Disclosure Is Close, Are They Coming?

is this going to be the real disclosure though?

rather wouldnt it be a fake one,an imposter designed as the real one in order to make people believe the truth has come out when in reality it is still hidden?.

mark these words,whatever comes out will be a straw man.

Such an interesting thread.

I believe in many things Unknown to us, but I'm not obsessed with it or anything, but a few months ago I had one of my most vivid dreams ever.

I was outside by myself when all of a sudden the sky filled with hundreds and hundreds of bright UFO's........some were landing, others were on fire and crashing. I remember being frozen with fear. I started running towards a really old crumbling stone house......there were no windows in it and it was in terrible shape.

I got inside and went upstairs and crouched by the window and kept watching them. They kept coming. Landing or crashing. I knew that they would find me and get to me and I was terrified. Then I woke up thankfully. That is the first UFO dream I have ever had and it stuck with me all day....

I know I'm a newbie on here but I have a lot of interest in UFO's. Project Bluebeam is something I only recently learned about from reading on here. Scary stuff......really scary stuff.

Long time lurker, first time poster here.

There are times it seems UFO's -or public coverage of UFOs seems increase during times of duress...maybe a diversion? Maybe a symptom of other social stresses , like the lastest stock market dump. Maybe disclosure is coming...what do you think?

I personally believe in them because I've seen things from time to time that didn't "fit" what I know to be "normal" and I also saw something that was verified in 1967 by the University of Cincinnati observatory...It was seen by lots of folks from Ohio to Ky.it was in all the papers and I saw it from Lexington Ky....

But it has just occurred to me that this recent new attention could just be a way to divert us from other things? I hope not.

Sorry for getting off topic for a minute ...
But WELCOME to both of you newbies .

I am kinda new myself ..( I registered in 2007 but could not post till a few weeks ago ) ...

A high level government conversation from many years ago:

"The Nazis are gone, we need a new villian to unite the masses and keep them under control."

"I know, how about an alien invasion?"

"From Mexico?"

"No, like from outer space!"

"I don't know, how do you suppose we can get the public to fall for something that far-fetched?"

"Well, we drop hints around and then deny everything for years. The first few believers will be viewed as nut-cases, but if we keep the charade going, while denying everything, pretty soon everyone will think the aliens are visiting and we're just keeping a lid on it."

"Hmm, do you think it will actually work?"

"I guarantee it, Mr. President."

"Brilliant!"

"Brilliant!"

**Yes, disclosure may be imminent, but will it be disclosure of the truth?**

I have to say that I agree with some of the posts here,the motivation to smake ufo shows is very simple "MONEY, lots of it". We have all read that the latest polls in the US that show that over 70% (please correct me if Im wrong ,its a high % anyway) beleive in life beyond this planet.That means that if there is interest in the ufo subject then there is money too.Also it does not require much money to make one of these shows.No actors,sets ,grand locations stunts etc.Just camcorder evidence and witness interviews.And maybe some cheap knocked up cgi to show what people claim to have seen.Advertisers are falling over themselves to reach that size of audience and will pay huge amounts to get them.

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Wow kind of freaky learning about all those others dreams; the latest one I had a week ago really shook me to the core.
Very interesting thread btw!
It's probably fear of the unbelievable kicking in. We have to know that we'd be fearful anyway because of being kept in the dark constantly.

I always say this: whatever is out there is not so much the problem, the problem is US. Didn't God itself create the whole them universe, hence everything in it? Then what has turned mankind into some dangerously scared little breeding animal?

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Great topic about questions we all have perhaps had cross our minds. After my own series of expieriences I started to ask the questions until it effected my everyday thoughts. While I cannot go back to things as before I realized that I needed to look for better answers to all the troubling questions.
Then I realized I needed to ask the right questions. We're all different and for me it no longer mattered if "disclosure" would occur or if people believe but more how do we find peace and what can I do to make myself and this world a better place.
Even if ET ships came down and/or the government came out with it. What does it matter? Even if everything was true you read on all the conspiracy sites and everything fell apart it wouldn't make any difference if we could not become something better. Fear is not the answer.
I too would like the truth to come out I hope what we as a race unite and use that truth in an honorable and peaceful manner when we are faced with such profound events.

Peace and Love be with you all.

Before we ever Google something, we bring the search engine that is our biased minds to bear upon a topic. Now with the advent of the Internet age these skewed tendencies are liable to run amok.
With T.V. we were feed a particular world view(s), now in the 21st Century we have a cornucopia of sources of dubious and sound information alike and are free to chase down any train of thought that captures our imagination.

Perceived or Actual ?

This has some similarity to a syndrome known as Badder Meinhof syndrome, where you hear something strange or obscure for the first time, only to hear it repeated often over the following days or months.
Nothing has changed only your perception and awareness.

Now i am not suggesting that there is not some shift in the accepted paradigm afoot , just that we should be aware of our own biases, when seeking out answers.

On a personal note , i have noticed that the time i spend reading ATS threads is now split 50/50 with the amount of time reading the Mainstream Media .
Is this effecting my world out-look ? only time will tell .
Has this made me more cynical ? ............ certainly.
Is this a bad thing .............. ????????

A well wrote piece Vikturtle, certainly thought provoking. :

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excellent post

i think its become mainstream because they want to control how people view ufo's ect and this is the best way to do it.....via media. they assume if they show sightings ect it will stop the questioning though they have obviously not come on here

no-ones comming because they are already here. they just want you to look to the skies more so we wont take note of what they are contriving here on earth.

You know whats funny? If there was ever to be a 'rapture' event I'm sure it would be the people who shared the same values as Jesus rather than those that believe in 'him' that would be whisked away to safety. There is a damn large difference between those groups believe me.

Damn religion.

Yes, I have the dreams also. So do people close to me.

I've also had the one where the sky turns red and you become weightless. Two people I know personally had it too.

I don't know if anything will happen, but if it does I hope it isn't exactly like my dreams.

As a side note, in one of these dreams I went out the back to get my dog from the bungalow. I went inside and an alien was in front of me all of a sudden. I felt weak at the knees and dropped down, falling to the floor in my dream. I woke up and I couldn't feel my legs. Thats never happened to me before after a bad dream (I have some absolute shockers lol).


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Originally posted by Vikturtle
reply to post by Spiramirabilis

 

I do believe life is out there, but I also think they would be maniacs to get involved in the craziness down here. Who in their right minds would come from a cool planet to earth unless they had an ulterior motive?

What makes you think they come from a "cool" planet? Theirs could be just as screwed up as ours. We don't have any information to go on, all we see is their craft flying about.

As for that, there are numerous different types, doing different things, going different places.

Different alien species, perhaps? Different alien political entities, maybe? What makes you think things are any less complicated up there than they are here?

Chances are, yes, they do have "ulterior motives", after all, wouldn't we? Why would they be any better? There could be a dozen different cultures vying for the chance to contact us, each with their own reasons and motives, some advantageous to us, some not, some neutral.

Too many people have prejudged the possible motives for any possible aliens, either that they are evil and out to conquer us as slaves or as food, or that they are coming to save us from our primitive ways.

There are plenty of possible alternatives, as a matter of fact, there is an entire universe' worth of possible motives!

WE JUST DON'T KNOW!!!

But whatever their motives, it will be interesting. I just hope it isn't interesting in the manner of the old Chinese curse!!

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"many believe that these visiting aliens may be our salvation from a doomed and dying world"

They could also be vultures waiting to pick our bones. That could be the case, too.

Let's say they have come from a great distance. They have no biological forms. Rather, they are a collection of bots and computers. Purely electrical intelligence. They have sentience, but no sentimentality. They snag human dna and manufacture their grey minions. And wait.
Time may mean little to them, since they can hardly die. They wait---but for what.

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Excellent post Vikturtle balanced and precise.

In order to understand where we are heading regarding the "disclosure" about Alien Life issue, we must take in to consideration the status in a number of existing fields.

First, the general consensus among people is that media is being controlled in an increasing rate. Investigating journalism is becoming a rarity but we have the internet where everyone with a little talent can offer his/her services in investigating matters from a journalistic point of view. In that concept the percentages of investigating journalism might have been increased at least ten fold.

This is the status of investigating journalism. It has become an open source commodity.
Raw facts from events, data gathered through internet can be examined by a plethora of different individuals with different expertise and oppinions that communicate anonymously with each other also through the same medium from where the data in question are being gathered.
We can understand this concept by examining which people are honored as celebrities in this type of board as the ATS is. People with very well researched pieces of investigating journalism prepared to inform and enlight the members of this board.

Now if we agree with the idea that an unseen power is exerting Global influence through the Media, and the UFO phenomenon is an issue that powers that be could not afford information flow of it to go unchecked, we must research then agree to inform ourselves at which extend and with which methods could someone control the flow of information taking in to consideration the possibilities the internet is giving us for free sharing of information. The primary weapon against any subject being shared through free information is for that type of information to be labeled irrelevant and uninteresting for the serious researcher and in general for the public.

Truth is that we as individuals are being left at our own devices to discover and analyze important issues that their nature is different than any traditional issues that Mankind has been forced to acknowledge seriously throughout our history. We must play the role of the journalist, the scientist, the politician and the clergy all by themselves for these issues to be analyzed from every point of view, since the Status Quo is not endorsing any dealings with such fringe topics.

That is both a blessing and a curse at the same time. It is a blessing because several novel methods of aproach could be apllied with several diferent points of view and if we agree we can arrive at a certain concensus, and a curse since nobody would dare to endanger his public credentials of expertise while dealing with such fringe topics.

It is clear that the times we live in demand a shift in our methodology of analyzing and handling new information. This is the primary challenge that the UFO phenomenon has introduced to our society. A demand for decentralization of handling of knowledge and analyses and a shift of duties from the specialized experts down to the actual receivers of this type of information which must become experts, analysts and relays of this very information in order for it to receive a real and useful substance for society.

Appart from the invention of the internet as scientist Michio kaku labeled as evidence of a transitional society in to higher levels of civilization, comes this part of the need for a different methodology of handling analysing and relaying information from the public to the public. There is the need for us to actually substitute the experts with ourselves and becoming experts in a wide area of issues. The tools are here. This might be one of the first steps of us becoming a Galactic civilization. It certainly is a sign of times.

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The denying of the existance of a widespread phenomenon or either its acceptance but only in certain terms from the establishment, cannot be but a form of resistance against the ways the society is prone to change regarding information, analyses and decission.

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Hi Vikturtle,

I am directly replying without reading the replies...
anyways... excellent post... the thoughts are very much like a common man who is uncommonly following what is happening and trying to figure out the complete picture... excellent...

One thing that i am sure of is... if UFO/Aliens are real and if they are visiting us from years... than they have already made contact... and thats with the elites... and these elites will only disclose if they have some interest/profit...

and if all this is not true than this UFo thing is all a plot for something real big... as its planned globally

I have to agree with you as you summarise the current situation very well. OP you have a way with words that's for sure and you are obviously educated and able to pull your ideas across in a succinct manner.


I feel that disclosure has happened and for me it has indeed occurred. No two people experience reality exactly the same and for that we have different levels of understanding and acceptance. For some they are the enemy, for others a new salvation and for some an opportunity to learn and grow into a type 1 society.

Aside from the unknown factor of some alien race or races appearing suddenly from a distant planet or more comfortably Galaxy, the first step as I see it is to have full disclosure of 'our own' level of technology. It is time for them to admit where we currently stand in the Universe and our ability to traverse our solar system and beyond. To open the archives of the real documentation unfiltered and doctored of the Lunar surface specifically the back side, as well as other planets in our own back yard. And where we honestly stand technologically.

What is to happen when 'they' land and only want to talk to the Muslims, AlKida(sp) or the Russians? Or for them only the Americans and British? What if it is the Inuit? Or perhaps North Korea? Just the Hawaiians or the Cubans? Why do people and the media assume it will be the same untrustworthy shadow governments that they will make contact with? If I were and alien race here to make the connection I would seek out the enlightened souls not the dark compromisers.

Is this going to happen? Yes I would say, yet my best advice is to go about your own business.

I agree with VikTurtle's take on this increasing mainstream reporting on UFOs. This is the beginning of "the grand illusion" and for the ultimate of "false flag" operations under the guise that we've been invaded - run for your lives!
Research has revealed that the famed "War of the Worlds" radio broadcast by Orson Welles in 1938 was one of the first government and media supported "psy-ops" programs. While millions of Americans were bamboozled by this fictionalized account, my parents weren't even listening that evening, but when they heard about it, they had already figured it was some kind of joke, particularly since it was aired on Halloween.
Now fast forward sixty-three years to 2001 and the holographic, multi-media extraganza called 9-11. Oh, thousands of people died tragically (and RIP to all of them), but in their honor, a new and independent investigation should be launched, but probably won't.
When a woman near ground zero was interviewe shortly after "the attack", she commented frantically, "I thought I was watching a movie". Doesn't that say it all?
Today, technology like H.A.A.R.P. can create all sorts of visual effects and distortions and distractions which can quickly become a new threat, a world-wide menace. I personally believe that "they" (aliens) are amongst us right now, so we already have been invaded and there is a war going on between the different species for dominance of us (their slaves).
So, the next time there is some media induced breathless alert, take a deep breathe and do not panic or fall prey to all the initial hype and realize that the set up for this latest "grift" is being laid out right now.

Originally posted by Lebowski achiever
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Yes, that backs up the notion that people want to know more. They want answers. Thanks for that link!

To come back on the Them or Us idea. I think both.

I think the triangle sightings in the 90s are the Aurora more than likely. But there are so many different types of sightings.

Again, Not mutually exclusive.

I wanted to bring this back into the discussion -the OP and Lebowski Acheiver have made some good points

we all have our ideas about what's going on - and obviously we would like to know what that actually is

how disappointing would it be if it wasn't real?

could it be possible this is all made up in an attempt to manipulate the masses? well - of course

even if it's not to dominate the world - it could just be a useful way to make a quick buck

what if it's just some psychological phenomena? collective unconscious whatever...

what if they are real?

we should consider - all those points are valid as far as they go - since we don't know anything absolutely

but, as Lebowski points out - none of them have to be mutually exclusive - so - it could all be real in varying degrees

UFOs are real, whether they are ours or extraterrestrial

or they are NOT real -simply don't exist

our lack of certainty as to what they are or aren't - and what's going on - could be used to manipulate a population by whoever is in a position to do so

and people are capitalizing on the psychological aspect - our current "group" interest in the whole thing - so, we will only hear more and more - and it will become more mainstream

it's been brought up in other threads - but I think it's worth mentioning here - about the term disclosure

it can only mean that there is something to disclose - and that somebody is in a position to disclose it

we all assume that the governments of the world are in a position to do this - and they just won't

I think it would be better for us to all realize - there's never going to be a "National Disclosure Day" that you can mark on your calendar

no BBQs or parades - no bank holidays

if there is anything to all this, then it's a process of realization - and it's already happening

it's been happening

I don't want to take away from all the fun of suspecting our governments of being up to no good - ATS would all but disappear if we believed in a benevolent elite with only our best interests at heart

on the other hand - I'm not a complete idiot - maybe they really are up to no good

however - what's happening - the way it's happening - may just be part of the plan

in the span of a few months we have had a major event in Texas (not to leave out the multitudes of events all over the globe), the Vatican make an official declaration of its position on the whole extraterrestrial subject (why?) and the discovery of water on mars

mainstream media - for whatever reason - is taking the whole thing pretty seriously - astronauts, pilots, everyone and his brother - going on record

and there are a great many people who aren't even waiting for disclosure - they're just treating it as a given and researching it to the best of their abilities

it's probably here - the only thing we can do is remain as objective as possible - which includes considering that it's NOT here and never will be - and watch what happens

edit to add that I forgot to include the slow leak of information concerning a mysterious blob of light seen by Hubble - that no one can seem to even BEGIN to explain

maybe nothing - interesting timing

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I take the line of Springer,

havent seen anything, would like to, try to, but haven't.
dont know if its real or not. ask me again after i see something.