The Unspeakable Truth of 9/11 (undeniable facts concerning 911)

There a two 911 threads I am on, perhaps my last is good here as well:

[Whats a truther..did they label themselves.
Bizarro world for government liars.. they see planes but can't see UFOs.

The WTC melted but can't find free energy.
Free Energy does exist and the WTC needed explosives.

We get waste energy and its dumped on us.
Learn what a lie is and turn the government around.
]

Perhaps there are too many government liars as we perceive them.

reply to post by TeslaandLyne


Hu?

Dude it might be time to switch dealers.
I have no idea what you just said.
Could you dumb it down for me?

You do not think there is such a thing as a Government Liar.

But you think there is such a thing as a 911 Truther?

I dont know what to believe when it comes to the whole explosives/ no explosives, arguments that go on and on and on and on .....
But what I do believe is that the American government had prior knowledge to these planned attacks, they then weighed up the pros and the cons (considering that the government is owned and run by war profiteers). My logical guess is that they decided to let the attacks go ahead, after which they could now impliment anything they liked under the guise of anti-terror. Too many anomolies happened the day of the attacks, too many to accept as coincidences. Im sorry but your government DOES NOT care about YOU, all the government cares about is control and power, in a way, everybody are already slaves and the government has done a great job shielding you from knowing this. I mean which would be the most productive scenario-
1.A slave who works not knowing he/she is a slave or
2.A slave who works knowing he/she is a slave.

Someone mentioned revolution, judging by the amount of people blindly following whatever candidates their given by either party, and the amount of people following someone actually telling the people the truth (Ron Paul), Im guessing there's a lot more work to do before you would even consider taking down a manipulative, rich, powerful government, capable of doing anything, A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G!
What I dont understand is why so many pro- government people trust in something so obviously corrupt. I mean no doubts? no doubts whatsoever???

reply to post by kcfusion


It is all to telling how easy it is for someone living outside of this country to see how corrupt our gov't is but the people as a whole have no clue.
But boy are they "Patriotic" whatever that means. WTF DOES that mean anyway? Patriotic? Same as "FAITH" an exuse not to have to think for yourself.

[edit on 13-9-2008 by cbass]

Originally posted by cbass
So am I to understand that you actually buy the official version of 911?
Cuz if you do I have some wonderful oceanside property in Arizona that you may be interested in.

And as I have pointed out oh, so many times on ATS..."truthers" are so blinded by their hatred of the United States that they are unable to accept it when you give them proof that their "beliefs" are wrong.

reply to post by Swampfox46_1999


I was simply asking a question. Do you believe the official story of everthing that happened on 911?

No I don't hate my country. I think it has a wonderful consitution and bill of rights. That is what my country is. Those documents. I do not hate those documents(if it is indeed possible to hate paper).

Yes I do hate my gov't and most people who represent it. Those two are not the same. YOu are allowed to dislike your pastor or priest without hating GOD. Well at least I am. You may not have the ability to separate the two.

reply to post by LiquidMirage



I'm just wondering if you could make Obama in your photo any more black?Perhaps a bone through his nose or a spear in his hand(sarcastic comment)

on topic-Muslims didnt plan this,they may have been on the planes but that was the plan.The perfect scape goat for the powers to be to stick their grubby oil and blood soaked hands into the middle east soil

The main thing that clinches it for me is Bin Laden denied involvement in his video after the attack.If he did plan it,he would have boasted right from the start.Of course in later(cough)vids he does!

There are also too many clips of people on that day saying they heard bombs going off,including the basement-I remember one brave fire man saying how it sounded like a demolition going off.

Someone rigged the towers with explosives long before this and used the planes as cover for them falling down like a house of cards.The people in the planes were long since dead as were the pilots who died from oxygen starvation as the planes computers flew them into the towers

Norad was as usefull as a chocolate tea pot that day too!

These things can be covered up,as was the shooting down of TWA800 by a Missile.I remember on that day eye witnesses saying they saw a missile heading towards the plane-funny enough later you never hear about it!

If the evil muslims realy did this then there idiots,as they would have known right from the start that an attack of this scale would have resulted in the worlds greatest military power gearing up to eradicate them and their familes.The only people who have done well out of this is Western companies now operating in Iraq and Afganistan with their greedy lil eyes set on persian gold later

Originally posted by cbass
So,like I was saying, I only know what I see with my own eyes and here with my own ears.

With my eyes I saw Silversteen and with my ears I heard him say We made the decision to pull the building.

You may want to check your eyes and ears again:
Here is the comment:
"'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse."

Here is the video/audio
www.youtube.com...

Now if I am not mistaken, THEY made the decision to "pull".
Notice: "They" =/= "We". Who is they? Answer below:

Beginning of comment:
"I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire,"

So lets put on our critical thinking AND our reading comprehension caps and lets answer the question. Who made the decision to pull? They! Who is "they"? The Fire Department Commander (and staff).

So, is the FDNY Commander responsible for "pulling" (demo-ing) WTC7? Or is he responsible for PULLING fire fighters out of WTC7? Lets see what the fire fighters said about that:
Hayden: "Yeah, we had to pull everybody back. It was very difficult.......
We pulled everybody back probably by 3 or 3:30 in the afternoon. "

Now are you intentionally misquoting him and taking it out of context? And if so, WHY?

reply to post by GenRadek


They made the decision to pull the building. Thats right.
The point is that you cannot make the decision to pull a building and then turn around and pull it on the same day. But then you already knew that didn't you?

reply to post by cbass


I can feel your anger from all the way over here, and yes you have every right to be angry. Feel free to vent your frustration but one has to remember that the majority of your people are too busy trying to make a living, provide for families, basically survive. Having the means to support you and your family is one of the best control structures I know of. So of course when it comes to election time, people are so "trained" by their everyday lives and surviving, that they want someone who will promise to make things that effect their everyday lives better, lower taxes, wage increases, public funding etc etc unwittingly not knowing that it is actually the structures themselves that need renewing, replacing, re - authoritised by intelligent people who only have the best interests of every single person in their country! These people who have to work so hard at surving, have their perspective controlled by the structures in place around them and thus Candidates with fruity ideas about complete changes of everything are sidelined for those who promise specific things that relate directly to this peoples lives. All the government does is sit back and take the Roy Orbison approach.... Anything you Want! You Got it, Anything at all! You Got it .............

So whos fault is it really?

[edit on 13-9-2008 by kcfusion]

I was simply asking a question. Do you believe the official story of everthing that happened on 911?

For the most part, yes. Are there some unanswered questions? Sure. There are ALWAYS some questions that just do not have answers. However, those questions really do not affect the overall story of what happened that day.

Some questions that will never have complete answers..

1. The exact mechanics of how the buildings failed.

But, we know that inspections prior to 9/11 showed that the floor trusses of both towers were missing large amounts of the brittle fireproof coating (much more brittle than the asbestos that was discontinued during construction. We know that the impact of the airliners severed quite a bit of the exterior support of both towers. Remember, there were not any interior load bearing walls, it was the floor trusses running from the core supports to the exterior wall. We know from photographic evidence that floors were sagging increasing the stress on the already damaged frame. We know that the fires created from jet fuel, plastics (carpets and computers), chemicals (plenty of janitor rooms in both buildings) and floor tiles will burn well over 1,000 degrees. We know that steel starts to lose its strength at the temps that were present that day.

We can infer that on both towers, the central core suffered heavy damage as well based on the facts that in one tower, all three stairwells were impassable above the impact point and in the other tower, two of the staircases were damaged. All six of the staircases were within the cores of the towers, their being damaged to the point they were impassible strongly suggests that the cores were damaged.

So, do we know exactly which beams-trusses gave way first? No. Does it really matter? Not really, because there is NEVER going to be an exact answer. No one survived that was there to see the collapse from the inside as it started. Although, I would strongly advise against building another tower that did not have interior load bearing walls. If that means you only go up 900 feet or so, so be it.

2. Whether or not Flight 77 was on the North or South side of the Citgo station?

Again, does not matter, we have enough evidence that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon that it really does not matter if it was north, south or right over the Citgo station.

3. My only question about Flight 93, is, did the passengers manage to maim/kill a couple of the hijackers prior to the flight crashing?

Does it affect the story? No.

4. Just what damage occured when WTC 1 collapsed into WTC 7?

From all the witness statements about the exterior damage to 7 and the fact they could see a distinct lean to it, would suggest heavy damage. Again, I would advise against the structure as built for the ConEd substation that was there. I would hate to think that just that one beam being damaged would cause a collapse, but from the evidence we have....it did. So scratch that as a design.


Does any of the above change the story? No, but I can understand why some would prefer that it had to be Americans that planned and executed the attack. Because if it wasnt Americans, then you must accept it was a dedicated bunch of Islamic fanatics that took the time to study us and find our weaknesses. For some, that would be an exceptionally scary thought that we could be hurt that bad by....them.


[edit on 13-9-2008 by Swampfox46_1999]

The people in the planes were long since dead as were the pilots who died from oxygen starvation as the planes computers flew them into the towers

One little bitty problem. We have the phone calls, made from the phones on those particular jets, showing that crew/passengers were alive and awake.

Originally posted by cbass
reply to post by TeslaandLyne

 

What if My Good buddy was the Sheriff and the crime scene was blocked off and important evidence was whisked away never to be seen again?

That could never happen because, in the minds of the official story believers, conspiracies don't exist.

reply to post by cbass


But the decision to pull was based on pulling fire fighters (ie the fire fighting contingent) from WTC7. NOT blowing it up. No one demoed anything on that day, no one heard any sequences of demo charges going off prior to collapse. And of course, you cant order to demo a building the same day. Ergo, it was not demoed, nor did anyone say to demo it, nor did anyone give any orders to blow it up, so why are you saying it was ordered by LS and he admitted to it when he clearly didnt?

But the only pulling done involving a building and demolition was WTC5 and 6. And they were pulled down with cables. NOT explosives.

You are twisting the words of LS from his quote to make it seem as if he admitted to it. So in effect, you are lying here. No where in the quote does it hint he ordered a demo, nor does it hint that anyone else made a decision to pull. Only in the minds of those that are DESPERATE to find something sinister. You cant squeeze blood out of a turnip.

reply to post by GenRadek


I only know what I heard with my own two ears. "maybe the smartest thing to do is pull IT" No matter how much you would like it to , those words will NOT go away. "IT" is not a person or group of people "IT" is a building.

I only know what I heard. Apparently you don't want to hear... or see.
Here is a link so that you can hear what I heard.Pull It

Damn it just won't go away. "They made the decision to pull it" Damn my lyin ears. I thought he just said "They made the decision to pull it"
Damn there it was again. GO away so I can fall back asleep.

just watched this video on this thread

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I know its off topic slightly been that it is mainly about ufos, but i feel there are alot of things in there that apply to what we are taking about and dealing with at this current moment in time. Its only 9 mins long dont worry but it should really hit some truths home about your government.

[edit on 13-9-2008 by kcfusion]

reply to post by kcfusion


Thanks for the link.
And thanks for reassuring me that my gov't is a piece of $hit.
None of us will ever know the truth because we think we already do.
No matter how many times you tell the debunkers that evidence suggests strongly that our parents were putting the presents under the tree all along they just won't hear of it. They will provide endless amouts of good reliable sorces and mounds of evidence that
"Santa Clause will be on time this year as always kiddos nothing to see here, move along".
There is no santa clause im sorry. No amount of "evidence will ever make me believe the an old fat man with a bunch of flying deer brings presents to every GDDAMN house in the world.
And when you ask a solid question like

"hey how does he get into our house if we don't have a fireplace"
they will inevitably give you some canned answer.
" Oh honey don't you worry, he will just come thru the door."
"What if the door is locked?"
"OH santa has a magick lock pick set that can open any door in the world".
I mean what is more likely here folks? the story you were told and bought hook line and sinker or the fact that there is no GDDAMN SAnta Clause?

I didn't want to have to be the one to break it to you debunkers but I'm sure you will find a way to debunk the fact that there is no gddamn santa clause.

reply to post by cbass


Pull it, as in, pull the fire fighting operation out. I dont think he means "You know, we've lost so many people so far, lets just blow up the building instead." Uhhh no. I know what he said. I Know who he was talking to. You are now implying that the FDNY blew it up. I dont even want to get into the specifics of how wrong that assumption is or how impossible that would have been.

A few questions to ask yourself:
Why would the FDNY be calling LS about WTC7, if as you claim, it was already rigged? Why go and ask LS for the "order" to demo his own building? Why should LS give him the go ahead if he already knows about the pre-planted charges? Why even bother to do so?
Why "blow it up" 7 HOURS after the first two Towers collapsed? Doesnt make sense.
If the charges werent planted earlier, then you mean to tell me that they ran in a whole special demo team, right into a burning, shifting, leaning, creaking building that could collapse any minute, to set demo explosives on multiple floors' columns, and get them all out within 2-3 hours with not a single soul noticing it? It must be a whole new world record.
And where were the sounds of these charges going off prior to collapse?Not a soul ever mentions it, and you cant mask or miss the sound of dozens of charges going off in sequence. You just can't.

reply to post by GenRadek


You're so right.
I fire borought that bldg down in its own footprint.lol
Come on man!!!! WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!
A FIRE?
A bldg fire brought down a steelframe bldg in its own footprint????
I feel so stupid.
See my Santa Clause thread lol.