Obama Citizenship: Lawsuit Filed To Stop Him From Running

Originally posted by davion

So, you're saying that a man that became a U.S. Senator for Illinois, and later served as a member of Congress was able to somehow fool America's HR department with a fake birth certificate?

My friend is a cook in Washington D.C and he had to go through several months of background checks just to make food for government officials, and you actually believe that Obama could get away with a fake certificate for all these years?

yes.
if it was a non issue he would release his records. by stalling he brings more doubt and negative attention. the smart move would be to release it to the world and get it over with.

unless.....

he has something to hide.

put on your objectional hat on for a minute and try to think of at least 3 reasons why.

Originally posted by Fathom
yes.
if it was a non issue he would release his records. by stalling he brings more doubt and negative attention. the smart move would be to release it to the world and get it over with.

unless.....

he has something to hide.

put on your objectional hat on for a minute and try to think of at least 3 reasons why.

How is he stalling when he released his birth certificate? I mean, if he was hiding something why would he even bother to put up a document for everyone to see?

As it stands, he released his birth certificate, bloggers looked over the JPG and said it was fake, people from FactCheck.org got to hold it in their hands, take pictures of the raised seal that everyone claimed was missing, and debunked the claim, but apparently it's still not enough and he's hiding something to you?

I'll put on an "objective hat" and play your cute little game when you take off the blinders.

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davion...baby...why is he fighting this court case?
you neglected to answer that question.

Originally posted by Fathom
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davion...baby...why is he fighting this court case?
you neglected to answer that question.

You mean you don't know why he's fighting the court case? From your responses I figured you knew everything, sweetie.

Maybe it's because he's a Muslim! Dear god no!

Or maybe it's because he has dual citizenship! Oh my lord!

Or maybe he's an alien! Sweet Jesus!

Maybe Bill Ayers gave birth to him and Rezko was the father!

Yawn.



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The issue is that in the year that Obama was born, he could have been born somewhere else and just had his birth "registered" with Hawaii by his mother.

The reason they want to see the vault copy is because IF Obama WAS born in Hawaii, the vault copy will have the hospital information, the doctor's signature, etc. That would end the issue right there. But the Obama camp is refusing to present the one simple piece of paper that would end the question.

Then again there is the issue of his Indonesian passport (only issued to Indonesian nationals) used for travel to Pakistan and India in 1981, and his falsification on his Illinois State Bar Registration when he stated that he had no other names, when in fact he has been known as Barack Obama, Barry Soetoro, and Barry Obama. It is also suspected he used the names Barry Dunham and Barack Dunham.

Obama's eligibility to run for president hinges on being a Natural Born Citizen. If it is true that he is a natural born citizen then why all the chaos? Why not just provide a vault birth certificate and tell everyone to take a good look and stuff it?

Unless a vault birth certificate doesn't exist...

Isn't Ayers, Obama, and Annenburg all connected to factcheck.org? Why would you only show your birth certificate to a single website when a large chunk of American people have doubts concerning your status? This entire thing seems odd doesn't it? People question websites everyday, yet whenever a website springs up out of nowhere to "validate" something for the Obama side it is more often then not taken as fact, and it works exactly the same for the anti-Obama crowd too. Should we just believe everything on factcheck just because they have some facts on there?

There are many questionable details about Obama's citizenship, there deserves to be an investigation, even if it eliminates him from the Presidency. There are rules and guidelines for reasons are there not?

I'd happily take riots in the streets in order to keep a foreigner out of the POTUS if that ends up being the case. I'd even happily take a McCain/Palin term (and I cannot stand them!)

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Ok, so you don't have an answer. that is all you have to say...sweety

the fact that this is an issue this late in the election is a bit disturbing to me ..

PRESIDENTIAL candidates' prerequisites should be clear as day before they're allowed to run .. this looks very suspicious

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That's why the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Elections Committee are also being sued.

It was their job to check this first

Originally posted by Fathom
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Ok, so you don't have an answer. that is all you have to say...sweety

Neither do you, all you can say is "Hmmm, I'm suspicious and he's guilty until proven innocent"

Originally posted by davion

Originally posted by Fathom
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Ok, so you don't have an answer. that is all you have to say...sweety

Neither do you, all you can say is "Hmmm, I'm suspicious and he's guilty until proven innocent"

bottom line is, if he had nothing to hide he wouldn't hide...make sense?
mmmkay then.

Originally posted by redhatty
Then again there is the issue of his Indonesian passport (only issued to Indonesian nationals) used for travel to Pakistan and India in 1981...

The only problem being that most US laws forbiding dual citizenship were struck down by the Supreme Court in 1967 (Afroyim v. Rusk) and 1980 (Vance v. Terrazas).

Edit: It's also worth noting that the cases of Perkins v. Elg (1939), Mandoli v. Acheson (1952), and Kawakita v. U.S. (1952) permitted them to keep dual citizenship even though they were born in the US and had parents that were from another country. The US State Department of Services also claims dual citizenship is acceptable.

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Great, the anti-Obama rant continues.

Face it, McCain is barely treading water now and the GOP knows it. They trying everything and anything they can think of to know Obama out of contention. It's an all-telling sign of weakness.

This stupid lawsuit is not gonna halt Obama, and neither is that lame smear campaign that McCain's camp is waging.

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I don't think Obama has anything to hide. What do you think he has to hide? Seriously, I'd like to know.

I know some people have skeletons in their closet they'd like to keep secret. I have one or two myself. Do you have any deep DARK secrets in your HEART that you want to keep from RISING to the top?

Ultimately, this lawsuit is gonna tank because it doesn't have any merit to it. There's no pork on that fork.

UPDATE:

obamacrimes.com...

Phil J. Berg files amended complaint in Berg v. Obama

Phil J. Berg filed an amended complaint today in Berg v. Obama. The amended complaint adds the Pennsylvania Department of State, the Secretary of the Commonwealth Pedro A. Cortes (in his official capacity), the U. S. Sentate Committee on Rules and Administration, and Senator Diane Feinstein (in her official capacity as chairman) for their failure to exercise due diligence with respect to Barack Obama's contitutional qualifications to be elected and serve as President of The United States, and for his inclusion on the ballot in Pennsylvania as a candidate for President of the United States.

The amended complaint also bolsters the standing argument and adds additional relevent facts.

Essentially, the argument is this:

* Senator Obama could put this whole issue to rest by providing an official "vault copy" birth certificate.
* Senator Obama has chosen not to do so.
* The defendants (other than Obama) have a responsibility to protect the integrity of the electoral system by properly vetting the qualifications of candidates, which they have failed to perform.
* Mr. Berg, other Americans, and our system of government are damaged by this failure.
* Senator Obama, who has collected $425,000,000 in campaign contributions, has perpetrated a fraud.

Following are some of the factual statements made in the amended complaint (More at link)

46. Since Obama’s birth was legally acknowledged by Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen, and/or Obama was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, which the evidence supports, Obama became an Indonesian citizen and bears the status as an Indonesia natural child (natural-born). For this reason, Obama would have been required to file applications with the U. S. State Department and follow the legal procedures to become a naturalized citizen in the United States, when he returned from Indonesia. If Obama and/or his family failed to follow these procedures, then Obama is an illegal alien.

47. Regardless of whether Obama was officially adopted, (which required a Court process), by his Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, or his birth was acknowledged (which only required the signing of a governmental birth acknowledgement form), by Lolo Soetoro, one of which had to occur in order for Obama to have the name Barry Soetoro and his citizenship status listed as “Indonesian”, in either and/or both cases Obama’s name was required to be changed to the Indonesian father’s name, and Obama became a natural citizen of Indonesia. This is proven by the school records in Jakarta, Indonesia showing Obama’s name as Barry Soetoro and his citizenship as Indonesian. Again, the registration of a child in the public schools in Jakarta, Indonesia was verified with the Government Records on file with the Governmental Agencies.

48. The Indonesian citizenship law was designed to prevent apatride (stateless) or bipatride (dual citizenship). Indonesian regulations recognize neither apatride nor bipatride citizenship.

49. In addition, since Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship neither did the United States, Hague Convention of 1930.

50. In or about 1971, Obama’s mother sent Obama back to Hawaii. Obama was ten (10) years of age upon his return to Hawaii.

51. As a result of Obama’s Indonesia “natural” citizenship status, there is absolutely no way Obama could have ever regained U.S. “natural born” status, if he in fact ever held such. Obama could have only become naturalized if the proper paperwork was filed with the U.S. State Department, in which case, Obama would have received a Certification of Citizenship.

52. Plaintiff is informed, believes and thereon alleges Obama was never naturalized in the United States after his return. Obama was ten (10) years old when he returned to Hawaii to live with his grandparents. Obama’s mother did not return with him, and therefore, unable to apply for citizenship of Obama in the United States. If citizenship of Obama had ever been applied for, Obama would have a Certification of Citizenship.

53. Furthermore, Obama traveled to Indonesia, Pakistan and Southern India in 1981. The relations between Pakistan and India were extremely tense and Pakistan was in turmoil and under martial law. The country was filled with Afghan refugees; and Pakistan's Islamist-leaning Interservices Intelligence Agency (ISI) had begun to provide arms to the Afghan mujahideen and to assist the process of recruiting radicalized Muslim men--jihadists--from around the world to fight against the Soviet Union. Pakistan was so dangerous that it was on the State Department's travel ban list for US Citizens. Non-Muslim visitors were not welcome unless sponsored by their embassy for official business. A Muslim citizen of Indonesia traveling on an Indonesian passport would have success entering Indonesia, Pakistan and India. Therefore, it is believed Obama traveled on his Indonesian passport entering the Countries. Indonesian passports require renewal every five (5) years. At the time of Obama’s travels to Indonesia, Pakistan and India, Obama was twenty (20) years old. If Obama would have been a U.S. citizen, which he was not, 8 USC §1481(a)(2) provides loss of nationality by native born citizens upon "taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state...after having attained the age of eighteen years”, in violation of 8 U.S.C. §1401(a)(1). Since Lolo Soetoro legally acknowledged Obama as his son and/or adopted Obama, Obama was a “natural” citizen of Indonesia, as proven by Obama’s school record.

54. Plaintiff is informed, believes and thereon alleges Obama stated his citizenship as a “Kenya Citizen” when he applied for and was accepted at Columbia University. Obama has refused to release any records from Occidental College, Columbia University, Harvard Law School and any of his medical records.

Berg Outraged: Obama & DNC file motion to prevent concurrent discovery

Berg is “Outraged” that Obama & DNC Hide Again Behind Legal Issues as their attorney files a Motion for Protective Order to “not” Answer Admissions & Production of Documents while Betraying Public in not Producing Documents proving Obama is “qualified” to be a candidate for President It is believed Obama is an “illegal alien”

For Immediate Release: - 10/06/08

(Contact info and pdf of press release below)

Country is Headed to a Constitutional Crisis

(Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania – 10/06/08) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama’s lack of “qualifications” to serve as President of the United States, announced today that Obama and Democratic National Committee [DNC] filed a Joint Motion for Protective Order to Stay Discovery Pending a Decision on the Motion to Dismiss (which was) filed on 09/24/08.

While legal, Berg stated he is “outraged as this is another attempt to hide the truth from the public; it is obvious that documents do not exist to prove that Obama is qualified to be President.” The case is Berg v. Obama, No. 08-cv-04083.

Their joint motion indicates a concerted effort to avoid the truth by attempting to delay the judicial process, although legal, by not resolving the issue presented: that is, whether Barack Obama meets the qualifications to be President.

It is obvious that Obama was born in Kenya and does not meet the “qualifications” to be President of the United States pursuant to our United States Constitution. Obama cannot produce a certified copy of his “Vault” [original long version] Birth Certificate from Hawaii because it does not exist

PDF of Joint Filing

With the evidence presented by Berg ^^ it should be obvious something is fishy. I do not understand how anyone can defend this behavior on the part of Obama and his legal staff. The factcheck angle about them seeing the CoB is bunk. Even taking their word for it without the verification going through the proper channels is ignorant at best. I do not understand why if he had shown the CoB to a website, he is making such a fuss over showing it to the courts.

Blame it on republicans, Hillary supporters, racists, or w/e else you choose to. The fact of the matter is that actual American citizens want proof of his citizenship. When he proves his citizenship is proper he may silence the doubters and get some needed votes from the people sitting on the fence. Factcheck isn't the proper channel to prove your validity to run for POTUS period.

Seriously do you understand how big of a joke it would make the presidency look if it turns out that he really was born somewhere else and is ineligible to be president if he is elected? What would the legal consequences be against him if this actually happens?

Thanks redhatty for the update.

Seems simple: To end this simply produce the required document, Obama.

As to what the legal consequences against him would be, I'm not sure, but if they ruled "no natural birth citizenship" after he is elected, that means Joe Biden would be POTUS. So question: Is Joe Biden a naturally born citizen? For Pete's sakes, someone better check now, because I don't know if I could handle Pelosi as President. And Hillary would probably commit suicide.

Originally posted by Fuzzy Wabbit
Great, the anti-Obama rant continues.

Face it, McCain is barely treading water now and the GOP knows it. They trying everything and anything they can think of to know Obama out of contention. It's an all-telling sign of weakness.

This stupid lawsuit is not gonna halt Obama, and neither is that lame smear campaign that McCain's camp is waging.

why is that a 'stupid' lawsuit ?? are you American ? you don't care if a potential foreigner becomes our President ? .. Obama refuses to produce his vault birth certificate .. he even filed a motion to prevent anyone from trying to find it and bring it to light .. why did he file that motion ? .. I think we know why ..

it amazes me the thinking process of some people