The Big NASA-Military Cover-up On Gravity And Atmosphere On The Moon!

Micrometeor showers over a considerable span of years would be just like taking very fine sandpaper on a rough rock. If you use such a fine sand paper on said rough rock long enough, you can eventually get that rock smooth.....tho it would take alot of sandpaper!!!

Its an analogy for those about to blow their top to what I just said.

The millions of years of micrometeor showers are the fine sandpaper, and are the reason why the hills look so smooth, not because of an atmosphere.

Now I dont have any opinion on if the Moon has an atmosphere or not. Really doesnt matter that much considering we are not up there in this day and age with moonbases and mining operations and colonies like we could have had the space program were allowed to continue at the pace it was before its dramatic fallback in 73.


Cheers!!!!

reply to post by The Matrix Traveller


The tires were not pneumatic, they were wire mesh.

The wheels, manufactured by Goodyear, consisted of a spun aluminum hub and a 32 inches (81 cm) diameter, 9 inches (23 cm) wide tire made of zinc coated woven 0.033 inches (0.84 mm) diameter steel strands attached to the rim and discs of formed aluminum. Titanium chevrons covered 50 percent of the contact area to provide traction. Inside the tire was a 25.5 inches (65 cm) diameter bump stop frame to protect the hub

en.wikipedia.org...

I never programmed an 1802 (I believe it was RCA) but I did some low level coding on a Z80 (8 bits!). The Apollo computers were purpose built. They did not use a single microprocessor but had instead thousands of IC's. en.wikipedia.org...

The Mars rovers move very slowly and cautiously. Move a bit, stop, wait to see what happened, move again (maybe).

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Thank you very much for the information.

Yes you are correct the 1802 processor was an RCA product Hell I must be getting old.... LOL...

Thank you once again for All.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Phage

 

The tires were not pneumatic, they were wire mesh.

The wheels, manufactured by Goodyear, consisted of a spun aluminum hub and a 32 inches (81 cm) diameter, 9 inches (23 cm) wide tire made of zinc coated woven 0.033 inches (0.84 mm) diameter steel strands attached to the rim and discs of formed aluminum. Titanium chevrons covered 50 percent of the contact area to provide traction. Inside the tire was a 25.5 inches (65 cm) diameter bump stop frame to protect the hub

en.wikipedia.org...

I dunno, I still think that frame# KSC-371C-170-10 shows something that suspiciously appears like a valve stem (complete with surrounding grommet at its base) on the interior rim/hub of the LRV wheel. I cannot find anything in the available literature related to the LRV or its wheels to account for what this is and why it is there

(Sorry, but I don't know how to embed an image directly here gang).

Enlarged crop of frame KSC-371C-170-10 with comparison examples


Here is a direct link to the original archive frame.
www.spacearchive.net...

By itself this may not prove anything, but it is still something worth having a gander at in my opinion. I would like an explanation for it, because as I say, I have come up blanks identifying what it is.

Cheers gang (Great thread BTW).

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I am with you on this one, as there are many things that are too suspect
I was around at the Time, in the 60's, And it wasn't convincing then and is a lot less now as time passes!

I am Not convinced that humankind went to the moon, in a fire belching pile of old Space Junk! Hell I've sat in a Mig fighter which was one the fastest pile of aluminium and rivets from earth and if their technology was anything like a Lada (mechanical nightmare), or the technology of the USA sorry about that, no offence intended, you wouldn't catch me in that sardine can.

The odds in getting there would be very slim, let alone getting back.

How was the moon buggy transported to the surface anyway?

Inside the craft or outside it?

I can see it now being carried down the ladder on a shoulder... LOL...

How did it get through that little hatch! LOL...

Was there any room to put it in the craft and how did they assemble it up there if it was packaged in a compact way.

Looking at the size of the buggy and the size of the craft there appears to be something very very wrong. How the Hell did they get it inside with all the other gear required.

Computer systems weren't compact in those days and much more power was required!

I am yet to be convinced about the propulsion and the whole balance and control of the craft it would be far worse than trying to control a helicopter which is like trying to stand on a ball in a swimming pool.

Hell trying to fly that pile of junk would be like trying to balance on a pole trying to float upright on its end in a swimming pool... LOL.

Either they were extremely brave, naive or foolish, or perhaps just average Actors on the NASA film set Stage.

With a little help in another way perhaps but even this Idea I am Not convinced.

Why the hell haven't they gone back its been near 38 years!

What happened to the moon bases the US and Russia were going to build before 2,000???

Personally I think the so called space exploration thing is the greatest deception on mankind.

I have heard of Hollywood and I think another Studio was NASA!

The older these films get, and the more that it is discovered, seams to show only very, very, poor special effects, by an ever aging NASA film Company.

But eventually the truth always comes out.

What ever that may be.

The Universe is teaming with life!

But why is the public brain washed into believing, we are the only ones in space????

The whole thing is barbaric to say the least.

Perhaps we are in a zoo but for what reason.

Food????

Or as toys by a few misguided individuals???

Or are we just a genetic pool for breading hybrids????

Now I personally don't believe this!

But we certainly are Not being told...........??#$*&@))?:"@#


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I see the buggy was a fold up job but look at the size of it how the hell did they get it through the very very small hatch?

Man what an over engineered monstrosity I think we design better ourselves with regard to our quad bikes and small cars!

Just look at the instrument panel...

What is all the high teach for?

Public show??

After all its only a buggy, there is more instrumentation than a Mig Fighter for crying out loud... ..LOL

Originally posted by The Matrix Traveller
How was the moon buggy transported to the surface anyway?
Inside the craft or outside it?
I can see it now being carried down the ladder on a shoulder... LOL...

Good point! Haven’t seen any photos of them assembling the buggy on the surface! But I did see a photograph of an astronaut throwing something down which looked like a large duffle bag. I can’t seem to find it now. It could be part of a knocked down kit for assembling the buggy. But the point here is WHY ARE THERE NO PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE BUGGY BEING ASSEMBLED on the surface?

Computer systems weren't compact in those days and much more power was required!

Yep! There was then a little more computing power than a hand held Casio calculator. But they landed on the Moon….and back!

But the Apollo computers were different. The AGC (Apollo Guidance Computer), built by Raytheon, used a unique form of Read Only Memory (ROM) known as "rope core memory" to store its operating programs, which was sufficient for the mission. Computer intensive tasks were performed by much bigger ground based systems.

Since the AGC flew with imperfect software, the solution was extensive astronaut training in simulators. To complete a mission, some 10,500 DSKY keystrokes were required. Still, the astronauts reported that interacting with the AGC was intuitive and simple, even remarking that incorrect keystrokes "just felt wrong." The AGC could also receive commands from earth-based computers via a telemetry channel, allowing in-flight adjustments to be made. Lastly, the mission could also be flown using two other on-board systems an inertial navigation unit and an optical one.

But all said and done it was quite an achievement with that little toy! Or were our ‘friends’ involved in any way? Or a secret ongoing space program using back engineered technology? Check it out here:

The Top Secret US Military Space Program. Is The Future Already Here?

I do believe with certainty that we did go to the Moon but not in the way we have been led to believe. There’s more than meets the eye here!

Cheers!






ed-thelen.org...

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I would call it pretty impressive engineering. But what do I know?
www.hq.nasa.gov...

Deployment demonstration
history.nasa.gov...

Timelapse of the Apollo 15 deployment
history.nasa.gov...

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As to alien activity on the moon it is more than likely.

For cooperating with human kind it is possible but I would say if it is the case then humankind will have very little say in anything.

More educational and control of the human race...

You may find many aliens will be millions of years ahead of humans.

There will be interests in the earth but no what humans want or expect...

There is a connection with governing bodies on earth but it is more the case of we aliens require you to this or that???

I don't think right now the general population of earth can handle the truth but I believe in the near future this situation will change....

It will be a case of having to adapt to the reality that the universe experience is swarming with life.

As for the moon, don't be surprised if there are many bases seen and unseen by the human eye.


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What's your thoughts on this alien stuff?

Is it real or just fantasy?

Any real proof of either case?

I would love to know your thoughts.

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You think your lack of understanding regarding the engineering behind the lunar rover is evidence that it's fake? I don't even know where to begin at trying to understand your train of thought.




Anyway, even if the tires on the lunar rover had been pneumatic, space is only about 14.7 PSI lower than air pressure at sea level, and I keep my bike tires at 40 PSI. My bike tires would do fine if I inflated them to 25 PSI, and then brought them into space, were it not for the temperature extremes things tend to experience in space. I'd expect a car tire kept at ambient pressure before being taken into a vacuum would not suffer any for it.

Originally posted by The Matrix Traveller
reply to post by Phage

 

What's your thoughts on this alien stuff?

Is it real or just fantasy?

Any real proof of either case?

I would love to know your thoughts.

I've seen nothing which I consider evidence, much less proof, of alien habitation on the Moon. I consider it unlikely in the extreme.

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Yes it is a fake...LOL.

My questions to all amounted to this...

Its quite simple...

What is the size of the whole buggy?
What size was the craft on the moon?

Yes the buggy was folded up!

How big was the Entry Hatch to the Craft?

Big enough to pas the whole buggy through?


Did they lift it down the ladder or just toss it out through the hatch?

I think it is a very good question to compare The size of the Craft and the buggy!

Check it out!

How much space was on the craft, and how big the buggy was, or don't people want to find the truth?

By seeing photos of the occupants, and the size of the craft, it appears way too small, to house the moon buggy as well...

We manufacture electric Quad bikes and small electric cars!
So I guess I don't know very much about these things????

What is all the instrumentation for on the buggy?

I mean the instrument panel...

Just asking and not looking for an argument...


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Originally posted by Phage
I've seen nothing which I consider evidence, much less proof, of alien habitation on the Moon. I consider it unlikely in the extreme.

Here's something I found some time ago whilst scouring the images from the Lunar Orbiter, that would perhaps set you thinking...


Parallel 'tracks' on the Moon photographed by the Lunar Orbiter.
Those 'tracks' were there even before any Lunar Rover was landed on the Moon!

And of course, we have this pic which is pretty intriguing! All from here...

Uncensored NASA Moon Images!!




I have an open mind but not too much so as to allow muck to waft in!

Cheers!

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Thanks phage! That's what I remembered seeing somewhere but couldn't find again! So yeah! That's the buggy being assembled!

Cheers!

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I love these photos...

Why is humankind so frightened of the Alien community?

After all humankind are half breed aliens anyway...

Excellent work there mikesingh!

Keep up the good Work...

Yes as time goes on the truth comes out!!

And no one has given the reason for the change in plans by NASA, they were telling people on the earth they would have moon bases by the 21st Century! LOL..

reply to post by The Matrix Traveller


I think this post from Phage can clear some of your doubts, or maybe raise new ones.

Edited to add that this page has some links to documents about the Lunar Rovers, an interesting reading for those who are interested in it.

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Originally posted by Phage
Timelapse of the Apollo 15 deployment
history.nasa.gov...

One side-effect of that movie is that we can see how easily the astronauts picked up the rover and moved it about.

I think that if the Moon's gravity was 2/3 of that of the Earth, as some people think, they could have moved an object like that and with a weight (if I am not mistaken) of a little over 200kg.

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The parallel lines in lo3-72-h2c are of varied widths and are not completely parallel. There are some single lines. They have isolated ends. Some end abruptly and others just fade away. They look like rilles.

The "tower" is a play of light and shadow. There are similar effects in the same area where a ridge runs into deep shadow.

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Thanks for the Tip on rilles so I looked quickly at Wikipedia interesting stuff.

I noticed they talk about Lava flows, Gases are associated with Lava flows aren't they?

I know the ones in our country are pretty smelly in fact if you want to get close to some you need heat resistant suits and breathing equipment. I am aware the ol lungs don't like high temperatures but the gasses released are also poisons in some cases and little oxygen for obvious reasons.

This was just a thought regarding the possibility of any atmosphere...

But hey what a huge range of different "rills"

It looks like a lot of seismic activity has been or is on the moon...

Interesting stuff I only wish I had more time to look at all this in detail.

I manage to look now and then sometimes during the day while working while taking a coffee break and a little at night.



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