T-shirt gets Van Nuys woman kicked out of federal building

reply to post by an0maly33


My only point is that these are also sexual preferences and society doesn't take kindly to displaying them in public. Why then is homosexuality different? Why is it "free speech" when somebody puts their sexual preference on a T-shirt, but "offensive" when it's a sexual preference you don't happen to like?

neformore, I was waiting for someone to point that out .

I am forever astounded by the quantity of complete morons populating humanity. What a tragic world we live in.

Nothing more--after all, what is the use in applying logic with those who lack the capacity to appreciate it?

EDIT to add: mythatsabigprobe, I suggest you read the last line of your post. Several times. Until it sinks in. Really.


[edit on 27/8/08 by paperplanes]

Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe
I find it offensive and not a free speech issue at all. The word "lesbian' describes a person with a particular sexual preference, or can be used to describe the sexual act itself. Either way, I don't want to know a stranger's sexual desires or to have that knowledge forced on my children in a public place. I'm pretty sure I would be thrown out of a Federal Building if I printed "I like to _blank_ beautiful young women" on the front of my shirt.

I also think it's ridiculous for gays and lesbians to hold parades. If that's free speech, then we should have a parade every weekend where the rest of us can make floats to celebrate our favorite sex acts.

NOt nearly as offensive as your ignorance and willingness to sacrifice universal human rights on your alter of petty personal morality - what you are saying is vastly more offensive to most people on earth than what this woman T shirt says.

Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe
reply to post by an0maly33

 

My only point is that these are also sexual preferences and society doesn't take kindly to displaying them in public. Why then is homosexuality different? Why is it "free speech" when somebody puts their sexual preference on a T-shirt, but "offensive" when it's a sexual preference you don't happen to like?

Main Entry: iro·ny
Pronunciation: \ˈī-rə-nē also ˈī(-ə)r-nē\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural iro·nies
Etymology: Latin ironia, from Greek eirōnia, from eirōn dissembler
Date: 1502
1: a pretense of ignorance and of willingness to learn from another assumed in order to make the other's false conceptions conspicuous by adroit questioning —called also Socratic irony
2 a: the use of words to express something other than and especially the opposite of the literal meaning b: a usually humorous or sardonic literary style or form characterized by irony c: an ironic expression or utterance
3 a (1): incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and the normal or expected result (2): an event or result marked by such incongruity b: incongruity between a situation developed in a drama and the accompanying words or actions that is understood by the audience but not by the characters in the play —called also dramatic irony, tragic irony
4: The previous post by mythatsabigprobe

Apologies to Messirs Merriam and Webster.

Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe
reply to post by an0maly33

 

My only point is that these are also sexual preferences and society doesn't take kindly to displaying them in public. Why then is homosexuality different? Why is it "free speech" when somebody puts their sexual preference on a T-shirt, but "offensive" when it's a sexual preference you don't happen to like?

Because its not about sexuality - it is about receiving support and assistance for to cope with a being persecuted by a society of bigots like you - its not about cunnilingus. Get a grip - if it was about what ever it is your filthy mind keeps creaming up then it would say www.porno***.com but it doesn't.

People who are ostracised, different from the norm, are constantly persecuted and silenced hence the profound need for tolerance and the ability to voice themselves and be heard so they may receive respect and support - you simply do not have the ability to accept anyone who is different from you - this is derived from an extreme form of narcissism - vanity and self love with limited ability to udnerstand the needs of others, their feelings or to acclimatise to social conditions around you-these two things combine to identify you as socio-pathological and psycho-pathological with narcissistic tendencies - or as some would have it a "red neck".

Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe
reply to post by an0maly33

 

My only point is that these are also sexual preferences and society doesn't take kindly to displaying them in public. Why then is homosexuality different? Why is it "free speech" when somebody puts their sexual preference on a T-shirt, but "offensive" when it's a sexual preference you don't happen to like?

You're still not getting it...

Someone can be lesbian and not interfere in ANYONE'S daily life in any way whatsoever. Really. I promise. You won't find two chicks doing it in a fountain in the town square, or making out next to you at a fancy restaurant...

Pedophiles? Yeah, they touch kids. Sometimes in public. Voyeurs? Yep, they film girls in the bathroom, walk around with mirrors attached to the bottom of canes, etc. And you say this is a sexual preference? Maybe by some twisted logic you can say that, sure. It still isn't on the same level as being gay.

[edit on 27-8-2008 by an0maly33]

It's in "poor taste" hahaha, but not illegal. Kind of like a No Fat Chicks bumpersticker. I am tired of the whole homo/lesbo issue though. They want us to see it as normal, it is not normal. Normal, is what most of the population is and most of the population is hetrosexual. But I guess I am digressing from the main issue.

Ok so it's not "normal". What do you want to do about it? I am honestly asking.

Should we put them in camps? Shun them from society? etc etc etc?

If you don't plan on doing anything about it then why make it a big deal? You're basically saying "I disapprove of their lifestyle and I'm going to let the world know it!"

Great. So you don't like gays. I used to think it was disgusting too, because that's what my religion taught me growing up. In the real world I was able to see that they are no different than anyone else and deserve no less respect just because of it.

Originally posted by round_eyed_dog
How would one advertise exhibitionism? How very surreal of you, I'm quite impressed.

I would think that exhibitionism pretty much advertises itself

In this day and age, the word "lesbian" is not particularly offensive.
Especially here in California

If some woman tells me about her "husband" or "boyfriend", I don't immediately flash to an image of them having hot monkey sex

Similarly if she says she's a lesbian, the details of her sex life are not the first thing I think of.

This security guard needs a little retraining if he's going to be dealing with the public.

Now if she'd had some pornographic picture on her shirt, it would be a different story.

Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe
My only point is that these are also sexual preferences and society doesn't take kindly to displaying them in public.

Speaking as a member of society, I have to disagree

Society these days mostly doesn't give a damn, nor should it.

Originally posted by neformore
Someone with the screen name "mythatsabigprobe" finds the word "lesbian" offensive?

What is the world coming to?

Thanks, you made my day

[edit on 8/27/08 by xmotex]

Well, jokes on the guard.

He didn't want her wearing that shirt because he disagreed with it... guess what... lesbian.com just made INTERNATIONAL NEWS because of his stupidity!

Now EVERYONE gets to see the very thing that the guard didn't want to be seen.

HAHAH!

Just in spite, I'm gonna go visit their site!
Hey... I rhymed.


Jokes on you bucko!

If you don't know what I'm saying, then reread my post, don't try to tell Me what I am saying. I know what I said. Try some decaff, ok?

Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe
if I printed "I like to _blank_ beautiful young women" on the front of my shirt.

Sweet where can I get a shirt like that? The world needs to lighten up and stop being so damn PC.

I read what you said. Here's a copy and paste.

They want us to see it as normal, it is not normal. Normal, is what most of the population is and most of the population is hetrosexual. But I guess I am digressing from the main issue.

You made it sound like you disapprove of gay lifestyles. Since that quote was the bulk of your post, I had no other context to change that assumption. My point still stands - Why come out and say only that you don't see them as normal? I can only assume it's because you want to make everyone aware that you see them that way which accomplishes absolutely nothing except incite argument.

Anyway, two things - I actually dislike coffee and I in no way meant that as an attack. I'm not over here frothing at the mouth and feverishly posting stuff to make people angry. I really was trying to put things into perspective using some form of logic.

I don't think anyone should be discriminated against unless they are a criminal. I guess what I am saying, is that the gay community seems like they are going to force the issue down our throats. Haha,joke. Ok, I know when I wear certain political t-shirts, I am going to get some flak. I wear them to "tweak" other people. Not to change their minds, as in most cases that is not possible. If you wear a gay t-shirt, then don't complain when you catch some flak. If I put a Confederate flag in the backwindow of my truck, guess who going to complain? And they're probably gonna say I'm a redneck. Just an example. I would say, she wore that T-shirt purposely to tweak other people. And in a Federal building? C'mon. She's thumbing her nose at the straight people, kind of. Ok, that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. I like gay guys, but lesbians all are so militant and have a chip on their shoulder it seems.

When I was younger I hated gays and lesbians. I used to laugh at them and make snide comments. Then I grew up. There are more important thing to put our time and effort into. Someones sexual preference does not reduce the price of gas, food, or the general stupidity of some people.

If the security guard actuall wanted to make difference maybe he could spend some time worrying about the incompetence of the Social Security Administration itself. I'll bet he has just as much luck doing that as he has trying to prove his stupity is founded.

Someone who wears a "W" t-shirt offends me, can I exclude them from entering a government building. I don't think so!

[edit on 27-8-2008 by capgrup]

I think the guard overreacted. I personally do not care what other people do in bed, but if you go out of your way to bring a subject to the attention of other people, there's gonna be some fallout.

reply to post by Ariana9


Valid point, but I would argue that the reason they're "shoving it down people's throats" (I don't particularly think that's in good taste, but I'll overlook it) is because they are still being ridiculed and shunned by ignorant people who apparently have no other problems to worry about. How long have there been gay people? It certainly isn't a new development and they're still treated like scum sometimes. Throwing it in your face is just another attempt at getting you to understand them. I think with that goal in mind a simple URL on a t-shirt is the most passive and respectful way you could do it.

As to the comment about her showing up at the SS office with the shirt and trying to make people angry...Is it not entirely possible that she just grabbed a shirt out of her drawer and put it on? Not really having any particular agenda to start a riot?

[edit on 27-8-2008 by an0maly33]

reply to post by audas


You seem very angry about me expressing my views in public. And you demonstrated my point perfectly.

reply to post by mythatsabigprobe


I agree with audas, and would like to add.

Lesbianism is hardly these other practices you described. But yes your child should know everything. Unless you want ignorant and stupid children. Knowledge is power no matter how grotesque you think it may be.