Gordon Brown facing attempted coup as MPs revolt over leadership

I've never bought into the whole brown thing about him being a great chancellor - he went straight to old labour policy of tax and spend via the back door and many new stealth taxes.

He inherited a thriving economy and basically killed the golden goose.
Here's a list of stealth taxes (I acknowledge the bias of the site, but the list is 100% spot on)

I think Browns biggest failing is that he tries to micro-manage everything - which would make him a control obsessive.

A PM needs to know the details, but he also needs to know how to delegate, something which I think brown has failed to do, and that's another major reason for dissent in the ranks.

I don't think it matters much now who is leader - labour are surely doomed at the next election, and if he is ousted as leader, that election may be sooner than expected.

After more than 10 years, and countless billions wasted, then hens are coming home to roost for brown.

Blair must be laughing his socks off - again he gets the glory, whilst borwn comes out the loser.

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984

Originally posted by infinite
In Britain, we need a new party to govern. We've had Labour and Conservative for far too long - the Liberal Democrats are too weak to pose a serious threat.

After the next election, I expect the Green Party and the BNP to get MPs to the chamber - which will shake up the establishment. A radical shift at Parliament will increase voter turnout (even though it is increasing due to voters wanting Labour out.)

The BNP, if the BNP got in they'd i'd try staging a revolt, they're racist scumbags who openly admit wanting a white Britain. Well i'll be the first white man to stand up to them because they're hideous.

The green party are insane, whilst they have some moderate policies, their extreme views are worrying. Labour are full on socialist now, the lib dems aren't really much better. Some of the lib dems think we should try and understand paedophiles to help them -.-

The conservatives aren't majorly impressing me at the moment, it seems we have no real political party that relates to the people in any major way. We're lurching from one party to another, choosing the lesser of evils instead of trying to encourage a better change.

Agreed
Its best explained and KIS&S as “none of the above please” Something Radically different is required as much as is a fundamental shift with in our system and protocol over running and organising Government. The current 2-tier 4-year status quo has been sucking for an awful long time now, and we are not moving forward, in fact we seem to be reversing pretty fast. Any gains made under Maggie has been lost, expolietd, exhausted and eradicated by 10 years under Labour, yea can still like Tony because he comes across as a nice guy, but t hat in itself is bollocks too. ( “ I don’t care how white his teeth are, how ugly he is/not, or who blows him, as long as he does his job to the highest degree for the people he answers to, which should be the public... after all does not his wages not derive from the Tax purse…I have my doubts on that to)

The whole lot/system needs to be suspended and investigated and explored to the core. Sort of a spring-clean with all the trash thrown out, inspected and something NEW, Modernized and DYNAMIC put in place. Yes I can dream (like John Lennon’s Imagine) but that concept I’m afraid seems only a utopian solution, and at present will likley never will happen. Unless Queenie wants to have a shot at it (not likely, ever) so its business/bollocks as usual. (unless of course ET shows up in spaceship towing a poster saying do or die and a big phaser pointed at the Whitehouse/No10… lmao)

Peace all
Kirky


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Originally posted by infinite
In Britain, we need a new party to govern. We've had Labour and Conservative for far too long - the Liberal Democrats are too weak to pose a serious threat.

After the next election, I expect the Green Party and the BNP to get MPs to the chamber - which will shake up the establishment. A radical shift at Parliament will increase voter turnout (even though it is increasing due to voters wanting Labour out.)

The BNP will use peoples disillusionment with politics to heighten it's racist agenda. I wouldn't go near these racists bas***ds with a barge pole. Racial tension in some areas of the UK is near boiling point as it is without these idiots igniting it!
As for the greens. .. Until they come up with something other than taxing the ever loving s**t out of everyone I can't take them seriously.
Unfortunately it is, as it always has been, a two horse race between Labour and the Conservatives and neither party are, at the moment, electable.
Like I said before, we, in the UK, are in a pretty sad state. . .

Isn't this Labour falling into civil war. New Labour was about stakeholders, which never got made, a con, is about super post offices to mask closures without even a lick of paint, a long term 10p tax rate for the worst off which got ripped up, another con.
A question for socialists is: 'What do we still believe in?'
The Conservatives have moved onto the centre ground and Labour in it's 11 years of power has barely given the left of their party any cheer, other than the coronation of Brown until they saw through that as well. It doesn't matter who's leader, they're going to get knifed after the general election. Labour needs to work out it's purpose again, the poor have gotten poorer under Labour, the gap in wealth has been growing continuously under this government.

Originally posted by redled
Isn't this Labour falling into civil war. New Labour was about stakeholders, which never got made, a con, is about super post offices to mask closures without even a lick of paint, a long term 10p tax rate for the worst off which got ripped up, another con.
A question for socialists is: 'What do we still believe in?'
The Conservatives have moved onto the centre ground and Labour in it's 11 years of power has barely given the left of their party any cheer, other than the coronation of Brown until they saw through that as well. It doesn't matter who's leader, they're going to get knifed after the general election. Labour needs to work out it's purpose again, the poor have gotten poorer under Labour, the gap in wealth has been growing continuously under this government.

MMM couldn’t agree more with ya Pal
But you see I have thoughts. I’m pissed at the Status Quo. I don’t see any leader with balls at the minute. No like the huge ones Churchill must have had to haul around.

But wadaya gonna do, tell me if the young Tory David will pull off a combined Maggie/Tony and suddenly everything will be a good again. Cause I don’t see that there would be much improvement, yea maybe Davy boy and his NEW Tory Cabinet would chuck a few odd billion in or so to appease us for a couple of years before the corruptions sets in again.

I just don’t see anyone worth voting for personally, I dunno, I just think that all of them, Tories, labour, fascist, liberal, green…tut tut, have all got it wrong. I don’t see any off them making any improvement on the status quo, EVER, PERIOD!

(I don’t live in Liverpool anymore, I’m in Ireland, but I still follow the nonsense they call elections/politics, what a farce down here. You got the Irish government which is called the Taoiseach, and the power sharing Stormont, London controlled, Northern Ireland Government, just as screwed/same difference scenarios ..lol… and don’t think I’m being a pessimistic dark lord, No I’m always optimistic, life is wonderful here, thank you, The Irish seem to have a very healthy “hey by not drinking it can only get worse” attitude here. I wish its politic was similar. Compared to England/USA this place is the playground of the world, ha ha..slainte.. I live in areas of natural beauty, old people here still don’t give a dam, and STILL don’t know what the internet is, and some of them still watch old black and white tellys lol..no seriously they do…its still the 60’s ffs, ok rant over lol life is good).

I’m just kind pissed at all of them …Mostly the ones at the top, I’m also pissed at the bankers/corporations/Bilderberg/tri-lateral commission/federal reserve/bank of England/Ireland/Energy/oil companies for pulling all the friggin strings that control nearly every politicians move.

Moves that might be in the correct direction that helps the common man….you know just for once. I understand that most politicians get into politics because they probably have a burning desire to make change for good. But it seems that its inevitable that somehow along the way to the top they become corrupted with self interested personal ambitions/motives.

It seems that the very processes that are in place to facilitate ones rise to election and ultimate promotion to the highest job of the land, is poisoned with the very substance that feeds it and nurtures its rise. Sort of like a cancerous growth/brain tumour that eventfully ends in total collapse of the host. We need something more than these bunch of losers telling us what we should do. We need some strong men full of backbone, common sense and a respect for the people they are SUPPOSED to serve.

Damn I wish we could get Spock and a few of his Da’s council to come as sort this Sh1t out once and for all.

Time for a change that much is for sure.

Cheers for post m8y.
Peace
Kirky

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It's quite surprising where the Tories have changed, first they would allow prisoners (indeed insist on getting) jobs. That is one huge pillar of the social underclass, forcing people to stay on benefits (which are set at disincentive levels) knowing they can do crime.
They are also allocating funding to adults whose skills are short for the work market to get those skills, giving people the opportunity to get off the scrap heap. The New Deal was up to 26, this is for life. Another pillar of the underclass, lack of hope on the scrapheap erased.
Another one is Cameron's big second chance, essentially for homeless who have been traumatised (by family, in 'care,' or in the army). He's into psychotherapy, occupational therapy, social workers, the works. This is another pillar of the social underclass removed.

What I have given you is Conservative Policy, and actually an attempt to deal with the underclass, a concept that arose in the seventies and eighties, just wish they'd deal with drugs and prostitution as well, but hey!

Maybe the UK needs its version of Ron Paul, less government involvement would be interesting, get rid of the NHS and income tax and try to make the pound more of a hard currency seems like what he would do. More of a libertarian government could be a step in the right direction.

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No party in Britain wants to abolish the NHS, not even the Fascists!!!!!!

I have an update from a source:

23 MPs have apparently now contacted Labour HQ and asked for papers. The leak of the first few names came directly from Labour HQ, not Downing Street, it is rumoured the staff are so dissolute about the polls, election results, etc that they've acted to bring down Brown.

Originally posted by infinite
I have an update from a source:

23 MPs have apparently now contacted Labour HQ and asked for papers. The leak of the first few names came directly from Labour HQ, not Downing Street, it is rumoured the staff are so dissolute about the polls, election results, etc that they've acted to bring down Brown.

They have a bigger problem, whoever is next has to get out before all Labour's economic credibility vis a vis borrowing is shattered. Nobody wants a Labour party in the state of 1979, that would take another 18 years to overcome, with no real choice in the meantime. So getting rid of Brown as a figurehead would be a good start so that reputation does not have to face the elctorate.

Originally posted by infinite
I have an update from a source:

23 MPs have apparently now contacted Labour HQ and asked for papers. The leak of the first few names came directly from Labour HQ, not Downing Street, it is rumoured the staff are so dissolute about the polls, election results, etc that they've acted to bring down Brown.

Sorry to disagree with you but having just been listening to the news 17 Labour MPs have asked for forms concerning a leadership contest. Privately they're all stabbing each other in the back. Nobody wants to be the first to put their name on such a list but once the names start pilling up those who want Brown out but who also have well paid jobs on the front bench's will grow a backbone and add their name. It's going to be a bloodbath!
Most political anilysts give Gordon Brown less than six weeks before he has to resign or is physically pushed out of his job.

Originally posted by Mintwithahole.
Most political anilysts give Gordon Brown less than six weeks before he has to resign or is physically pushed out of his job.

Yeah, my sources in the Westminster village are reporting the Cabinet has given him a few weeks. Personally, I wanted rule out an early general election - Labour might go for a suicide election, give the Tories an economic crisis and rebuild in opposition.

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I would trust your sources out of Westminster before anything I heard on TV although the TV interviews where from the Labour meeting. One LibDem MP said that what he was seeing was the deaththroes of the Labour Party.
If Labour don't begin the fightback soon not only will they lose the next election but they will consign their party to the opposition benches for decades.

Originally posted by infinite
Yeah, my sources in the Westminster village are reporting the Cabinet has given him a few weeks. Personally, I wanted rule out an early general election - Labour might go for a suicide election, give the Tories an economic crisis and rebuild in opposition.

No sources, but clear that their 'end to boom and bust' was always a hostage to fortune. If they hang on like an outgoing government, fat faces, having never promised a recession again, is more dangerous to Labour than handing their enemies the proverbial, and as you say, rebuild from there.

Its heating up:



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So far, 5 Labour MPs have called for a leadership contest for a new leader (and Prime Minister.) Another 12 MPs, mainly former ministers from Tony Blair's administration, wrote a joint article criticising Gordon Brown.

So, let me get this straight.......

17 guys (and ladies) don't like this guy....and you can get rid of him????
We have millions of people......all across America.....and the world.....and we can't even get rid of an illiterate village idiot? Wow. Maybe we should have thought harder about independence?

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The joys of a parliamentary system.

If a Prime Minister does not have a majority - then he cannot govern. Parliament has a history of gerrymandering and removing unpopular Prime Ministers.

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The joys of a parliamentary system.

If a Prime Minister does not have a majority - then he cannot govern. Parliament has a history of gerrymandering and removing unpopular Prime Ministers.

As our best ally, I ask of you......can we please be "regime changed" or "liberated"??? I know it's a tough task, but you just will have to win our hearts and minds.

Originally posted by Grafilthy
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The joys of a parliamentary system.

If a Prime Minister does not have a majority - then he cannot govern. Parliament has a history of gerrymandering and removing unpopular Prime Ministers.

As our best ally, I ask of you......can we please be "regime changed" or "liberated"??? I know it's a tough task, but you just will have to win our hearts and minds.

We can't, your President is not disposable by Senators, sorry. You can impeach him though? Maybe you need to make the act 'of being a village idiot' an impeachable offence!!!!

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We can't, your President is not disposable by Senators, sorry. You can impeach him though? Maybe you need to make the act 'of being a village idiot' an impeachable offence!!!!

Sadly, the only impeachable offense in the US is "soiling a blue Gap dress in the 3rd degree". Preemptive unilateral war is not. Go figure....