16 US troops commit suicide in Iraq

reply to post by SPC_D


Send me a shipping address and I'll send you a carton. And thank you for your service.....I do miss it so.....

Originally posted by jackinthebox
reply to post by justamomma

 

So please, before you come at the government of the United States of America, at least know what you are talking about.

Oh, come on now. Our own government has been selling out our Constitutional rights since the Civil War. And that IS their fault, not just a few corrupt leaders who managed to get in. Read bewteen the lines of textbook history to know what you're talking about.

I just get tired of hearing the generalized "government" being thrown around by those who choose to blame them as a whole, a lot of whom really did go in for the right reasons, for all the bad going on in the world.

It is the government. The whole damned system. Wether or not they got into it for the right reasons, every politician takes lobby money. Which makes them the sellouts that they are. Besides, in this day and age I find it hard to believe that there is a single politician out there who didn't go into politics knowing full well what it meant.

There are other governments who have officials that are just as involved in the corruption..

So what? There are some leaders who starve their people and commit genocide? Does that make it okay here in the States, so long as we remain "patriotic?"

I don't mean to sound snarky, but come on.



War usually is over either religion or reducing the population. Both most likely play apart here along with world domination. I dont mean that in a 'i want to rule the world way' but more in a way where world leaders believe their way is the right way - but as all cultures have different ideals on what the right way is you get conflict - war! Soldiers are to thier leaders part of thier strategical game - ever played command and conquer? The Leaders do have their peoples interest at heart i'm sure but their judgement will overule their countrys feelings if deemed necessary. Belief is a strong thing. You only have to look back in history to see how much relgion has affected and shaped the world. Have you ever read the Bible? If not i suggest you do or at least a good chunk of it. Then read the Jewish Bible. Look and sound familar - ah its the old testament. Then look how many other relgions have the same smilar story that has been told in different account or variation. Then look up greek, Egyptian, Sumerian, and even atlantis - most also tell the flood story. Then look at the war with diffrent eyes. As if you belong to no country - an outsider. Reflect on the beliefs and prophecies told in the relgions of the leaders of each country. Also look up Martial law?? And what it is considered an 'state of emergency for this to come into force. Then look up new world order.

Reflect

Look up the universe, laws of physics, alchemy, the mind.........

Reflect

The world is bigger than us, the universe is a wonder - We are a wonder. Dont waste your time argueing with each other over who's goevernemnt is right - in their eyes they are and there is n't much any of us can do about that. Open your eyes to the world and what is going on around you. Be amazed by how perfectly designed things appear to be when looked at closesly - those without an open mind just might as well just watch their favourite soap and stuff a another do-nut down them!


[edit on 9/9/0808 by jackinthebox]

You probably buy into the 9/11 conspiracy stuff too, don't you? Blatant anti-Americanism.



Whats wrong with questioning authority???

Slinging around the old (and popular) "Anti-American" line doesn't add much weight to your argument.







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reply to post by alienj

Your a jerk, if you knew anything you would know were not allowed to tell who or where they are at.

I think that you are at the top of the jerk list at the moment. If you were "not allowed to tell" then why did you jump in and lie that your brother was in a unit that he obviously is not?

My brother belongs to an airborne division, there are not many of them and they are all aware of each other...Should I mistakenly say which division he is in or even the location he can get into trouble.

No, you can tell anyone you want what division he is in. And if you had any idea of what the hell you were talking about, you would know that division insignia is emblazoned on their uniforms for all to see. I gave you the benefit of the doubt, mistakenly obviously, because you have now dug your own grave here on ATS. Your credibility is now zilch.

Take a moment and bash the people who try to instill fear into families that have loved ones over there.

Take a moment an apologize to me, right now, because I really do have a borhter over there you idiot.

reply to post by justamomma


Thanks for not being ticked at me. I see where you are coming from, but I just can't buy the excuse anymore that "there are some good people" in government, the police departments, etc. To be perfectly honest, I don't even care anymore. It's time for accountability. The "good people" had their chance and blew it. Now they should get out while they still can.

I told this very same thing to several of my family members who are lawyers and police officers. Because when the time comes, I won't hesitate to put them in the same grave as every other fascist.

Originally posted by jackinthebox
reply to post by justamomma

 

I told this very same thing to several of my family members who are lawyers and police officers. Because when the time comes, I won't hesitate to put them in the same grave as every other fascist.

Did you really say that?

That my friend, is creepy. Go seek help. Seriously. Or at least try and be a little more optimistic. Which ever is easier.

reply to post by MarkAkaSilent


The 16 soldiers did not commit suicude. The U.S. Government took them to experiment on them for mind control experiments such as for Radio-Hypnotic Intracerebral Control and Electronic Dissolution Of Memory. No Dead body ever turns into a 5,000 year old mummy after they use drugs. Bodies take days to decompose and the soldiers were found one day to the next !!!! SEE THIS LINK !!! www.youtube.com...

The airborne division, do you mean the 82 airborne division? The 57th unit, what is that? There was a 57th Regiment Infantry U.S. Colored Troops back in the civil war days, but somehow I think they are not around anymore. There is no 57th unit of any significant size in the U.S. Army. Units are designated by type, 57th infantry brigade, 57th aviation battalion for example. 57th unit makes no sense.

The lack of knowledge concerning the military on here is appalling. If you are going to routinely trash and vilify the military at least learn something about it.

This reminds me of what happened the night before-of Clinton's ordered invasion of Haiti. It was reported-alledged that a large number of Marines and Navy personel committed suicide on board a few ships almost imediately after they found out that they would be invading Haiti. Then, there was what happened in Kosavo to those US military personel who refused to wear the UN uniform as a matter of constitutionality. Then, there was the most recent defeat of the DOD's best leftist prosecutors from the San Fransisco area who tried to destroy those Marines who were wrongfully accused. Did you know that even after the government's case was lost or dropped for lack of evidence, the prosecutors appealled with the hopes of trying to prosecute or get a conviction in the case again from a more favorable federal judge. "There is something rotten in the state of Denmark." -HDCandela

That's an awful lot of people that "committed suicide". Maybe they saw something and were murdered to keep them quiet. Seems to be the new way now of getting rid of anyone that knows too much, having a "fatal accident" or "suicide".

Excellent site the quote below was taken from, there's more - Iraq is one of the "cradles of civilization" so much archaeological stuff over there not "yet discovered" what better way to hide evidence of mankind's true history than to destroy it. What better way to destroy everything than having a war. www.alienshift.com...

Ever since at least 1947, US based clandestine organizations have been engaged in the reverse engineering of downed ET spacecraft, and communicating with different ET races. The most prominent of the reverse engineering efforts of clandestine organizations have involved a race of ETs commonly described as ‘Grays’, similar in appearance to the ET’s depicted in Steven Spielberg’s famous movie, Close Encounters of the Third Kind. The technology possessed by the Grays was far advanced to anything possessed by humanity, and efforts began immediately to learn about and reverse engineer this technology. The content of Sitchin’s work describing an ancient ET race would most certainly have aroused the curiosity of these clandestine organizations in the US and elsewhere. The possibility that the Anunnaki described by Sitchin had attained a level of technological sophistication even more advanced than that attained by Grays was something that had to be seriously explored. Even more perplexing for clandestine organizations, was the idea that this advanced race could one day return to the Earth and again interact with humanity as they did in the remote past.It is very likely that various intelligence gathering efforts confirmed the validity of some if not most of Sitchin’s hypotheses. US and European clandestine organizations would undoubtedly have made it a top priority to gain access to these ancient ET sites in southern Iraq to learn about the advanced technology used by the Anunnaki. Furthermore, they would have been interested in learning more about the purported home world of the Anunnaki in case it did indeed return to the vicinity of the solar system in the near future.The problem, however, was that the Cold War still existed and Iraq was firmly in the Soviet sphere of influence. With the unlikelihood that Iraq would cooperate with US/European clandestine organizations in gaining access to these ancient ET sites, clandestine organizations in the US and Europe had a disturbing policy dilemma confronting them. If the international status quo remained, then at some point the Soviet Union might find these ET sites, and reverse engineer whatever technology existed and thereby eradicate whatever technological advantages the West might hold. Furthermore, if the home world of this race did return, then the Soviet Union would be best placed to respond to whatever contingencies this created.Given the above scenario, it would have been scarcely imaginable that US and European clandestine organizations wouldn’t have developed a top secret set of foreign policy goals whose aim it was to bring about US/European access to Iraq’s buried ET technology. The success of the secret foreign policy goals of US/European clandestine organizations in gaining access to Iraq’s ET heritage and preparing for a possible return of the Anunnaki, lay in promoting international conditions that would allow US/Europe to gain unfettered access to Iraq without provoking Soviet intervention and a full scale crisis in the midst of the Cold War. The way in which this could be done would be to promote a series of regional crises that would ultimately make Iraq dependent on the assistance of Western nations. The solution to the US/European policy dilemma was to sponsor upheaval in Iraq’s main rival and regional powerhouse, Iran, that would inevitably force Iraq into a military confrontation with its more powerful neighbor, and thereby create opportunities for greater US/European influence in Iraq.The primary focus of this secret agenda was that the Shah of Iran would be toppled, and replaced by a fundamentalist Islamic regime that would create havoc in the Persian Gulf region. The success of this radical plan rested in a twofold strategy of first withdrawing the traditional support of the US for the Shah of Iran who maintained a tight hold on political power through his powerful security forces; and second, fomenting an Islamic revolution. This success of this clandestine dual pronged strategy ultimately led to the collapse of the Shah’s regime who had to flee from Iran on January 16, 1979.The new Islamic Republic of Iran was a dire threat to the territorial integrity of Iraq and was an ideological rival to Iraq’s Ba’ath socialist system. The new Iraqi regime under Saddam Hussein instinctively understood the threat posed by revolutionary Iran to Iraq, and decided to act while the Islamic regime was preoccupied by consolidating itself. Iraq launched a devastating attack in September 1980 that resulted in an eight year war that quickly ground down into a stalemate. Western states along with wealthy Arab states began to support Saddam’s regime. The end of the Iran-Iraq war in 1988 occurred simultaneously with a rapidly transforming global political climate. Eastern bloc countries were beginning to collapse and the mighty Soviet Union was in the initial stages of its eventual disintegration into 15 independent republics. With the Soviet Union/Russia rapidly losing global influence, Western states gained greater prominence in Iraq. This was especially true for France and Germany, both of which played important roles in directly financing and aiding Iraq in its long war with Iran.Soon after Saddam’s elevation to power in 1979, he started the construction of a sophisticated network of underground tunnels and bunkers. These elaborate constructions were motivated both by the threat posed by Iranian missile attack, and Saddam’s awareness that Iraq’s ancient (ET) heritage, much of which lay buried, was the key to his own grandiose plans for regional dominance. It is very likely that at some point in the construction of these underground constructions throughout Iraq, evidence of Iraq’s extraterrestrial civilization was first encountered. The complex task of studying and eventually reverse engineering these ET assets would have begun.

[edit on 10-9-2008 by ofhumandescent]

This is just too ugly not to de-bunk with evidence NOT opinion.

www.liveleak.com...

A copy I know ,but one that captured the ORIGINAL presstv.ir mention of 57th Airborn Unit.

I have personally spoken to the International news room of The Australian Broadcasting Commission. They searched for me and came up ZIP,ZERO.

If they can get a decent source then THIS will be broadcast national then internationaly ASAP.

Either way I don't accept this is fact or BS yet.

godspeed.

When I was in the peacetime 82nd airborne division we used to get a day off every time the division made it 82 days without someone dying in an accident. In the year and half I was there we only made it a couple of times. The division has thousands of soldiers and statistically suicides will happen considering all the stress and turmoil soldiers go through these days.

The only other airborne division is the 101st which is actually air assault. If the story were real journalism, rather than unskillful mixing of fact and fiction, you would think they would at least mention which airborne division they were referring to.

PS. There is some truth to what Bob Woodward is saying, but if I told you... you know the rest.

[edit on 10-9-2008 by smokingmonkey]

This source seems to be the most reliable as it links to the DOD.

icasualties.org...

Was this a mass suicide or separate incidents that just happened near the same time?

I've stopped a few suicides in my life and I've noticed the main idea going through a suicidal person's mind is that they can't get support from something they relied on in the past. Their rock, their anchor, their whatever was denied them and they couldn't go on and they chose death or tried to and I stepped in and stopped it.

What is happening overseas that has these professional soldiers feeling so cut off that they can't go on? Most of these people are educated and can figure out anything that compromises their security, yet they chose death. I suspect personal drug abuse more than an '___' trip induced by the CIA.

"....from the 57th Unit of the Airborne Division..." What kind of militarty terminology is this?? What division?? What unit?? There is more that one Airborne Division in Iraq - what do they mean "the Airborne Division"? This is so poorly written it has to be BS.

reply to post by MarkAkaSilent


This is really sad, everyone pray for their families and friends.

Originally posted by atzmaz
reply to post by MarkAkaSilent

 

This is really sad, everyone pray for their families and friends.

It's not true, its been debunked in this thread several times. There are no legitimate sources for any of this info, its pure Iranian propaganda. Don't pray too hard over this one.

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reply to post by ben420


This story was covered in Pravda, English Translation. Do you really think anything would make it out of Iraq, unless the US Govt. wanted it too?