Rosie O'Donnnell & Willie Rodriquez on 9/11/08

[edit on 9/18/08 by MorningStar8741]

How about I just try this.

What did Willie lie about, and try not to post opinions this time since they do not qualify as thoughts. Also weed out anything without definitive statements, things like "I think." That is also not a lie.

DP sorry

[edit on 9/18/08 by MorningStar8741]

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
reply to post by MorningStar8741

 

Once again a derail because you FAILED. Plain and simple. Next attempt gets reported.

You have some obsession with me. It is kind of flattering. (and people wonder why I stay anonymous)

Now, do you have any ON TOPIC posts to make.

Step up.

Apparently my first reply did not take. All of my posts are on topic because I am questioning your credibility. You start threads that should lead to some revelation but always peter out on facts. You claim Willy lied. I asked about what and got a list of things that were not lies. So since we covered that, it seemed relevent to question your honesty all around but fine, lets get back on topic. What did Willie lie about?

Originally posted by MorningStar8741


Apparently my first reply did not take.

Your reply was a mess. Obviously you didn't read ANY of my replies. You carry on about my credibility. You may have read some of my other threads sir, but as I proved above, you have a hard time with reading comprehension skills.

All of my posts are on topic because I am questioning your credibility.

This thread is about Willie and Rosie. It is appropriate to ask me for examples of him lying. That's what this is about. It is not appropriate to ask me about other threads within this thread. THAT is off topic and an attempt to derail. If you think I am in error, please contact one of the mods for clarification.

That being said, I will not reply to your questions regarding WTC7, the Pentagon, or anything else NOT related to my OP. If you do have questions regarding the other threads. Post them there. Please follow up with a U2U to me so that I will not over look it.

You claim Willy lied. I asked about what and got a list of things that were not lies.

You mean the ones you didn't read? I showed you two clear examples of where you were mistaken.

a. You stated that the word "believe" was used at the beginning of his quotes.
Strike one.

b. You stated that you stopped reading them at #6. I had only listed 5

Strike 2.

What did Willie lie about?

There we go. Was it THAT hard? I assume you want MORE lies. Well, you will have to wait a little while my little CT friend. I have a lunch to get to for my employees.

reply to post by ThroatYogurt


Actually what I said was that "I stopped reading afte about the sixth one." See that word "about." You are really going to need to back up your insult about my reading comprehension because you sure do miss alot. Thank you for pointing this out. I was reading along, got sick of rolling my eyes and stopped. When responding, I did not go back to count which ones I read so I guess ABOUT 6. It turns out that I read all 5. ALL 5. So thank you for pointing out that I had actually read each one and all that wasted time drillng that point home was wasted now wasn't it?

As long as we are ON THE TOPIC of reading comprehension. How is yours when it is your own post? He never said "I believe?" Really?

I’m saying that I believe these people were handled by our own intelligence to do this thing."

I guess you are going to have to teach me then because my lousy reading comprehension says that the underlined word is "believe."

I will take your personal insults and attacks since that is where you always resort when cornered. Of course those other things are off topic and have no business being brought up here. I just thought since you would not answer them in those threads either, I would give it a shot and see if you would ever back up anything that you had said.

So, on topic - care to explain why I see the word "believe" and you do not? And then explain how that is a lie.

The closest you have to an actual deliberate deception is #5 and that is iffy at best.

Originally posted by MorningStar8741
As long as we are ON THE TOPIC of reading comprehension. How is yours when it is your own post? He never said "I believe?" Really?

I didn't say he never said it. I was responding to this quote by you:

Originally posted by MorningStar8741First of all I see a bunch that start out with "I believe."

In response to that I said this:

No you don't. You see that world quoted ONCE. If you read it, you will see that he is stating that he: "believe these people were handled by our own intelligence to do this thing." He stated this AFTER he said he is not a conspiracy theorists.

then I said it again in a different way:

a. You stated that the word "believe" was used at the beginning of his quotes.
Strike one.

This is in regards to this quote from Willie:

WR: "I don’t, because, uh, you know, it’s, it’s, well, what I’m saying is it’s not that they were genuine terrorists or not. I’m saying that I believe these people were handled by our own intelligence to do this thing."

27th word out of a 39 word quote. Would you call that "starting out?" You also said "a bunch". Can you point out the others that start out with I believe?

Originally posted by MorningStar8741
I guess you are going to have to teach me then because my lousy reading comprehension says that the underlined word is "believe."

I hope this showed you the mistakes that you made.

I will take your personal insults and attacks since that is where you always resort when cornered.

Not cornered at all sir. You came into two threads that I started and attempted to derail them by asking questions about wings of flight 77, 2 different threads, and my credibility. You are embarrassing yourself here.

The 6th lie crap? You obviously had an issue with your eyes rolling back in your head as you claimed they were. I can concede that you probably got dizzy and had a temporary bout of blurred vision. I will forgive you for that one.

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It showed me exactly what I expected it to. You would spend more time picking apart the semantics that any intelligent individual can see are beside the fact than to actually back up one of your insipid claims. What would you do if all I gave you to pick apart was this simple question.

Can you please post what Willie lied about?

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reply to post by MorningStar8741


I am done with you. As I was done with you several months ago when I put you on ignore. Yes, I know who you are.

What I won't get out of you is the truth.

I will ask you what you consider a lie.

For instance: Someone is making the same claim over and over. That person is then told how they are mistaken. They are shown with facts that they are wrong. They then walk away and continue to repeat what they were saying.

To me. That is lying. That is what many truthers do. Dylan Avery, Willy R., Richard Gage. etc.

reply to post by ThroatYogurt


When someone says "I feel, I think, I believe, etc." it is not a lie. I am sorry I know that is upsetting to you but it is the truth. That is just the way the world really works.

p.s. and i know who you are too.
What the heck does that mean? What color eyes do I have?

[edit on 9/18/08 by MorningStar8741]

Originally posted by MorningStar8741
reply to post by; ThroatYogurt

 

When someone says "I feel, I think, I believe, etc." it is not a lie. I am sorry I know that is upsetting to you but it is the truth. That is just the way the world really works.

What is a theory sir?

Do you know? Read the entire quotes. It is lie #1. Then read it again.

Now:

Conspiracy Theory:1. a theory that explains an event as being the result of a plot by a covert group or organization; a belief that a particular unexplained event was caused by such a group.


Here is W.R.:

LIE #1

"I won't speculate because I'm not a theorist."

Then during an interview:

Host: "Do you think the people who crashed the planes were genuine terrorists, then?”


WR: "I don’t, because, uh, you know, it’s, it’s, well, what I’m saying is it’s not that they were genuine terrorists or not. I’m saying that I believe these people were handled by our own intelligence to do this thing."

Get it now? He states he is not a Conspiracy Theorist...then in an interview gives you a conspiracy theory.

Have you been unable to find the "BUNCH" of times he used "I believe?"

p.s. and i know who you are too.
What the heck does that mean? What color eyes do I have?

It means I am flattered that even with your new name, you have spent your time here following me around this forum like a lost puppy.

Now play nice Fido, or you will end up where I put you moths ago.

reply to post by ThroatYogurt


That is really quite a stretch to get to a "lie." I see you took every semantic sidestreet until you found a place to park. Amazing what taking someone's thoughts and opinions and labeling them a lie really does to prove your case. He said he was not a theorist then made a statement that was a theory. You did it! You proved the government report on the events of 9/11 are true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh wait, no. You just proved that you have spent way to much effort trying to demonize a guy for what you believe. Proved nothing. Made no point. Did not make your own point. Sure have not added to the credibility of the 9/11 fable either. NICE JOB!

Originally posted by MorningStar8741
reply to post by ThroatYogurt

 

That is really quite a stretch to get to a "lie."

Did he lie?

Originally posted by MorningStar8741
He said he was not a theorist then made a statement that was a theory.

Well, thank you for answering me!

Originally posted by MorningStar8741You did it! You proved the government report on the events of 9/11 are true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for the kudos, but this was done over 7 years ago.

Originally posted by MorningStar8741Oh wait, no. You just proved that you have spent way to much effort trying to demonize a guy for what you believe.

Awwww. Not really, i spent way to much time teaching you how to read.

Originally posted by MorningStar8741Proved nothing. Made no point. Did not make your own point. Sure have not added to the credibility of the 9/11 fable either. NICE JOB!

Because your piss poor attempts to discredit me have added so much to your fantasy that 911 was an inside job.

You have failed at both.

reply to post by ThroatYogurt


The thing I like about ThroatYogurt, and Swampfox for that matter, is that they have the gall to cast down and rubbish the claims of someone who actually witnessed these events first-hand, who was in one of the towers at the time of this tragedy, who actually saw it with their own eyes, not on TV. He actually lived it.

Unless you two were there at the same time and experienced the same things as him, you can not begin to know or understand what this guy has been through, or what he has or hasn't seen. Everything he says carries more weight then anything you say because he was there, you were not. He is a witness, you are not. The fact that you spend time trying to bring down and effectively rape the character of someone who can not escape the memories of this tragedy for the rest of his life is disgusting, and the only character that should be questioned is your own, not his.


[edit on 19-9-2008 by Alethia]

reply to post by ThroatYogurt


I think that I and others have done a wonderful job of discrediting you over and over again. All you have to do is look for the gaps in the 9/11 threads where you do not post for a few pages. Those gaps always begin with one of your lies, mistruths, stretches, or just plain incorrect statements is called out. You hide until the heat dies down and come back ignoring them. If that is how you count your victories then a coward's crown to you, my good sir.

If you really need to hang your hat on these two things here, go for it. He said he was not a conspiracy theorist and then presented something that could be called a conspiracy theory. Wow! What a catch. It is all yours for whatever that gives you. Was he wrong about being last? Maybe. Did he lie about that. Maybe. Is that all you got? YEP!

Originally posted by Alethia
reply to post by ThroatYogurt

 

The thing I like about ThroatYogurt, and Swampfox for that matter, is that they have the gall to cast down and rubbish the claims of someone who actually witnessed these events first-hand, who was in one of the towers at the time of this tragedy, who actually saw it with their own eyes, not on TV. He actually lived it.

Please explain what he witnessed first hand. He was in windowless level B1. He saw the same destruction hundreds upon hundreds of first responders saw. What thousands of other people in the WTC saw.

Unless you two were there at the same time and experienced the same things as him, you can not begin to know or understand what this guy has been through, or what he has or hasn't seen.

Your are right... partially. We can't understand what he has seen since he has changed his story.

Have you had a chance to read his lawsuit. (that he claimed he dropped and it was actually DISMISSED) But hey who's counting the lies...right?

Go read the case he had against the United States Government and tell me that by him being in the basement of one of the towers, he was able to draw that conclusions he did.

I'm curious as to how many first responders filed law suits against the government for being "In on it."

Everything he says carries more weight then anything you say because he was there, you were not.

What about the hundreds if not thousands of other witnesses that disagree with him? You listen to him because he agrees with YOUR fantasy. I disagree with him because I have read HIS speeches. I have read his interviews. I read his testimony to NIST. I have seen the evidence.

He is a witness, you are not. The fact that you spend time trying to bring down and effectively rape the character of someone who can not escape the memories of this tragedy for the rest of his life is disgusting, and the only character that should be questioned is your own, not his.

Appeal to emotion. 100% pure crap. 911 hit my family very hard. Not as hard as some others, but hard enough. Still does today.

I have always said that Willie is a hero. Nothing can change that. It is a shame he was suckered into a movement that is filled with inaccuracies and in many cases, lies.

Originally posted by MorningStar8741
reply to post by ThroatYogurt

 

I think that I and others have done a wonderful job of discrediting you over and over again.

Go ahead cowboy, give yourself a great big pat on the back. You are my hero.

All you have to do is look for the gaps in the 9/11 threads where you do not post for a few pages. Those gaps always begin with one of your lies, mistruths, stretches, or just plain incorrect statements is called out.

I admit to mistakes. Call me a liar again without back up, you will go on ignore like I did with your other name. If you see gaps, did you ever think that I was stepping back for others to discuss? Or, if Ultima gets involved.. i like to walk away. If someone starts to post garbage...I don't respond. I wont discuss pod people, no planers, holograms, blaming the Jews, and other idiotic theories. I just pass them over. As I told you several months ago, sometimes I am posting on many threads here. This threads in this forum can move pretty fast sometimes. I don't always scroll down to check everything.

If it REALLY concerned you, you can do what others have done. Send a quick U2U and ask me to join you there.

Oh, and please point out the mistakes in the thread I have made. I will address them there.

You hide until the heat dies down and come back ignoring them. If that is how you count your victories then a coward's crown to you, my good sir.

I assure you, you are the ONLY one on my ignore list. [your old name)

If you really need to hang your hat on these two things here, go for it. He said he was not a conspiracy theorist and then presented something that could be called a conspiracy theory. Wow! What a catch. It is all yours for whatever that gives you. Was he wrong about being last? Maybe. Did he lie about that. Maybe. Is that all you got? YEP!

You see, it doesn't matter sir. You IGNORE evidence. Unless somehow you can find a way to twist it to fit your fantasy, you do a truther typical hand wave.

I can fill several posts with inaccurate statements from Mr. Willie. Will it matter? Not to you. You will return with personal attacks on me as you have done with your first name here and now this new one.

You have proven nothing but an unhealthy sort of obsession with me. So, go ahead... start sifting deeper into my posts and point out the errors. You have failed to do so.
In fact, when are you going to contribute? What threads have you started? What information have you shared regarding 911?

Better yet, U2U "MemoryShock" and challenge me to a debate on the debate forum. I am sure you and I can agree to a specific topic to discuss. Heck, I suck at debating. But I am confident with what I post. (unless noted)





[edit on 19-9-2008 by ThroatYogurt]

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
. She (as well as Willie) do not listen to the facts. Just listen to the garbage she used to spread on the View.

Were you there??? My cousin was, I've known him my whole life, he is dry as a bone and serious as it get. He has explained to me the same stuff Willie has.

If you don't want to believe it fine... but unless you were there or can vouch for the character of a person who was, what do you have? CNN FOX MSBNC etc....

reply to post by mental modulator


He heard an explosion underneath him before the plane hit?

thanks, -TY-

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
reply to post by mental modulator

 

He heard an explosion underneath him before the plane hit?

thanks, -TY-

Oh please TY, can you prove Willie did not hear an explosion befor the plane hit?


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