**New 9/11 docs destroy official story**

reply to post by 666Azrael666


It wasn’t a smart move to destroy ”evidence” that fast. But the problem was on that moment no one ever thought of a CT. The first thing on everybody’s mind was to clean up the city and rebuild asap.

I read different story’s, so I’m not sure if any is recovered or everything is gone. But NIST did take responsibility and made a report in the best way possible.

Of course it is missing facts. They say it them selves, there’s nothing they can do about that. The only thing they could do is try to get as close to the truth as possible.

Originally posted by 666Azrael666
reply to post by Stich2306

 

I think part of the problem is how easy it is to do drive by sniping here and ignore the parts you did not like to hear. I feel some of these people would fall apart in real human one on one conversation.

Agree to that.

Both sides will ignore lots of facts because they just don't have an answer. There is just a very small group that really did research (and I'm not one of them).

reply to post by Stich2306


Please do more research... I implore you. Get fired up about the things that matter. There is a mob running our lives and stealing our money!! Please... watch some of these videos. We need everybody on board here. That means you! It's blantant controlled demo, everything after that is a lie. You cant beleive a word of the official story once you can clearly see the buildings being imploded. Forget about the nonsense details, WE ARE BEING LIED TO! Debate over.
On with the discussion. Lets go people what are we gonna do about this? Are you still paying your income tax? Do you carry nothing conversations when these real issues are burning to come out? Be the weird guy. Be the hero. Lets solidify our beleifs in our actions. Not violent... thats not even rational. Just say no. Go to jail for this beleif... they cant lock us all up... people will begin to question the big authorities once everyone has truly had enough. Dont support this mob anymore. Im tired of it. You should be to. I know its scary, but its only gonna get worse, you know that.

Ok, ok... I am going to change after tonight... Im tired of my butchered writing. Gets to sound like rambling. And I really want you to hear me. Especially those like you, stich, no offense man, but do some research. This is serious and it concerns you. Listen to the facts, forget the parts that shady, look at the facts... The official story is unprovable and we are paying them to kill people based on that. Thats wrong...

Originally posted by Looking4LikeMindz
reply to post by Stich2306

 

Please do more research... I implore you. Get fired up about the things that matter. There is a mob running our lives and stealing our money!! Please... watch some of these videos. We need everybody on board here. That means you! It's blantant controlled demo, everything after that is a lie. You cant beleive a word of the official story once you can clearly see the buildings being imploded. Forget about the nonsense details, WE ARE BEING LIED TO! Debate over.
On with the discussion. Lets go people what are we gonna do about this? Are you still paying your income tax? Do you carry nothing conversations when these real issues are burning to come out? Be the weird guy. Be the hero. Lets solidify our beleifs in our actions. Not violent... thats not even rational. Just say no. Go to jail for this beleif... they cant lock us all up... people will begin to question the big authorities once everyone has truly had enough. Dont support this mob anymore. Im tired of it. You should be to. I know its scary, but its only gonna get worse, you know that.

Ok, ok... I am going to change after tonight... Im tired of my butchered writing. Gets to sound like rambling. And I really want you to hear me. Especially those like you, stich, no offense man, but do some research. This is serious and it concerns you. Listen to the facts, forget the parts that shady, look at the facts... The official story is unprovable and we are paying them to kill people based on that. Thats wrong...

Hi Looking4LikeMindz,

I've been reading all kind off sites, forums, report, documentaries and movies for about two years now. So I know pretty much about all the theories and all the proof available.

But, I didn’t do any research on my own, and I’m not going to. I’ve read lots of research from others and will continue to do so. Question to you. What did you find out on your own?

I won’t hide it. I’m on the believers side. I encourage all the effort of real truthers as long as they stay open minded. There are indeed still questions. But as long as they are questions, the answers are unknown. Look for the answers in what ever direction they might go. But I will not blame anyone for anything if there is no proof.

Originally posted by Looking4LikeMindz
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But I will not blame anyone for anything if there is no proof.

Do you see the paradox in what you are saying? So until someone can prove blame on our gov't you support the killing of "muslim terrorists"? Certainly if you choose to beleive the official story you condone the murdering of these murdering savages that are jealous of our freedom.

I see something very wrong in that stitch...

As for the research i've done "on my own". I have confirmed facts I seen in videos with multiple sites. Melting point of steel, bruning temperature of kerosene, things like that. But im not really gonna get much deeper than these guys with any feild work. If I had the money id rebuild a minuture WTC and recreate the situation of that day, to scale. Mythbusters?

Anyway, until they can prove that muslim extremists did it, im all about delaying killing possibly innocent people.

You get your loving benevolent father figure - gov't - to PROVE ITS STORY TO ME before they take billions of our dollars and kill people with it. The burden of proof is on them in this situation. Not on us.



[edit on 15-9-2008 by Looking4LikeMindz]

Originally posted by Looking4LikeMindz
Do you see the paradox in what you are saying? So until someone can prove blame on our gov't you support the killing of "muslim terrorists"? Certainly if you choose to beleive the official story you condone the murdering of these murdering savages that are jealous of our freedom.

I see something very wrong in that stitch...

As for the research i've done "on my own". I have confirmed facts I seen in videos with multiple sites. Melting point of steel, bruning temperature of kerosene, things like that. But im not really gonna get much deeper than these guys with any feild work. If I had the money id rebuild a minuture WTC and recreate the situation of that day, to scale. Mythbusters?

Anyway, until they can prove that muslim extremists did it, im all about delaying killing possibly innocent people.

You get your loving benevolent father figure - gov't - to PROVE ITS STORY TO ME before they take billions of our dollars and kill people with it. The burden of proof is on them in this situation. Not on us.

Whoo, hold it. Please don’t jump to conclusions yet.

I am behind the believers because, in my opinion, it’s the best possibility. Has it been proven? Not yet!

I’m not behind your government in any way. I’m from Europe, Holland. Most Europeans don’t support Bush or the war, but they do think 9-11 was done by terrorist. You don’t have to be a supporter of your government to be on the believers site.

So I agree whit you. It is very wrong to kill Muslims without very very very solid proof. Just as it was wrong for the second Gulf war.

Originally posted by Looking4LikeMindz
You get your loving benevolent father figure - gov't - to PROVE ITS STORY TO ME before they take billions of our dollars and kill people with it. The burden of proof is on them in this situation. Not on us.

Again I agree. But the problem is, they don’t have to do anything. Why should they. Because you don’t trust them? Do they even know you don’t trust them?

If you want to bring Bush to court, please do. You probably have complete Europe behind you.


[edit on 15-9-2008 by Stich2306]

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
No, not with the contridictions in thier reports and the debunking of the buidling 7 report.

It is painfully obvious that you are taking the a priori position that NISTs report cannot be authoritative and simply trying to rationalise this. Nobody has seriously challenged the WTC7 report, and only a couple of people have done more than look at it and disparage it.

Your "debunking" denies every potential theory, you then assume Controlled Demolition is the 'default explanation'. This is the Kent Hovind school of debate, but is not logically valid.

Originally posted by Stich2306
So just for me. How does this make any sense? The investigation can not be official because they failed to recover any steel. Strange enough, but ok. So why do you want a new investigation?

1. The NIST report on building is not a proper investaigation for many reasons, such as becasue they are not an official investigating agency with authority and they did not recover steel for testing.

2. I do not want a new investigation unless the FBI and NTSB official crime scene reports are proven wrong or are debunked.

Originally posted by exponent Nobody has seriously challenged the WTC7 report, and only a couple of people have done more than look at it and disparage it

Its already been proven that the NIST report has been debunked for many reasons. Such as,

1. They are not an official investigating agency and have no real authority.

2. They have not done a proper investigation due to the fact that they failed to recover any steel for testing.

reply to post by ULTIMA1



You are very very wrong.

NIST is definately authorized:
Not required, but definately authorized.

wtc.nist.gov...

NIST is a nonregulatory agency of the U.S. Department of Commerce's Technology Administration. The purpose of NIST investigations is to improve safety and structural integrity of buildings in the United States, and the focus is on fact finding.NIST investigative teams are authorized to assess building performance and emergency response and evacuation procedures in the wake of any building failure that has resulted in substantial loss of life or that posed significant potential of substatntial loss of life.

NIST does not have the statutory authority to make findings of fault or negligence by individuals or organizations.

Where are you getting all of your bad research information, ULTIMA1?

Originally posted by gavron
Where are you getting all of your bad research information, ULTIMA1?

From you own source for 1.

NIST does not have the statutory authority to make findings of fault or negligence by individuals or organizations

NIST is not a official investigating agency for 9/11. In case you forgot the FBI and NTSB are the investigating agencies by law.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
Its already been proven that the NIST report has been debunked for many reasons.

Which theories or reports have not been debunked?

Originally posted by exponent
Which theories or reports have not been debunked?

Well the FBI and NTSB crims scene reports have not been debunked, but they have not been released yet.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

NIST does not have the statutory authority to make findings of fault or negligence by individuals or organizations

Do you understand that sentence, ULTIMA1?

I'm guessing not, so let me put it in simpler terms for you.

The NIST investigation basically cannot point their finger and say something like "the elevators made by XYZ company were faulty". However, they can say "The elevators were faulty".

Do you understand the difference now? I can simplify it even more for you if needed.

Nevertheless, the NIST was authorized to do their investigation. Your information was false.

[edit on 15-9-2008 by gavron]

Originally posted by gavron
Do you understand that sentence, ULTIMA1?

Yes it means that NIST has no real authority.

Not like the FBI and NTSB.

reply to post by ULTIMA1


No authority? Please have someone read this to you...

wtc.nist.gov...

NIST investigative teams are authorized to assess building performance and emergency response and evacuation procedures in the wake of any building failure that has resulted in substantial loss of life or that posed significant potential of substantial loss of life.

NIST investigative teams are authorized...

Please do more research before saying things that are completely wrong.

[edit on 15-9-2008 by gavron]

Originally posted by gavron
Please have someone read this to you...

NIST does not have the statutory authority to make findings of fault or negligence by individuals or organizations.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by exponent
Which theories or reports have not been debunked?

Well the FBI and NTSB crims scene reports have not been debunked, but they have not been released yet.

So you don't subscribe to any theory?

reply to post by ULTIMA1



Finding of fault by individuals or organizations...

It is obviously you are playing dumb, because this information proves you wrong again. It is ok though, other forum readers can see the evidence themselves.

Keep trying though