Police slam CodePink protester to the ground

Originally posted by monkeybus

Originally posted by goose
I can't believe the number or people who keep trying to excuse this. The police work for us, if they arrest us there are rules to follow, they can't go beating the crap out of you, whether you said something to them or not.

Im geussing youve never had a run in with the law. they dont follow rules when arresting you, if they so please they will stop off by a feild and beat the crap out of you, or slam your head into the top of the car when guiding you in, did you know that they can break your wrist with those handcuffs, actually snap them!, they even boast about it!

I have - the state police were humiliated by the courts - although I had powerful allies - not many would be so lucky.

reply to post by esdad71


The place to protest, DNC and RNC, why, because it is where you can deliver your message to the politicians. Some are actually sponsored by some of the politicians inside the convention. It is also a part of our political system and has been a part of our history since we claimed our independence. Political rallies have always been the place to peacefully protest or demonstrate. Some places even require a license for the demonstrators. I am surprised they don't teach this in middle school aymore.

Originally posted by monkeybus

Originally posted by goose
I can't believe the number or people who keep trying to excuse this. The police work for us, if they arrest us there are rules to follow, they can't go beating the crap out of you, whether you said something to them or not.

Im geussing youve never had a run in with the law. they dont follow rules when arresting you, if they so please they will stop off by a feild and beat the crap out of you, or slam your head into the top of the car when guiding you in, did you know that they can break your wrist with those handcuffs, actually snap them!, they even boast about it!

Yes and No, I've never been arrested, but I have had a few incidents with the law. The ones I have met were mostly bullies who seemed to enjoy the fact they could harrass people and break the laws and get away with it. So yes, I am aware of what you are talking about, they have the us against them mentality.

But they are not supposed to do this and should not get away with it. It is good that it is being caught on film more and more, because there were too many people who believed this kind of thing did not happen. They always assumed the people getting the crap beat out of them by the police were lying, so it is good more and more of these things are caught on film.

reply to post by Finn1916


Got it. Self defense would be the only exception. Of course in the scenario you’ve indicated, you could just throw a donut in the opposite direction and avoid the confrontation altogether.

Originally posted by eaganthorn
reply to post by Finn1916

 

Got it. Self defense would be the only exception. Of course in the scenario you’ve indicated, you could just throw a donut in the opposite direction and avoid the confrontation altogether.

True, i'm gonna have to think about that, carry some extra snacks on me when confronted with gargantuan amazonian women(like my old roomate)

omg.
the # has literally hit the fan.
every week i see something worse that tops the week before.
this week, we just jumped ten points ahead to that
woooow

Chalk up one for the denver police.....

To bad they let the traitorus code "loser" pink live......

Unruly civilians are finally getting what they deserve.

I understand that they have the right to protest. However, if someone is getting arrested, the LAST thing you want to do is interject to a police officer or other law enforcement official.

I know this because i cop broke my nose and he and partner beat my arse during a call to my home once. I thought my girlfriend at the time had Overdoeed( her younger brother just passed tragically) and I called 911 and the cops sahowed up also, In an attempt to Baker Act her, . She reached for ME during the scuffle, and I would up with a felony BOLO arrest and conviction. So I know what a cop will do with no provocation, and that was in a situation where I DID not intervene. Except in this case, I am 6'3', about 210 and fit. THEY do not care if you are a man or woman, fat or skinny. If they THINK you are a threat to their operation, they will use excessive force.

She stopped bieng a protestor the second she confronted the officer while arresting someone else. Case closed. Any DA would slam that case folks.

If you want to stand up for a cause, be prepared to be pushed, arrested, and targeted. Today however, people put themselves in danger for a photo op or a youtube video....

One qusetion though...Where is Cindy Sheehan????

Well, lets see, code pink is known to be troublemakers and sometimes violent, they're acting up in public, and here we have a video with no setup, just a cop hitting someone.

ya know? sometimes, it just reeks of setup. cop might be justified.

reply to post by tomfrusso


No cops, "Book him, Lou. Wiggum: Yeah sure, go ahead. I'll be back on the streets by dinnertime! You'll see!"

Originally posted by Pawnhaus
Wouldn’t simple arrest work for this clobbered lady if she had broken a law – such as disobeying a lawful order?

If you're referring to the woman having to obey a lawful order, you seem to be on the wrong track...The Officers have to take the Oath, not Civilians!

Even so, if the civilian in question was not resisting (for example, looking at the reporter's camera & speaking to the reporter with her back turned to the Officer) or being violent at all, then the police that struck her to the ground was definitely not obeying any lawful order...Such an order would be in violation of a civilians' Rights & can be legally disobeyed. In what way does asking questions about another arrest become "interference" anyway? There are other instances posted somewhere on ATS where cops have tried to levy the same charges on people with cameras filming a police arrest from 50 feet away of the actual arrest!

Originally posted by RuneSpider
We can find out who he is. Demand a investigation, get more video, get his testimony, get hers, get a balanced investigation.

If the woman was really smart & gets a good attorney (that will get the case tried in an Article 3 Court of Common Law), I think we'll be shortly hearing the sound of a Police Officer's badge going "clunk" in a wastebasket...If there's any justice left in the "justice system." If the External Source quoted by Pawnhaus on page 4 here is correct, then we should keep our eyes open in Denver to see how this plays out in the court where she'll have to appear...

Originally posted by titorite
Just stop being afraid of the pigs. Your fear gives them power. Their power is oppressing us.

In truth, it's the "peoples' consent" that gives them power...No government can operate if enough of the population revokes public consent. There seems to be a "snapping point" of some kind that has manifested numerous times in history...That when the government abuse of power becomes too onerous, public consent is usually revoked with mass violence.

The big problem is that MSM bias & government deception still has far too many people believing that they do have our consent to be abused by them. I sense a snapping point approaching...

Originally posted by alienj
We have a legal system in place to handle complaints and if you dont like are legal system then may I suggest Darfur.

Or how about changing the legal system when it's grown corrupted beyond the point of being able to recognize any justice in it?
Note this part of the Preamble in the Declaration of Independence:

Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes...

This is, after all, one of the Natural Rights of people everywhere...Even if they don't realize it.

Originally posted by eaganthorn
And in the last 15-20 years or so, they have not been held accountable. It will not matter how much video you capture with your cameras, it will not matter how much or how often you complain. The police at this point in our history are above the law. They own the law and the system that protects them and allows them the freedom to abuse the public in any way they see fit, at any time.

The only thing you can do is to vote in your local elections as well as the national elections. Make your local police, state police, always accountable, even if it means that justice appears too slow at times.

And that is one of the primary foundations of the Constitutional Republic of America...
"Leave no authority existing not responsible to the people." -- Thomas Jefferson
The problem is that We the People let government get this bad...We the People are the ultimate check & balance on government abuses. We the People have (mostly) closed our eyes to the corruption & let it spread. Only We the People can stop it.

Originally posted by truthseekerpeacemaker
...that wasn't a real video it was obviously computer cgi graphics no cop would do that. and 911 never happened either

Then show your evidence...Produce some video experts that have examined the video & can back up your theory...Come up with some evidence that points to an actual person (or group of people) that would have "doctored up" the video. Baseless accusations go nowhere, so expound your theory with logic & evidence.

Originally posted by audas
The police are there for the protection of the public - this is their primary concern. They are NOT there to serve government interests over that of the public, the government IS the public servant.

Then we need to get the message across to them that they're not acting like public servants...Instead, Mr. Bush, "The Decider," is usurping more dictatorial powers by the day & acting like a ruler, not an Oath-bound public servant. His attitude filters down to the lowest levels in government "service." As the government shows such disrespect for the Rule of Law, then the People themselves adopt that same attitude...How can the People respect the Rule of Law when the government itself violates the Law at every turn?

reply to post by Tiloke

Finally, a first-hand witness account that covers some time before the video! This is a step beyond relying on edited videos & MSM-biased newspaper articles! I thank God you found your way to this thread & posted...Star for your post.

This is what "abuse of the 1st Amendment" is about...Groups like this should be kept under control for not exercising "peaceful assembly." Groups like this really know nothing about the inherent responsibilities that go with our Bill of Rights...The responsibility to not violate the equal Rights of others.

If you are "bearing true witness" with your post, then that woman could cause some serious ear damage by using a bullhorn right in someone's face...Definitely not a case of "peaceful assembly." The thing is, in other protests around the country, even those that are peaceful, there are still far too many cases of police acting abusively...It just seems that this particular protest doesn't fall into that particular category.

Still, the cops could have found a "less-violent" way of arresting her. Smacking her to the ground does more damage to their own reputations than simply cuffing her & leading her off, even if it takes more than one cop to do it. If she was going to be arrested at all, it should have been done when she was still using the bullhorn, but before knocking her down the first time. After all was said & done, the cop was wrong in not letting her go after she'd already said that she wouldn't do it again...That was an abuse of authority.

Originally posted by Pawnhaus
Theatrics aside, educate yourselves and be more kind, as that one annoying protestor could be you and your special cause someday - unless that is, you are the type who 'never' has a problem with the Matrix.

Yeah, more Thomas Jefferson quotes...
"Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty."
"Enlighten the people generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like evil spirits at the dawn of day."
The trick here is that no one can rely on the government (or government-subsidize schools) to teach that which is really important to know...We have to rely on ourselves to learn, which also may involve "unlearning" what was taught in school!

Originally posted by eaganthorn
It is also a part of our political system and has been a part of our history since we claimed our independence. Political rallies have always been the place to peacefully protest or demonstrate. Some places even require a license for the demonstrators. I am surprised they don't teach this in middle school aymore.

What's really amazing is that school doesn't teach the real meaning & intent of the Constitution & Bill of Rights. I never learned that in school...I had to "self-teach" for months before I finally got it. Students should also learn to appreciate what the Founding Forefathers did, the sheer genius in combining the best aspects of the least onerous government systems together into a cohesive whole that adds up to something much greater than the mere sum of its parts.

Ugh.. some of you make me sick. Let's call all cops 'pigs' because some cops are morons. Some folks get such tunnel vision with their NWO agendas, secret government takeovers, and "anything that has a law attached to it is evil and must be fought," it's saddening. There is a point to laws, and to law enforcement officers. I'm sure some of you would love to live in a Mad Max sort of world, or push right on back to the days where we lived on caves and rubbed sticks together for warmth.

The actions of one person is not representative of the whole. Cops that DO cross the bounderies often DO get punished. There are always stories of cops getting laid off during investigations, and fired because of their actions. It does happen. I will agree that police often "look out for their own" more than is necessary. But I've seen this in almost any vocation where you cover each other's backs. It was that way when I was in the Army, and it's even that way on a football team.

For all we know, this was this cops first time in a protest, and he was out of his element, and reacted badly. Maybe he IS a "bad cop." Maybe the lady kicked him in the nads prior to this being shot, who can say.

But it's sad how we go from this sort of a video, to "omg the vicious pigs need to be stopped from their tyranical grip on our nation!!"

No one is innocent here.

In my opinion, she is a bully who met a bigger and better armed bully, and she lost. Code Pink prides itself on using abusive, aggressive and threatening tactics in its protests, and are seldom called to pay the price, thus encouraging more outrageous behavior. Seems the Denver cops aren't as forgiving as the Berkeley cops (perhaps because the stakes are bigger). She went there looking for trouble, she tried her best to cause trouble, and she got it - more than she bargained for. Like so many people, she expected others to do the right thing even as she behaved badly.

By most accounts, she was in fact disturbing the peace, she interfered in police business, she was trying to obstruct justice, and she assaulted the officer - yes, assaulted. By screaming into a blowhorn directed at his head, including his ears, within less than a yard of his person, she inflicted serious pain at best, and could have possibly burst his eardrums. She knew what she was doing. That's why she did it. She tried her best to push this cop to the limit, and she succeeded - Congrats to her. I suspect she was also trying to cause a riot, but did not succeed - Congrats to the cop.

Much different scenario than simply asking calmly why someone is being arrested (as if it's any of her business anyway), as Code Pink would have us believe.

The officers involved had an obligation not to let this one girl or anyone cause a major disturbance (i.e., riot), which would have endangered hundreds, if not thousands of people. Could the officer have handled it better? Possibly. Should he have tried to handle it better? Probably. Could she have handled herself better and not let this happen to begin with? Of course. Did she deserve better? Probably not.

Reading the comments in response to this thread, I'm reminded of an old, old joke... A man asks a woman, "Would you sleep with me for a million bucks?" The woman says, "Well, sure." The man then says, "Will you sleep with me for five bucks?" And the woman says, "What kind of woman do you think I am?" The man, of course, replies, "We've already established that. Now we're just haggling over the price."

Every comment which advocates violence in retaliation for the cop's actions is making it plain that violence is okay... it's just a matter of who is on the giving end, and who is on the receiving end. (I'm sure Code Pink would be mighty proud though, since that seems to be their premise as well.)

Even the comments about men striking a woman is moot; would it be any different if the cop were another woman? Somehow, I think not.

In the final analysis, I have no doubt that in the course of his career, that officer has done alot of good for alot of people. If I needed help and I called on him for help, I have no doubt he would help. Can't say the same for the girl though.

Elle

Originally posted by spookjr
reply to post by TaZCoN

 

To bad none of the protestors had guns. It looked to me that that one at least had the right to defend herself against an illegal action by a corrupt agent of the government. More people need to stand up and return the violence that is inflicted on them by these type of police actions. Peaceful protest is a joke. Violence is the only thing they understand. Peaceful protest is always met with violence by police agencies.

Agree!

Originally posted by esdad71
I understand that they have the right to protest. However, if someone is getting arrested, the LAST thing you want to do is interject to a police officer or other law enforcement official.

I know this because i cop broke my nose and he and partner beat my arse during a call to my home once. I thought my girlfriend at the time had Overdoeed( her younger brother just passed tragically) and I called 911 and the cops sahowed up also, In an attempt to Baker Act her, . She reached for ME during the scuffle, and I would up with a felony BOLO arrest and conviction. So I know what a cop will do with no provocation, and that was in a situation where I DID not intervene. Except in this case, I am 6'3', about 210 and fit. THEY do not care if you are a man or woman, fat or skinny. If they THINK you are a threat to their operation, they will use excessive force.

She stopped bieng a protestor the second she confronted the officer while arresting someone else. Case closed. Any DA would slam that case folks.

If you want to stand up for a cause, be prepared to be pushed, arrested, and targeted. Today however, people put themselves in danger for a photo op or a youtube video....

One qusetion though...Where is Cindy Sheehan????

Its weird to have to listne to people who just make stuff up...!

news.cnet.com...
www.foxnews.com...

next.

reply to post by esdad71


Got it.
Its a place and time thing though. The convention is the place and the time for demonstrations. The cop’s actions reflect what their administration lets them get away with. In the case of Denver, it's ok to beat up some loud mouth chickie. Tough guys! I seriously doubt it would of went down that way had the cop thought he would have to answer for his actions. The management there obviously doesn't care.
But let the city manager or the Mayor start getting calls about the next Klan meeting at city hall, and there will be a "come to Jesus meeting" with the boys in blue followed by a big PR campaign as to how Denver cops really do care about you....and kittens and puppies too!

reply to post by TaZCoN


IMHO, this whole scene just smacks of being staged. The performance of the 'victim', the timing, the audio of the agitated crowd - and guys this is just an opinion, but this whole event just smacked of b/s - it just FELT WRONG.

This is just sickening. Some of the posts I have read are also equally just as sickening. Go to Darfur if you have a problem with our legal system? What kind of idiotic remark is that? I agree the woman was being confrontational with the officer but does that give him reason to unleash on her with a Baton...I hope not. When are people going to have enough of this BS? Maybe the "Peaceful" approach isn't the best plan anymore.

reply to post by Nemesys


IMO, Code Pink jokers are funded provocateurs whose sole purpose is to discredit and villify all government dissent. All I needed to see was the dude standing behind Valerie Plame and the Condoleeza Rice incident. All staged IMO.

Even Plame's sexiness couldn't keep me from being distracted by that freak standing behind her.

Peace

reply to post by MidnightDStroyer

And that is one of the primary foundations of the Constitutional Republic of America...
"Leave no authority existing not responsible to the people." -- Thomas Jefferson
The problem is that We the People let government get this bad...We the People are the ultimate check & balance on government abuses. We the People have (mostly) closed our eyes to the corruption & let it spread. Only We the People can stop it.

Exactly my point.

What's really amazing is that school doesn't teach the real meaning & intent of the Constitution & Bill of Rights. I never learned that in school...I had to "self-teach" for months before I finally got it. Students should also learn to appreciate what the Founding Forefathers did, the sheer genius in combining the best aspects of the least onerous government systems together into a cohesive whole that adds up to something much greater than the mere sum of its parts.

This is what really gets me, this stuff should be basic and fundamental but it is not being taught in school anymore. I am amazed at what passes through these pages. No history, no civics, no social understanding of how things work, why they work, why they don’t work, etc.
And believe me when I tell you, I was not a model student.