Rosie O'Donnnell & Willie Rodriquez on 9/11/08

Lets not forget. Willie had his say to NIST.

"The fire, the ball of fire, for example, I was in the basement when the first plane hit the building. And at that moment, I thought it was an electrical generator that blew up at that moment. A person comes running into the office saying 'explosion, explosion, explosion.' When I look at this guy; has all his skin pulled off of his body. Hanging from the top of his fingertips like it was a glove. And I said, what happened? He said the elevators. What happened was the ball of fire went down with such a force down the elevator shaft on the 58th (50A) – freight elevator, the biggest freight elevator that we have in the North Tower, it went out with such a force that it broke the cables. It went down, I think seven flights. The person survived because he was pulled from the B3 level. But this person, being in front of the doors waiting for the elevator, practically got his skin vaporized."

Originally posted by cashlinkOk, so let say, it did go through the elevator and blew out the doors, that still doesn’t answer what blew out all the glass windows and doors and art work on the walls in the lobby.

I can give you one possible explanation. It's what happens to steel frame buildings during earthquakes. They bend. And it's enough to brake the glass as is not really flexible. Especially on lower floors. Also possibility of breaking is higher if size of glass window is bigger. And they had really huge glass panels on street/lobby levels.

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
- Many people that witnessed an explosion reported a fireball, and strong smells of jet fuel. Willie himself stated that he smelled jet fuel!!

You mean the jet fuel that just happened to go down the one and only elevator shaft that goes from the upper floors to the sub basement?

[edit on 22-9-2008 by ULTIMA1]

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Ultima.

Do you think the jet fuel only went down one elevator shaft?

-TY-

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
reply to post by ULTIMA1

 

Ultima.

Do you think the jet fuel only went down one elevator shaft?

-TY-

Just out of common interest:

When did the jet fuel that went down the elevator shafts catch fire and consequently explode? Half way down? Sooner? Or later?

If the jet fuel in its natural state escaped unburned down the elevator shafts, then what made this jet fuel explode; if it was not caused by the initial explosions?

Did the jet fuel splatter down in one unbroken continues stream to the lobby? Or was it in partial splashes?

What made the fire from the exploding jet fuel not catch the jet fuel that seemingly escaped down the elevator shafts?

What broke the natural connection between the total pool of jet fuel?

Why did some of it escape, still in its natural state of just being jet fuel?

Sorry for these most probably very dum questions ThroatYogurt, but you seem to be an extremely very highly intelligent very advanced person, judging from the well of wisdom found in virtually all of your most positive enlightening posts!

So who better to expect an absolutely honest answer from, than your very good experienced knowledgeable self!







[edit on 22-9-2008 by djeminy]

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
Do you think the jet fuel only went down one elevator shaft?

Well there was only 1 elevator shaft that went from the upper floors to the sub basement. The sub basement where the people were burned.

Originally posted by djeminy
So who better to expect an absolutely honest answer from, than your very good experienced knowledgeable self!

Nice try. You can ask me questions without the whole "blowing smoke up my ass" routine.

In regards to the jet fuel I encourage you to read:

wtc.nist.gov...
North Tower Section 2.4

This outlines the jet fuel dispersion.


Interesting Statistic:

Of the evacuees interviewed by NIST, 72% reported the smell of fuel fumes in the stairwells of the north tower, and 63% in the south tower.

(NIST NCSTAR 1-7A p. 17)

Although most truthers (not saying you are) do not like P.M. There is some interesting points brought up there regarding the jet fuel and fire balls:

NIST lead investigator Shyam Sunder explains that the burning jet fuel simply followed the path of least resistance. The core of the building is where a large number of elevator shafts and stairwells were damaged. These provided an easy path for jet fuel to traverse down," Sunder tells Pop Mechanics.

NIST investigators spoke with more than 1,000 survivors and witnesses of the attack as part of their attempt to determine the progression of damage to the buildings. A number of witnesses reported seeing pockets of fire in locations far from floors directly affected by the aircraft impacts.

NIST granted all witnesses anonymity in exchange for their cooperation- One witness, near an elevator between the 40th and 50th floors of the North Tower recalled,

"I saw the elevator in front of me had flames coming out of it. The elevator was closed but the flames came from the front where the doors meet and on the sides...I saw a chandelier shaking; it was really moving...black smoke started filling the corridor, it got really dense fast." And a survivor in the basement of the North Tower at the time of the attack recalled, "I saw a big bright orange color coming through the basement with the smoke...A fireball came shooting out the basement door."

Investigators heard additional reports that some elevators "slammed right down" to the ground floor in loud violent crashes. The doors cracked open on the lobby floor and flames came out and people died", says James Quintiere, an engineering professor at the University of Maryland and a NIST adviser. A similar observation was made by Jules and Gedeon Naudet. On the day of the attacks, the French brothers were making a documentary about Tony Benetatos, a rookie NY City firefighter blocks from the WTC. Benetatos became one of the first responders to the N Tower. As Jules Naudet followed him into the lobby, minutes after the first aircraft struck, the filmmaker saw victims on fire, a scene he found too horrific to record.

www.amazon.com...


Here is another interesting witness statement:

Mike Pecoraro, an engineer who is part of the crew that services the WTC complex, is at work in the mechanical shop in the second subbasement of the north WTC tower when it is hit. When the room he is in starts filling with white smoke and he can smell kerosene (jet fuel), he heads up stairs with a co-worker towards a small machine shop on the C level.

From Willie R:

“And at that terrible day when I took people out of the office, one of them totally burned because he was standing in front of the freight elevator and the ball of fire came down the duct of the elevator itself, I put him on the ambulance.”

transcripts.cnn.com...

Lobby & 3rd floor
As we got to the third floor of the B stairway, we forced open an elevator door which was burnt on all three sides. The only thing that was remaining was the hoistway door. And inside the elevator were about I didn’t recognize them initially, but a guy from 1 Truck said oh my God, those are people. They were pretty incinerated. And I remember the overpowering smell of kerosene. That’s when Lieutenant Foti said oh, that’s the jet fuel. I remember it smelled like if you’re camping and you drop a kerosene lamp.

-Firefighter Peter Blaich

Another good read:

From USA Today: "Elevators Were Disaster in Disaster" (2002)
www.usatoday.com...

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
In regards to the jet fuel I encourage you to read:

Well there was only 1 elevator shaft that went from the upper floors to the sub basement. The sub basement where the people were burned.


[edit on 23-9-2008 by ULTIMA1]

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Ok Ultima..now take the next step. Look at the location of the damage caused by the airplane. Please remember we are talking about the North Tower.

Originally posted by djeminy

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
reply to post by ULTIMA1

 

Ultima.

Do you think the jet fuel only went down one elevator shaft?

-TY-

Just out of common interest:

When did the jet fuel that went down the elevator shafts catch fire and consequently explode? Half way down? Sooner? Or later?

If the jet fuel in its natural state escaped unburned down the elevator shafts, then what made this jet fuel explode; if it was not caused by the initial explosions?

Did the jet fuel splatter down in one unbroken continues stream to the lobby? Or was it in partial splashes?

What made the fire from the exploding jet fuel not catch the jet fuel that seemingly escaped down the elevator shafts?

What broke the natural connection between the total pool of jet fuel?

Why did some of it escape, still in its natural state of just being jet fuel?

Sorry for these most probably very dum questions ThroatYogurt, but you seem to be an extremely very highly intelligent very advanced person, judging from the well of wisdom found in virtually all of your most positive enlightening posts!

So who better to expect an absolutely honest answer from, than your very good experienced knowledgeable self!

Isn't funny, that when one ask simple straight forward questions, an answer is never forthcoming!

Throatyogurt, you have given me nothing. And here I thought you were an intelligent chap!! What a bloody letdown. All the above praise is hereby cancelled, annulled, thrown in the bin, burned, destroyed..... in disgust!

Your copy and paste nonsense do not address any of my questions.

Some of the jet fuel exploded after impact. But apparently much of the jet fuel did not explode, as it seemingly escaped down many of the 198 elevator shafts!!, where it later on caught fire. But by what?

Some of it even reached the basement. How did it get separated from the other exploding jet fuel without catching fire from this already exploding fuel?

A fuel explosion must travel at a certain speed. The untouched jet fuel traveling forward or splashing here and there after the impact must also travel at a certain speed.
Is it your opinion that the result from the exploding jet fuel travel at a slower speed than the escaping untouched, still kerosene smelling, jet fuel?

If so, could you, out from your own power of reasoning, give us an idea of how we can come to this conclusion?

Don't let me down again, please!










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[edit on 22-9-2008 by djeminy]

[edit on 23-9-2008 by djeminy]

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
Ok Ultima..now take the next step. Look at the location of the damage caused by the airplane. Please remember we are talking about the North Tower.

Yes, so what your point? There is only 1 elevator shaft that goes from the upper floors to sub basement.

Please explain how much jet fuel it would have taken to get to the elevator and down to the sub basement. (as its being spread everyhwere and being burned off).

TY, you have to answer even Dora is watching the screen.
How much jet fuel would have to go the elevator shaft to cause such an explosion.
And if it was a ball of fire then what cause the explosion?

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

There is only 1 elevator shaft that goes from the upper floors to sub basement.

Actually, there's 3.

#50, a freight elevator, went from B6 to the top

#6 and 7 were large elevators that went from the WOW and observation decks and down to B4.

You really should do some research before posting.

Originally posted by Seymour Butz
Actually, there's 3.

How many elevators go to B-6? It looks like you have the answer its ONE.

Please do research on the other elvators.



[edit on 24-9-2008 by ULTIMA1]

quote]Originally posted by cashlink
How much jet fuel would have to go the elevator shaft to cause such an explosion.

You might have to wait till he looks up what the media has told him.

[edit on 24-9-2008 by ULTIMA1]

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

How many elevators go to B-6? It looks like you have the answer its ONE.

Yes, #50 goes to B6.

But your statement was about sub basement. The fact is (which you cannot debate ) B4 is in the sub basement.

People were burned from the conflagrations on the B4 level, and on the ground floors.

I can post these facts if you wish to learn something - facts that you cannot debate.

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Roger,

is the NIST report now considered media? Interesting that you can post an Iranian news story as FACT, but when others post stuff from the NIST, its media???

Originally posted by Seymour Butz
I can post these facts if you wish to learn something - facts that you cannot debate.

Please show me the diagram of the elavtors and which go to what floors then.

Also can you tell us how much jet fuel it would take to get the eleaver shafts and down to Sub basement 6?



[edit on 25-9-2008 by ULTIMA1]

Originally posted by gavron
is the NIST report now considered media?

Well since the NIST reports have been questioned and it has been proven they failed to do a proper investigation of building 7 i would say that the NIST report is considered just as bad as news media.

Oh and by the way, i never posted the Iranian story as fact, please be mature enough not to try to twist post or misquote.


[edit on 25-9-2008 by ULTIMA1]

Originally posted by Seymour Butz

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

There is only 1 elevator shaft that goes from the upper floors to sub basement.

Actually, there's 3.

#50, a freight elevator, went from B6 to the top

#6 and 7 were large elevators that went from the WOW and observation decks and down to B4.

You really should do some research before posting.

So should you. Bsbray has a thread debunking the jet fuel story right here in this forum. Funny I don't remember you finding any fallacy in that thread.