Gordon Brown facing attempted coup as MPs revolt over leadership

Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by boaby_phet

 

Make that four different countries, three of which are run their own way and one is left to suffer under central Government and footing the bill....

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(i'm not anti-devolution or anti-scot, but fairs fair and we've been robbed)

thats so true, you dont really notice it unless you really do your reaserch, or you are a scotsman who has moved to england (like myself).

poor england is being ran into the ground, while the devolved countries are really got a good deal, just look at scotland + england for comparrisons.

scotland is pretty much better in every way (with teh way their government run things) , i wish i knew that before i moved down.

I doubt Brown will make it to November, Labour will not be reelected with him as the leader. To many people dislike his policies and the credit crunch won't be helping even though its not his fault, likewise with some of the government screw ups. Also there's so much negativity surrounding him at the moment that much of what he says is simply written off as poor.

Labour won't tolerate losing the election simply out of loyalty to him, I think Straw or Miliband will take over eventually.

I'm not sure Brown will be removed, but we are guaranteed a blood bath at the Labour party conference. The left are certainly becoming vocal and are attending a variety of protests (especially the anti-war march) outside the conference hall.

As we all know, Brown is nowhere to be seen during a crisis and the question is: will he resign instead or continue the destruction?

Lets hope he gets the message and goes as soon as possible. Never has a man waited for so long to get a job which he finds he cannot do!
As Chancellor of the Exchequer he taxed us Brits to the hilt. Now he's Prime Minister he's abolished the 10% income tax bracket and allowed the energy firms to absolutely take us to the cleaners. The French government told the energy firms there that they could only put up the charges by 5%. Brown allowed them to put them up by 30% in this country. As a consequence the poor are poorer and those with the money are milking it for all its worth.
He's been nothing but a complete and utter disaster since he inherited the job and I for one will be glad to see the back of him.

Michael White, Guardian editor, is reporting up to 60 MPs are behind this - 10 behind the needed 70.

So far, the list is rumoured to have grown to 17 - but The Guardian (the main left wing newspaper) is putting a overall figure at 60.

reply to post by Mintwithahole.


Dude, let him stay on to the election!!

If Labour performs as badly in the GE as they did at the local elections, they would be annihalated at the polls and would have less seats than the Lib dems have now!

Imagine that, Labour forever sent into the annals of History as the disgrace of lefty-socialist, PC pushing, "taxation is the answer to everything" toss pots they really are, never to return.....

I'm getting goosebumps just thinking about it!!

reply to post by stumason


Labour will never govern again.
A new socialist party will appear out of the ruins, but a significant majority will either join the Liberal Democrats or create a new centre-right party. After the current bloodbath, financial problems and scandals: Labour -in its current form- will never govern the United Kingdom again.

reply to post by infinite


Lib Dems? Not likely....

They are getting a slight swing as a result of labour defectors, but the majority of the swing is going to the Tories.

It was them who hauled us out of the last recession and gave Brown the budget surplus he could use to bribe the poor and underprivelidged with benefits and credits.

They will do it again.

At the last election, they wanted to cut Government expenditure by £25 Billion, mostly by trimming the wastage that Labour has created by massive hiring of middle managers for it's obsession with "targets". There is massive ineffiency in the Civil Service too where vast sums of money could be saved.

The next parliament will be a dominant landslide for the Tories, but the Lib Dems will be the second major party. labour will be forever consigned to the back benches and will have the same clout as the Greens!

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One minister has told the Daily Mail he was ready to resign, although only if senior figures in the Cabinet gave a lead.

This seems quite serious now - not just the mail, but the MSM is discussing apparent ministers who are "baiting" the Prime Minister to call a leadership election.

I think we could be seeing the downfall of Brown.

On Monday, an article in the Progress magazine will be published (signed by 12 former ministers) attacking the Prime Minister and mocking his record at No.11.

Ouch.

[edit on 13-9-2008 by infinite]

Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by Mintwithahole.

 

Dude, let him stay on to the election!!

If Labour performs as badly in the GE as they did at the local elections, they would be annihalated at the polls and would have less seats than the Lib dems have now!

Imagine that, Labour forever sent into the annals of History as the disgrace of lefty-socialist, PC pushing, "taxation is the answer to everything" toss pots they really are, never to return.....

I'm getting goosebumps just thinking about it!!

But Labour aren't lefty-socialist as you call them. If they were, there wouldn't be a problem. What I find so nauseating is that Labour are meant to be the political party who support the ordinary working man and woman yet this lot, Brown and his idiotic buddies, have done more damage to the less well off in this country than Thatcher ever could have dreamed of!
Its getting that bad now that Browns election campaign will consist of one sentence. "If You Think We're Bad Remember What The Tories Did!!!" Its frightening. The ordinary working man in todays Britain has nobody to vote for...

Originally posted by infinite
reply to post by stumason

 

Labour will never govern again.
A new socialist party will appear out of the ruins, but a significant majority will either join the Liberal Democrats or create a new centre-right party. After the current bloodbath, financial problems and scandals: Labour -in its current form- will never govern the United Kingdom again.

Our Lord Tony "IF It Moves Bomb IT" Blair could make a come back and reinvent Labour. He could name it, New New Labour!

reply to post by Mintwithahole.


Believe it or not, the grass roots want Blair to stand in the vacant seat in Scotland and become leader again. I kid you not. Visit LabourHome and see the insensate and facetious comments.

reply to post by infinite

No wonder they call him Teflon Tony! Absolutely nothing sticks to him. The guy spent his whole time in office bombing the middle east and as soon as he resigned from his post as Prime Minister the UN made him ambassador to the middle east. You couldn't make it up!

reply to post by Mintwithahole.


If it wasn't for Thatcher then we would have sunk as a country. What was done needed to be done.

The Unions wielded far to much power and she modernised the UK from the dark days of the 1970's into what was, eventually, handed over to Labour as a healthy, dynamic economy.

Which they have broken, again....

See a pattern here?

EDIT: Oh, Labour are left wing. They showed their true colours with the nationalisation of Railtrack, Northern Rock.

They pump billions into creating pointless jobs in the Civil Service and NHS target managers.

They make sure people are reliant on Labour as a Governing party by doling out handouts and homes to people who are to lazy to work, whilst taxing those that do like no mans business. Making people rely on your party is one sure way of ensuring they vote for you.

Don't even mention the pandering to immigrants and minoroties that ensures even more votes. It's no coincidence that labour's strongholds are in urban centres with high migrant populations.

They hate the Military. Typical left wing attitude...

I could go on, but saying Labour aren't left wing is like saying ice isn't cold. The reason why the honest working man is now poorer than before is down to the fact that the socialist ideology and Labour's in particular just doesn't work in this current fashion. If it was more efficient, and didn;t waste taxpayers money like it was free, then maybe it could, but Labour are not the party to achieve this.

Their mantra in 1997 was "Education, education, education".

It should have been "We'll spend, spend, spend" (without tangible results and boosting taxation to crippling levels...)





[edit on 13/9/08 by stumason]

JABBA THE HUT WAS NEVER ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE OF BRITAIN HE IS NOT RECOGNISED AS OUR PRIMEMINISTER THIS PIECE OF # IS NOT FIT TO RUN A BROTHELL

reply to post by stumason


Thatcher was a disaster for this country. How can you respect someone like her? A woman who allowed the IRA (I'm not a sympathiser before you ask) hunger strikers to die, allowed over four million unemployed, threw miners with young families onto the scrapeheap, cut pensions, introduced the Poll tax. . . I could go on.
British people detest her which was shown only a few weeks ago when it was announced that she would get a state funeral. So many complained that the offer was withdrawn.
Sorry to disagree with you but Margaret Thatcher was terrible.

reply to post by Mintwithahole.


The IRA were lucky. If I got hold of them they wouldn't have the chance to starve. I had the good fortune of living in Belfast during the 80's with the British Army. Pieces of scum would target children. I'm glad she let them starve.

Thatcher did bad things, granted, but didn't the "poll tax" just become "council tax" and no one blinked? She did many things that needed to be done. Imagine if we had a Labour Government in the 80's (Old labour too....). We would have seen far worse and the country would have gone under.

EDIT: The Uk came close to a military coup in the 70's, I believe, when the Labour PM was courting the Soviets a little too freely. Labour have no national pride and have been shown time and again to be treacherous bastards, happy to sell the UK out for grandiose socialist schemes, such as a Federal EU.

[edit on 13/9/08 by stumason]

The Daily Telegraph are reporting up to 45 MPs are prepared to go public over this. But the morning papers make a united, truthful and obvious statement:

Brown must tell them to "put up or shut up" i.e he calls a leadership contest and faces his demons.

Will it happen? This is Gordon Brown we are talking about. The man has the same democratic principles as the Soviet Union and respect for Parliament as that of Robert Mugabe.

reply to post by stumason

"Thatcher did bad things, granted, but didn't the "poll tax" just become "council tax" and no one blinked? "
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No, it didn't. Here in Liverpool there was demonstrations, organised refusal to pay were solicitors actually gave up their time to help those who couldn't pay. No one blinked!!! The Poll Tax caused a nationwide revolt! At the time there were four people living in my house which paid annually 600 to 700 pound council tax. When Thatcher introduced the Poll tax each one of us was expected to pay £670. Do the math!
However, I do agree withyou over the IRA and applaud your feelings about the bombings.

Originally posted by Abes79
JABBA THE HUT WAS NEVER ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE OF BRITAIN HE IS NOT RECOGNISED AS OUR PRIMEMINISTER THIS PIECE OF # IS NOT FIT TO RUN A BROTHELL

I see the resemblance to Jabba The Hutt too. Infortunately he is recognised as our Prime Minister! Thats the whole point. Would you have voted for him knowing what he did to us when he was the Chancellor of the Exchequer? Of course you wouldn't.
I don't think British people realise what a terrible state we are in.