Bush Bashers are WRONG, page 1

posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 06:32 PM

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I keep hearing the media tell us of the 4000 plus US military killed in the War on Terror. I also hear about how much better it was with Clinton in office. Here are some facts.

Military Losses, 1980 thru 2007

Whatever your politics, however you lean, and however you feel about the current administration, this report should open some eyes. Military losses, 1980 through 2007.

The annual fatalities of military members while actively serving in the armed forces from 1980 through 2007 - by any cause.

1980 ......... 2,392 ( Carter Year )

1981 .......... 2,380 ( Reagan Year)
1984 .......... 1,999 ( Reagan Year)
1988 .......... 1,819 ( Reagan Year)

1989 .......... 1,636 ( George H W Year )
1990 ......... 1,508 ( George H W Year )
1991 .......... 1,787 ( George H W Year )
1992 .......... 1,293 ( George H W Year )

1993 ...........1,213 ( Clinton Year)
1994 .......... 1,075 ( Clinton Year)
1995 .......... 2,465 ( Clinton Year)
1996 ......... 2,318 ( Clinton Year)
1997 .......... 817 ( Clinton Year)
1998 .......... 2,252 ( Clinton Year)
1999 .......... 1,984 ( Clinton Year)
2000 ...........1,983 ( Clinton Year)

2001 ............. 890( George W Year )
2002 ........... 1,007 ( George W Year )
2003 ........... 1,410 ( George W Year )
2004 .......... 1,887 ( George W Year )
2005 ............. 919 ( George W Year )
2006.............. 920 ( George W Year )
2007.............. 899 ( George W Year )

Clinton years (1993-2000): 14,107 deaths

George W years (2001-2007): 7,932 deaths

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Lets use this thread to shoot down the left wingers lies and propaganda with facts.

[edit on 21-8-2008 by Crakeur]

Bluess

posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 06:33 PM

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Maybe you have a link to your source?

mr-lizard

posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 06:33 PM

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Only 7392 deaths...

Amazing.... Go Bush

In fact why don't you go tell the families of the dead soldiers, i'm sure they'll love you.

TXMACHINEGUNDLR

posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 06:34 PM

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Before they ask here is where I got my info.
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TXMACHINEGUNDLR

posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 06:36 PM

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Whatever.......Keep using feelings and not fact and you will loose... I served my country. DID YOU

benevolent tyrant

posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 06:54 PM

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Originally posted by Bluess
Maybe you have a link to your source?

While I am not entirely certain as to the source used to ascertain the statistics in the OP, such data is readily obtained.

For instance, you might consider studying the statistics supplied by this source:

CRS Report for Congress This report offers a rather extensive listing of US Military deaths (combat and otherwise).

DarthChrisious

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posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 07:09 PM

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That's all fine and dandy. But there's a big difference between dying for your country (where deaths are justified) and dying for the interests and profit of big oil companies (where it's murder).

My opinion of Bush remains the same. In fact, all you've done is reaffirmed my belief that Bush should be tried and convicted of war crimes and investigated for conspiracy to commit murder of nearly 3000 people on September 11, 2001.

Hal9000

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posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 07:50 PM

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reply to post by TXMACHINEGUNDLR

The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

OK, but let’s do this again using your source with military casualties due to hostile action.

From Table 5, on Page 11.

1980 .......... 0 ( Carter Year )

1981 .......... 0 ( Reagan Year)
1982 .......... 0 ( Reagan Year)
1983 .......... 18 ( Reagan Year)
1984 .......... 1 ( Reagan Year)
1985 .......... 0 ( Reagan Year)
1986 .......... 2 ( Reagan Year)
1987 .......... 37 ( Reagan Year)
1988 .......... 0 ( Reagan Year)

1989 .......... 23 ( George H W Year )
1990 .......... 0 ( George H W Year )
1991 .......... 147 ( George H W Year )
1992 .......... 0 ( George H W Year )

1993 ...........0 ( Clinton Year)
1994 .......... 0 ( Clinton Year)
1995 .......... 0 ( Clinton Year)
1996 .......... 1 ( Clinton Year)
1997 .......... 0 ( Clinton Year)
1998 .......... 0 ( Clinton Year)
1999 .......... 0 ( Clinton Year)
2000 ...........0 ( Clinton Year)

2001 .......... 3 ( George W Year )
2002 .......... 18 ( George W Year )
2003 .......... 343 ( George W Year )
2004 .......... 739 ( George W Year )
2005 .......... 739 ( George W Year )
2006 .......... 761 ( George W Year )
2007 .......... Not Listed

Clinton years (1993-2000): 1 death

George W years (2001-2006): 2,603 deaths

There’s a big difference. The number you posted included other causes and most were due to accidents, which were reduced over the years. Other deaths include homicide, suicide, and terrorism. Why didn't you mention that?

Actually, I expected more in 1993 from the Battle of Mogadishu, but I guess that was considered a terrorist attack.

If you are going to use the number of deaths of American soldiers for political reasons, at least try to get your numbers right.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

DMTeed

posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 07:53 PM

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reply to post by TXMACHINEGUNDLR

LOL, who in the hell would defend George Bush!!! LOL

Lets look at the bigger picture!!!!!!!!!

jpm1602

posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 07:54 PM

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Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice and umm, umm, der, umm 'you don't fool me again.' Enough said.

W3RLIED2

posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 08:05 PM

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Originally posted by TXMACHINEGUNDLR

George W years (2001-2007): 7,932 deaths

Lets use this thread to shoot down the left wingers lies and propaganda with facts.

Ther are other forums on the net where you might find people of weaker resolve and of weaker mind, but i think all you'll find here is that there are 7,932 more reasons for bush to be impeached and thrown out of office. I know he wont be becasue they have the system by the balls but he should be.

You can gang up on the lefties all you want but using fellow soldiers, FELLOW DEAD AMERICANS, as examples of bush's greatness is a big reach. What trash.

harvib

posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 08:44 PM

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reply to post by TXMACHINEGUNDLR

1993 ...........1,213 ( Clinton Year)
1994 .......... 1,075 ( Clinton Year)
1995 .......... 2,465 ( Clinton Year)
1996 ......... 2,318 ( Clinton Year)
1997 .......... 817 ( Clinton Year)
1998 .......... 2,252 ( Clinton Year)
1999 .......... 1,984 ( Clinton Year)
2000 ...........1,983 ( Clinton Year)

I’m confused by your data that you listed. In the source you provided looking at the table of deaths by year it shows different numbers then you show for some of the years you listed. For example in 1995 you have listed 2,465 according to your source it shows 1,040. In fact there are several years that you seem to have inflated numbers for. What am I missing???

Here are the correct stats using your source

Year Total Deaths
1993... 1,213
1994... 1,075
1995... 1,040
1996... 974
1997... 817
1998... 827
1999... 796
2000... 758
2001... 891

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Hal9000

posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 08:56 PM

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reply to post by harvib

The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

Good catch. I didn't notice that myself. His numbers aren't right even for all military deaths.

Your numbers are right except for

1996 which should be 974, not 1974, and

2001, which should be 891 not 1891.

You should still have time to fix that.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

EvilBat

posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 09:10 PM

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reply to post by TXMACHINEGUNDLR

Might just want to re-read that source
as others pointed out the numbers are not correct

call me a bush basher or left wing if you want
but reading that looks like clinton
years were better

~Lucidity

posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 09:15 PM

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reply to post by TXMACHINEGUNDLR

did you add all the "contractors?" just asking. also, i believe someone caught this but your clinton year numbers are WAY high.

Animal

posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 11:30 PM

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OUCH!

I could feel the SMACK DOWN all the way down here in the Land of Enchantment.

Good On Ya Hal9000 ... That was boss.

Bush is a War Monger, For Profit, War Pig ... Defending him is a shame.

This is my humble opinion.

_Del_

posted on Aug, 20 2008 @ 11:45 PM

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I somehow flagged this ( ??? ), but at any rate it was an interesting post. What surprises me is that the Clinton numbers were so high (relatively). And that the losses at wartime footing don't seem to be any higher than peace time attrition.
Put in light of the fact that over 16,000 people die in a given year due to drunk driving, the numbers for war time losses, while no less tragic, actually seem rather small.

jitombe

posted on Aug, 21 2008 @ 12:07 AM

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Originally posted by TXMACHINEGUNDLR
Whatever.......Keep using feelings and not fact and you will loose... I served my country. DID YOU

Ahh, now I see where you are coming from. First of all, thank you for serving our country, I respect you for doing that. I would have joined the military myself but I believe in leading by example. Pres. Clinton ran away when he had his chance to serve and Pres GW ended up going awol. Two ass clowns ended up being commander in chief with no real military service. I will never have any respect for chicken hawks and that is why I will never serve in the military of this country. One year of ROTC is as close as I ever got, thank you and everyone else who has served for being bold and blind enough to risk your life on behalf of retarded commander in chiefs.

blabla123

posted on Aug, 21 2008 @ 12:29 AM

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I like how the author of this thread got whooped in his own argument. Hilarious stuff. Keep it up!

stikkinikki

posted on Aug, 21 2008 @ 12:43 AM

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It's just starting too. The whole edifice of lies and propaganda and fear mongering are being exposed. We have actually had our second Vietnam and something WORSE than Watergate. The lie behind the WMD claim is out in the open and on public record. Sending our military into an unnecessary war with FORGED evidence is tantamount to treason.

T-R-E-A-S-O-N

question is who will be the patriots that rescue the ship from the mutineers and steer it back into port?