Obama The Sexist: You Can Put Lipstick On A Pig

This sounds to me like the Al Sharpton "pot calling the kettle black" incident.
Where ignorant people will find racism/sexism/ageism/whatever where they want to see it.

But the fact that supposedly grown up people are using phrases like this and schoolyard name-calling in their 'election campaigns' is yet more proof NO-ONE deserves to have people vote for them.

Point me toward ANY mature-minded politician who isn't purely in it for themselves and I'll eat my underpants.

[edit on 10-9-2008 by AGENT_T]

Health care?

Education?

Foreign policy?

No, we argue semantics and poke jabs at each other's viewpoints based off what we THINK the candidates mean when they speak.

It really DOESN'T matter who wins this election. The issues are so far down on peoples' priority lists that we might as well just elect a monkey president (then again we would have arguments over the right for the monkey to throw its own poop, arguments about the right way to throw poop, and how much poop is too much poop).

Sigh.

IN MY OPINION -

Obama knew exactly what he was saying and he definately was trying to bring in Govenor Palins 'lipstick' joke. Obama played the crowd and the crowd responded. THEY knew exactly what he was saying and they approved.

I base my opinon on the fact that Obama has pulled this stuff before.

- He did that rapper 'brush the shoulders off' thing in reference to Hillary Clinton. The crowd responded exactly the same way to that as they did to Obama making the 'lipstick' comment.

- He 'gave the finger' to Hillary while making a speech one day. (look it up on You Tube) He knew what he was doing then too. His dramatic pause at that time and the way the crowd reacted was just the same as during his 'lipstick' comment.

IMHO -

- He knew exactly what he was doing.

- He definately was trying to tie in the Palin lipstick comment.

- All three times the crowd knew exactly what he was doing and they responded with loud applause and approval.

- He denied it on both previous occasions and he'll deny it now.

- The message he wanted to make will be totally lost because he did something stupid by insulting Govenor Palin with the 'lipstick' comment.

- IMHO He has a problem with dealing with women. He puts them down in a way that he doesn't do to men. Note what he did to Sen. Clinton. Now Gov. Palin. Oh .. and don't forget 'sweetie' - the woman who asked him a relevant question (and he never got back to her after brushing her off with that 'sweetie' comment)

This was made if reference to McCain being the candidate of change.

McCain is a republican insider. He has been a career politician.

For him to represent himself as a candidate of change.

Hence the reference....If you put lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig.


This was no reference to Palin.

Since we are discussing the comment, I thought you would all be interested to see how fast the McCain/Palin campaign has jumped on it.

Lipstick ad

Man .. they moved fast.

This is also being called swine-gate on some of the chat sites.

I haven't read through every post here, but was just reading on CNN how McCain has used this EXACT same sentence when he was referring to Hillary Clinton...

In Iowa last October, McCain drew comparisons between Hillary Clinton's current health care plan and the one she championed in 1993: "I think they put some lipstick on the pig, but it's still a pig." He used roughly the same line in May, after effectively claiming the Republican nomination.

McCain spokesman Brian Rogers told CNN the campaign saw a "big difference" between the two references: "McCain was referring to a policy proposal. Obama was referring to [Alaska] Gov. Sarah Palin. It's obviously disrespectful and offensive. ...

"Who has been talking about lipstick lately? It was obvious. The crowd went crazy because of it."

It wasn't the first time Obama used the line. In a phone interview with The Washington Post last September, he used it in reference to the situation in Iraq.

"I think that both Gen. [David] Petraeus and Ambassador [Ryan] Crocker are capable people who have been given an impossible assignment," Obama told the Post. "George Bush has given a mission to Gen. Petraeus, and he has done his best to try to figure out how to put lipstick on a pig."

Other politicians have also used the phrase in recent years, including Vice President Dick Cheney, Sen. Maria Cantwell of Washington state, Sen. James Inhofe of Oklahoma, Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, Rep. John Mica of Florida and Rep. Tom Tancredo of Colorado, among others.

Lipsick on a pig - Used by McCain, and others before

So before all you McCain supporters start bashing Obama about this, how about looking at your own candidate and what he has said in the past.

NEITHER of them were using it in a sexist way toward the other candidate...it's a saying that's been used many times in the past and will be used again....it's not sexist in any way, shape or form!

reply to post by Wildbob77
I didn't realize anyone had copyrighted the word "Change" for their personal use. To claim someone stole it from you is ridiculous. The real question is who represents "Real Change" in the White House the most.



[edit on 10-9-2008 by LLoyd45]

Originally posted by sensfan
So before all you McCain supporters start bashing Obama about this, how about looking at your own candidate and what he has said in the past.

McCain has also come up with some rather sexist remarks during his time in the public eye. There have also been many allegations that he has been less than gentlemanly toward his wife in public. (public humiliations and verbal downdressings).

BTW - I'm not a McCain supporter.

In general use the term 'lipstick on a pig' isn't aimed at anyone.

But in this case - at least from what I see - I definately think he aimed it at Govenor Palin. It's too bad that he said it because Obama might have had something else interesting to say and now that will be totally lost due to swine-gate.

Originally posted by maybereal11
Jam, Jamie, Lloyd...thanks for keeping this topic alive!

SO MANY people are trying to turn the focus of this election to petty issues like the economy, war, and how lobbyists buy and sell our government every day. It's great to see you guys keeping it real!

I appreciate your attempt at singling out individual posters and implying some type of partisanship,but this post is about Barack Obama and his remark, not John McCain, myself, Jamie, or Jam.

I have to wonder why you're trying to derail it..

[edit on 10-9-2008 by LLoyd45]

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by sensfan
So before all you McCain supporters start bashing Obama about this, how about looking at your own candidate and what he has said in the past.

McCain has also come up with some rather sexist remarks during his time in the public eye.

Yes. I outlined a few of them here.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Whoopsie! There is a great saying, if you live in a glass house don't throw stones. You guys aren't going to believe this so why don't you hear it straight from John McCains mouth:




I am sorry if this was already posted but maybe it's time for a refresher anyway.

Its just an expression! I am sure the loud cheering and laughter had NOTHING to do with Palin being compared to a pig. They laughed because they had heard that expression thousands of times before and the expression itself is so darn amusing.

Perhaps McCain should come back with similar light hearted humor and reply to Obama with the famous expression coined by Robert Benchley -- "The surest way to make a monkey of a man is to quote him."

Everyone would laugh good naturedly at that comment too, because it is an expression that has been used many times before.

INFORMATION that may be of interest -

News Busters has come up with information showing that not only did Obama steal that joke, but he stole a good part of the rest of his speech - from a political cartoon.

Edited to add - political cartoon from The Washington Post.

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Originally posted by LLoyd45

Originally posted by maybereal11
Jam, Jamie, Lloyd...thanks for keeping this topic alive!

SO MANY people are trying to turn the focus of this election to petty issues like the economy, war, and how lobbyists buy and sell our government every day. It's great to see you guys keeping it real!

I appreciate your attempt at singling out individual posters and implying some type of partisanship,but this post is about Barack Obama and his remark, not John McCain, myself, Jamie, or Jam.

I have to wonder why you're trying to derail it..

[edit on 10-9-2008 by LLoyd45]

I think a complete reading of my post will show it is both relevant and pertinent to the thread topic. If the McCain Campaign chooses to take issue with a simple expression of speech and call that expression sexist, despite McCain having said the EXACT SAME with regrds to Senator CLinton, then it is fair play to examine similiar sexist, more aggregious remarks made by Senator McCain.

And if given posters choose to champion such issues, then they should own the position they take.

No derailment...RIGHT ON TOPIC. Perhaps you should re-read my post.
www.abovetopsecret.com...


[edit on 10-9-2008 by maybereal11]

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reply to post by Sonya610


Brilliant post.

Like I said, is this the end of the world? No.

But it isn't Obama's finest hour either.

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reply to post by Alxandro


If he'd have said, "Put lipstick on a SOW then you'd have a decent thread.

A sow is a female pig.

Deny ignorance.

I LOLed at the remark; I thought it was refreshing.

Hmm, doesnt it seem like political spin here, we have McCain saying the exact same phrase, yet no one that is reaching for the torches to go after Obama is willing to comment on this.

So aparently it's sexist for Obama to say the phrase you can put lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig. Yet if McCain says it, it is clearly referring to a bad idea.

Or perhaps Obama is against Lipstick? "Vote McCain, he is not against Lipstick"

[edit on 9/10/2008 by whatukno]

Originally posted by maybereal11

No derailment...RIGHT ON TOPIC. Perhaps you should re-read my post.
www.abovetopsecret.com...


[edit on 10-9-2008 by maybereal11]

[edit on 10-9-2008 by maybereal11]

I read your post and I stand by my words. Apparently you and I have a difference of opinion regarding the matter. Calling out other posters by name is crossing the line on appropriate topic discussion in my opinion.

Originally posted by whatukno
Hmm, doesnt it seem like political spin here, we have McCain saying the exact same phrase, yet no one that is reaching for the torches to go after Obama is willing to comment on this.

As many others have pointed out here, when McCain made his statement Hillary Clinton had not made any reference to wearing lipstick, neither was her most famous sound bite from played 8 million times referencing her wearing of lipstick.

If Sarah Palin can reference herself as a pitbull with lipstick, then a pig with lipstick is (aesthetically speaking) somewhat of an improvement. That is, if Obama did in fact mean to refer to Palin in this way.
How come some people are so sure that what was said was meant in the way they interpret it? Looks to me like each pro or anti faction will seek the meaning they want to see ... its called being human ...I guess that in a week's time, something really important will have replaced the discussion on Obama's remarks ... a legal complaint from PALIN (Pigs Alliance in North America) ....