheriff Hunt says he tells his deputies to act professionally and treat people with respect. He adds, this is an isolated incident and the other deputy in the video has provided a written statement and is not being investigated in this case. Nation was suspended back in 2004 for excessive use of force.

So obviously, this isn't the first time that the former Deputy has acted in this fashion. Also, the Sheriff states that he asked his deputies to treat the people with respect. Mr. Nation showed no respect to that guy at all. A search for wearing baggy pants?
As for showing the former officer respect, it's earned and not given. You should give any officer a level of courtesy but if they start to disrespect you for the clothes your wearing, you don't give them respect.

Shame it's a person like this that gives good cops that are trying to do their jobs and help society a real bad name.

I hope that cop is locked up. It seems a requirement these days that cops must be douche bags. I hope the entire department has to pay up.