Disaster in Rachel, NV

reply to post by Blaine91555


I camp there often plus 30 times now. First name basis with the folks the run the a le inn... The main and rare source of income there. The prison land is 4 miles away from the middle of Rachel. The control part doesnt matter. Even if one perons owned all the land, there a re a lot of hurdles to climb. Hopefully Rachel can create some hurdles that cannot be jumped over.

No wonder they are up in arms about this -

Source of Info

Wouldn't you like to get away from it all? Enjoy all the benefits of clean air and country living? Experience the freedom of wide open spaces? Well, Toreson Industries (official website) is giving you the chance. For $16,500 you can own a 1.2 acre lot at Lincoln Estates, a hypothetical housing development 6 miles west of Rachel, Nevada.

$16,550 for an acre and a half of worthless land in an undeveloped area. I suspected I'd find this before I even looked

I'd imagine you could go a few miles down the road and buy comparable land for a few hundred an acre; maybe less. Miserable climate, limited water, nearly impossible to farm economically and too far from an community with work to be worth commuting.

The best part -

A better funded version of a similar land scam is Coyote Springs (official website), a hypothetical development you may pass through without noticing on the way to Rachel...

... Old man Toreson has been imprisoned by his own land for over 15 years -- which may be the inspiration for his latest scheme. According to local reports (which we haven't verified), Torson now hopes to build a 2000-bed prison on the land.

Read the whole linked article as it is very revealing.

Gariac is right to be concerned... Tuebor is right to not be concerned...and so it goes.

Gariac- we tourists are very unobservant critters. We wouldn't notice a new motocross racetrack nearby. Wouldn't worry too much about the town dying.
However, people who say that prisons in the neighborhood aren't dangerous just aren't making any sense.
That area is desert wilderness, and I imagine escaped prisoners are like insects ( drawn to the light ).Very few lights in the Rache area, narrowing the odds... of an encounter in case of escape.

The big danger to Rachel is what comes with prisons: prison gaurds hopped up on steroids ( they are easy to spot- they will shave their head to avoid the drug test ) and meth. The dependants living back at the trailor house will especially be prone to meth use.

Also, the polarization in the community ( call it one while you can ); the prison faction will not likely see anything the way you do.

Too bad about the lights ( they are often massive ) which will hurt sky-watching, but don't worry about the tourists who are typically clueless.

Good luck.

reply to post by Skelkie3


NOt to steal glory here, but shelkie, I started this thread. Gariac and I are concerned. Whew I sounds a little conceited there. No fair to be left out of an ATS movement I started .lol....

reply to post by Blaine91555


So blaine, what do you make of the article?

reply to post by FosterVS


Exactly......profit motivated.......However, if I were a conspiracy theorist, I might propose that by creating it near 51, if it becomes a problem, it can then be taken/seized to increase the amount of USGOV owned land...

reply to post by bknapple32


The prison is decades away if it happened at all. A desperate man who is land poor from owning worthless property is behind it. Rachel's residents are greatly exaggerating the impact of a Prison even if it were built. Small town hysteria at its definitive best.

Selfish UFO enthusiasts worried they might not get to see what they won't see anyway.

What I saw in Rachel was poverty, a population far from any meaningful jobs and a unrealistic attempt to survive in a financially unsurvivable place. A town that could be saved if industry or something like this prison were to be built. Otherwise as time passes, Rachel's population will shrink as its buildings join the dust of the desert it exist on.

Rachel grew out of mining and government projects that no longer exist. It's best hope would be to develop a retirement community, but with Vegas so near and inexpensive housing so plentiful nearer to shopping, it would likely fail. Like other towns around mines spread throughout the area, it will slowly disintegrate.

Nothing there to attract people to Rachel other than curiosity over Area 51.

Originally posted by GhostR1der
If you change your drug laws and stop prisons being a business incarcerating hard drug users and softer ones (like pot) then you'll see the prison population cut in half.

War on drugs has failed - good way to keep the prisons pumping full and all the people who donated to your campaign happy...

Go look up stats on non violent drug offense convicted people in prison... that's the solution.

I was wondering when somebody was going to say this. An earlier poster said something about how the US is running out of prisons. B S !! There are more than enough prisons for those who really deserve to be locked up. The only reason we have "overcrowding" is because we are incarcerating innocent people for the most absurd of so-called "offenses" (namely drug crimes but there are others.)

reply to post by Blaine91555


Over the years, more alfalfa farms have cropped up in the desert near the Nellis range, mostly by highway 6. I assume they are profitable. The prison land could be another farm.

reply to post by Blaine91555


Highway access is a relative term. The highway is open range. The safe nighttime cruising speed is 45MPH. You should look at the skid marks on 375.

When a prisoner escapes, the only hope is to occupy a house in Rachel. They won't last more than a day or two out in the open. Thus you will have home invasions, barricaded prisoners, or auto-theft. Google the "Ballarat Bandit" to see how one lives around the range while on the run.

I literally just finished up and published a peer review article on the impacts of prisons from a community development perspective. How ironic that I would come across this on ATS.

There are a few misconceptions in this thread, which is backed up by my own research and the research other people have done on this in academia:

- Prisons do not actually create higher crime rates. The "scare factor" of prisons is psychological in reality. There is no statistically significant increase in crime once a prison comes in that has a relationship to the prison itself. When crime increases do occur, its due to community growth (which is often spurned by the prison): its simple law of averages that the more people you have, the more likely you are to have crime.

- Prisons actually can help vitalize the community, depending on what type of prison it is. Community leaders often try to recruit prisons because they believe a prison will provide jobs and stimulate the economy through prison business clusters. This impact, however, varies on what type of prison is recruited. Large scale, government owned, low-security prisons are most likely to create economic growth. They provide entry level jobs that often are filled by people in the community, and can create business relationships between the prisons and other related industries (fast food chains, motels, retail, etc.). High level, private owner, small prisons usually cost the most to build but are the least likely to be worth it in terms of providing anything to the community. They are often too small and are too restrictive on visitation to create any spin off industries, and the jobs are often given to specialists from outside the community.

So...prisons can actually be a good thing. They are nothing to panic over, but there will be no positive impact to the community the smaller and more high security the facility is.

I take great offense to calling the people of Rachel poverty, cand calling me and others selfish UFO seekers. I am concerned for them. They choose to live there. ANd they are very happy with their conditions.. Sure they like boom in business just liek the rest of us. With the silver mine being reopened, they now have it.

They have been doing fine for the last decade and a half off ''selfish ufo seekers''. To put a prison there, drives away that income they depend on.

Originally posted by sensfan
There is a huge shortage of prisons in the US from what I have read and heard, so they have to build more. No matter where they build them, there will be people opposed to it, so the chances of them not doing it is pretty slim.

Um... Not really. There are PLENTY of FEMA prisons. But they sit empty. At a low estimate they can house ten times as many prisoners as we currently incarcerate here in the US - 20 million. And we presently incarcerate 25% of the world's incarcerated. (Over 2 million people - mostly from the War on (some people who use some) Drugs.)

At a high estimate (taking into account underground facilities) we might be able to imprison 100 million...

reply to post by Amaterasu


After a quick labor day camping trip at aree 51. I talked with everryone at the Inn and they are all firmly behind the prisons. They have childern, like the rest of us, and have not asked for, nor want a prison AND halfway house to be built 4 miles from town. I may not be a spokesman, but the 30 plus of 62 people alll told me to spread the word.

Originally posted by bknapple32
reply to post by Amaterasu

 

After a quick labor day camping trip at aree 51. I talked with everryone at the Inn and they are all firmly behind the prisons. They have childern, like the rest of us, and have not asked for, nor want a prison AND halfway house to be built 4 miles from town. I may not be a spokesman, but the 30 plus of 62 people alll told me to spread the word.

Check your post. You have contradicted the second sentence when you wrote the third one. I do not blame them. I would not want a prison near me.

reply to post by groingrinder


Whoops yea made a mistake there. I meant to put behind ending the prison. Musta been typing too fast! But yea, they are all against this prison. Funny, coudlnt find the edit button... what happened to it?

They are probably doing this so,
1. People they catch trying to get into the base get somewhere to go without seeing something they simply shouldn't see.
2. So the flood lights and noise car potentially ruin any chance of hearing or seeing something because when there are lights at night like in a city its hard tosee the night sky.
3.And it may ward people off by giving a threatening presence.

I passed this info on to George Knapp at KLAS-TV. I know him. I hope he airs this on KLAS-TV as a report. He told me he would look into it.

[edit on 3-9-2008 by ufo reality]

Originally posted by bknapple32
reply to post by Researcher

 

Sir, it doesn't matter if only one crime in human history has happened because of a prison in a town. Its about the presence of one. That's enough to ruin tourism there. They rely 100% on campers and area 51 tourists. The a le inn is a motel/rv /campground. The prison, being 4 miles away from that, will drastically kill tourism. Some guy already bought the towns gas station and shut it down, now this.....

Besides, theres miles of empty space away from this small quaint town... why only 4 miles away?

Did Alcatraz keep people from visiting San Francisco?


I'll camp in Rachel anytime.

reply to post by NightVision


Alcatraz? Really?? The prison alone on an island surrounded by shark infested waters?


Rachel prison... next to a town 4 miles away with a halfway house..


Oh yea... VERY SIMILAR