Is it really aliens or just time travel?

When you're out you know you're out. It's clear as day.
The first time I was out I was floating in the middle of my room a few feet away from my bed when I heard my phone ringing. I was actually trying to get myself back into my physical body I tried pushing then pinching my (astral) self. After a few seconds I went back in so I could physically get up to pick up the phone.

Another time I saw my physical body below me in the bed while I floated like 12 feet away or so.

One of my best friends also does it very regularly. He's freakin gifted!!. He told me all he has to do is sit still for two minutes and he's out floating up looking at his body and whoever else is around. He did it a lot during high school most of the time to see the teacher's point of view to see if the teacher can see him when he's sweetalking some girl or so.
He never did it during a test though.... bummer... Just the people who have it, don't do it...

[Edited on 8/12/2002 by Bandit795]

So this was done with mediatation, basically? Fair play, that's pretty impressive.

PS, drugs are bad, mmmkay?

Yeah, that's why I've never done drugs... And I don't drink either...

Good for you mate, beer's the bain of my life, honest to God... but I won't get into all that.

scientists made errors in their researches, some of them also proven that certain theories are capable to be performed.
declaring something as a fact is useless before exemine it yourselfs, i think that space and time travel are completely possible, we just haven't discovered it yet.
the skies are no limits, imo, everything is possible.

About that physicall statement, it occurred to me once that i went to sleep with my hands up without laying on a wall just air, i did not feel stressed or in pain, i went to sleep fro about 4 hours.

Fearofthedark - Aliens never clamed anything, in a public manner that is, from what i've heard they are talking with their abductees.

[Edited on 12-8-2002 by xSavage]

Originally posted by LostProphet
Thinnk about it, they give us new technology to make us more advance...advancing themselves in the future..

What you said sort of make me to believe that there is no such thing as time travel.

For example, if time travel would be possible, then what stops you from traveling back in time, give youself your advanced technology and when, lets say, 300 years has passed, travel back once again to the same time the previous technology from the future was acquired, and do the same thing over and over untill the the technology would be so advanced it would be laughable.

Thus in only 300 years you would be able to advance as fast as it would take millions of years if the time travel concept wouldnt have been done.

You guys get the picture?

Now, if that would be possible. Do you not think that it must have been done?

Originally posted by xSavage
scientists made errors in their researches, some of them also proven that certain theories are capable to be performed.
declaring something as a fact is useless before exemine it yourselfs, i think that space and time travel are completely possible, we just haven't discovered it yet.
the skies are no limits, imo, everything is possible.

About that physicall statement, it occurred to me once that i went to sleep with my hands up without laying on a wall just air, i did not feel stressed or in pain, i went to sleep fro about 4 hours.

Fearofthedark - Aliens never clamed anything, in a public manner that is, from what i've heard they are talking with their abductees.

[Edited on 12-8-2002 by xSavage]

If abductions are not real, how come not one single abductee, who are claimed to be over-imaginative or plain crazy, has ever said the aliens were coming from such or such place?

Originally posted by Oisin(I'll have to take your word for it though if the background in physics is really neccessary, I'm a history student an I haven't got a clue about any branch of science as such!) Cheers.

Heh! Don't worry about it too much. I don't have any *formal* education in those fields, so I was only intelligent to understand about half of it...

Where I fell down in understanding was when they were describing specific formulas & specific *people* with their theories (Planck's Length? Wazzat? 15 feet of 2x4? ) that I'd never heard of before...But I got enough of the "gist" of it to figure out how to break it down into layman's terms, as I've already described it.

Woohoo, I no longer feel like the village idiot! Cheers pal!

>>If you were to make an absolute shift >>in time, without moving in space during >>time travel, then the planet would >>move out from under you...Within the >>first few seconds of time-shift.

No, you wouldn't, because the planet's or whatever object's gravity would keep you there. While traveling through time you are not moved through space. According to what you said, only the time is curving in effect from the time machine, so the gravity would stay the same where you are (the same location in space, though not time).

>>I think time travel is impossible and >>really just dangerous. Example: If you >>would travel through time, you could >>not impact anything in the past. If you >>did, it would make a chain reaction of >>changed events. Even talking to a >>person about small talk could change a >>lot. Just think about it.
Then you just create a 50-50 chance probability and split off into another universe.

>>Time is not physical so it can't be >>traveled.

Time is a dimension, much like space. Think of time as a line that can be traveled, just like you do of space. Move across the line into different points on it and you have time traveled. This can be achieved by curving time. We are time traveling right now; we are moving into the future every 10^-43s as I type. So, with this information, we already know that time travel into the future is possible, but, the question is, what of the past? If you think of time as a line, then it is possible to go into the past. There are many theories on how to accomplish time travel into the past. Here a few:

1) Faster than light travel.
2) Go through wormholes. Wormholes are connected singularities through hyperspace which are at different locations in spacetime. So by going through one singularity, you end up at another which is at a different spot in time, past or future, so therefor you have time traveled. The problem is getting into a naked singularity. To get into one you have to through the rip in spacetime which is very small, much to small for one of us, let alone a spaceship to fit through. To open the rip more, we must use averagely negatively charged matter, or "exotic material". No known element has a negative charge, and it is likely that one will never be found. However, even if we do open the rip more with exotic material, the wormhole will be destroyed by electromagnetic fluctations.

Did anyone ever think that maybe, we as humans, just don't understand the concept of time. We (humans) created time to our own specific needs (calenders, lunch time....etc). Who says it is right?

Did anyone ever think that maybe, we as humans, just don't understand the concept of time. We (humans) created time to our own specific needs (calenders, lunch time....etc). Who says it is right?

I totally agree with you. As humans we have our own measure of time - who's to say that we got it right? Or that we even know the first thing about time.

Sure we have our interpretations of time(seconds, minutes etc) that work well for us, but we havent yet done much in the way of explore and understand time.

Time is a consequence of causality.

We have the impression that time exists, but it is causality that exists.

But bye the way, does causality really exist? In quantum physics, a particule has a probability of a behavior, so it is not an absolute causality.

How can that probability exist without an underlying cause, that's the big question..

Although it appears that this string is fading from attention, here's my little bit.
Alot of interesting thoughts on time travel circulating, as well as ideas relating to the issue. Most seem to be presumptions developed while in deep thought, insightful maybe, but not based on any extensive delving into the topic.

Here's an interesting fact on time:
- Time is NOT constant, at least not in some respects. The conventional idea of time is like a moving conveyor belt or a movie, minus the ability to rewind. Real time is not the same. It is already known that if, for example, a set of twins decide to part ways, one staying on earth, the other traveling by space travel at a high velocity for ten years, when he arrives home, he will find that his twin has aged more than he and has in fact lived 20 years compared to his brother's 10. This is not a "trick of the light", or anything else; Twin A has experienced time relative to his state in space, Twin B has experienced time relative to his state in space too. Atomic clocks have been used to test this phenomenon and when they are brought back together, one has elapsed, let's say 1 hour exactly, the other has elapsed 1hr and .004 seconds. These clocks are not busted. One clock is stationary while the other moves in space, showing that this movement (and as theorized, even gravity) and time are interelated. Time is not a constant anymore. So while you are eating dinner here on earth, I could build a house on my fast-moving spaceship in the same frame by your measurement of time, even though I age 5 months while doing it.

For those of you who don't believe it, maybe you should grab the latest Scientific American or do some research of your own. For the brave ones who believe it or are willing to consider it, I by no means understand WHY it works this way, I simply believe that it does since the tests have demonstrated it. It's a tough one to swallow, but sometimes the world of theoretical physics isn't able to give the WHY to even the top theoretical physicists!

Maybe this will help add to the confusion.

So, if time speeds up when you leave the planet, then............

In theory, what would time do if it were possible to put a atomic clock close to the center of this planet? Would time slow down?

That's a question out of my scope of knowledge!

I've learned what I posted by reading... But believe me, I don't pretend to understand it, even partially!

I vaguely recall some suggestion relating to gravity affecting time... You sort of have to try and think of time as a part of the multi-dimensional web that our universe is made of, threaded together with energy, space, matter... pull on any strand of the web and the whole is affected.

As for your inquiry, I'd love to try it, because it seems like I never get a break...

[Edited on 18-9-2002 by SassyFella]

I can only half understand what you guys are talking about. You say space and time are relative. So if you bend space, then you're bending time as well?

I guess you've heard theories about Blackholes. Like how a Blackhole can suck in everything within range and crush it into a bloody pulp. Stretching and tearing apart matter, space and energy. Could it then do the same thing with time? Maybe black holes are actually gateways through time and space. It could be that everything that goes into a Blackhole actually gets released back out through a 'White Hole'. In another time, or another demension perhaps.

I heard a cool theory about time. Some say that time travel is simply impossible because there are too many paradoxes. Like the one about killing off your family.

"If a man went back in time and killed off his mother before he was born, then what would happen? After killing her, would he still exist? If he killed her, he would have never been born, and would have never been able travel through time in the first place."

There's a theory that implies that the man could have indeed killed his mother and still exist himself. Think about time not as single straight line. But as many many straight lines. And each line exists in an alternate Universe. And everything that has happend, or ever will happen exists in an alternate dimension. So when that man went back in time and killed his mother, he was actually killing another mother, in another dimension. And in that dimension he would never exist. However in his own Universe nothing has changed at all.