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Originally posted by Boone 870
That sure shoots down his "vectored after takeoff" theory. It looks like Reheat and pale were both right when they said it was a departure instruction and not a vector.
I'm starting to understand why Rob rarely offers opinions. They always come back and bite him in the butt.
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by AJ_Frost
What does the 1333 mean in the lower right of the ATC Strip?
Answer: Wheels Off time
Errmmmm....you're a pilot, or aren't you?
I've never heard 'wheels off'....it's always been "Wheels Up"
Figure out how to spell Jeppesen yet?
Please quote directly where Cap'n Bob claimed "vectored after takeoff" as your quotes suggest.
09:28:35: (Tape 7982 B1B, Arrival Radar) Gopher 06, released Link
Originally posted by Reheat
Hay AJ, I have a question directly related to this topic. The reason for your beliefs are based on "professional authority" or so you indicate.
Your "professional authority" seems to be Cap'n King Air of pffft. If he is so "professional" why does he not have an Airline Transport Pilot Rating (ATP)?
Why is he not employed by a major airline? Have you bought all of his excuses?
He refers to a long list of names, but none of them ever say anything or appear in print.
Show your stuff.
The first waypoit takes route of flight further north, further confirming the fact a south of DCA vector was highly unlikely.
GVE/MOL/LDN/IAD/CSN/
JERES/BUFFR/AML
118.95 / 257.2
Left turn heading 270, maintain 3,000, expect vectors (assigned route/fix), expect (filed altitude) 10 minutes after departure..
... NOTE: Aircraft assigned a 270 heading shall be instructed by Tower to complete the turn within 3 DME of ADW VORTAC and cross the 180 radial of DCA VOR or a point 8 DME west of ADW VORTAC at 3,000 feet.
Originally posted by Reheat
Well, let's organize a "pity party" for those who are unable to support their delusions that the 84th RADES data is fake.
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Originally posted by trebor451
How did Gopher06 get to Shanksville if not able to transition NY Airspace?
Answer:?
By not flying through or towards NY airspace. That would mean a Camp Springs 1 departure, west (270) until it cleared DC airspace, then a northwest vector to join J-518.
First RADES data hit on Gopher 06 was 0932:26 at the departure end of runway 01. Backing that up for a heavy C-130 departure roll to wheels-off would make brakes off at approximately 0928 or 29.
As far as getting to Shanksville, J-518, once it is outbound/westbound from BUFFR, is not in NY airspace, but I wouldn't expect a non-pilot to know that.
Find a H-12 IFR Enroute High Altitude Chart and look up where BUFFR is and where J-518 westbound heads. The southwest corner of ZNY is BUFFR. Everything west of that point is ZOB, Cleveland ARTCC.
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9:06: The FAA bans takeoffs of all flights bound to or through the airspace of New York Center from airports in that Center and the three adjacent Centers — Boston, Cleveland, and Washington. This is referred to as a First Tier groundstop and covers the Northeast from North Carolina north and as far west as eastern Michigan.
9:08: The FAA bans all takeoffs nationwide for flights going to or through New York Center airspace.
It is not in dispute that a left turn occured, it is just a matter of when. ANC witnesses as filmed on location by CIT, statements from the pilot, combined with morning rush hour arriving into DCA all point to a later turn.
Offical Govt Story believers are attempting to convince others the turn occured earlier, crossing morning traffic into DCA, have no witnesses to the effect, and O'Brien himself never claimed to have crossed south of DCA.
post by AJ_Frost
It is not in dispute that a left turn occured, it is just a matter of when. ANC witnesses as filmed on location by CIT, statements from the pilot, combined with morning rush hour arriving into DCA all point to a later turn.
Offical Govt Story believers are attempting to convince others the turn occured earlier, crossing morning traffic into DCA, have no witnesses to the effect, and O'Brien himself never claimed to have crossed south of DCA.