Georgia vs. South Ossetia: From Conflict to Major War, No one will dare attack Russia

Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
reply to post by GrndLkNatv

 

Overrun, domination...... It is a nuclear era! China will not advance a lot before facing nuke ultimatum. And Russians are as smart a nation as any and will not kill each other because of several special ops. Those people won WW2.
The situation in which US forces will act against Russia on Russian soil is the situation in which few hours later insects become highest intelligent life form on this planet - in the best case. In the worst - future Europa astronomers will argue about weird asteroid field between Venus and Mars.

And if youre really really lucky, youll be picking grass to eat in a few years. None of these people get it. "Blah blah we can kick so and so butt blah blah" UM NO YOU CANT! The USA cannot kick Russians butt END OF STORY GAME OVER PLZ DRIVE THRU YOUR BURGER IS READY!!!

Thats why nukes were made, you cant defeat Russia EVER!
You cannot defeat the USA EVER!
You cannot defeat China EVER!!!

Thats it end of story, you threaten and the entire planet dies.
So much for experienced troops, they mean a pile of beans compared to real warfare. REAL warfare IS NOT troops vs troops. Welcome to the 21st century folks. It seems a WHOLE lot of people open their mouths and know absolutely nothing about the situation at hand.

Experienced troops dont mean a dang thing dude, wtf is that about?
You know absolutely nothing about combat in the 21st century.



Also STOP reading Pravada! Multiple friends of mine in Russia say its like the star over here. Its balogna.

[edit on 14-8-2008 by Memysabu]

The USA and the Russians need to duke it out.
Be it nukes or troops. Its time to settle old scores. We saved there asses in WW2 supplying them, takeing the heat off the east front by invading france, and they repaid us by 40+ years of commie terror.

Even now we have Iran, N. korea and our newest enemy "Hugo the Stupidest" Mouthing off that they and they alone can give us a whooping.

These bastards need to feel the taste of well trained American troops beating the snot out of them.
I'm not talking about "Nation building" like we're doing in Iraq and else where.
I'm talking about trash and burn. Kill them all below a 40% population rate and see if they still want to fight or talk trash.


My guess is they would welcome a few nation builders into russia after a limited nuke strike takes out 1/2 of the infrastructure.
Anyone who thinks the US can't defend itsself against aging Russian, or China made nuke subs, or sites is in for a treat when we EMP all of russia and china before a strike.

I for one wouldent want to risk a ww3 or ingage Russia just because we have a strong army.

What if we are wrong about the Russian power and ouer 100% bullet proff rocket sheald and fancy toys. That would realy suck wouldent it. Because what do we realy know and what makes us so sure that we will survive all this.

I want to live a good life and die of old age. Not over a stupid challenge of who has the bigest diiick The US or Russia. I couldent care less.

To prove who is the strongest nation by war and reataliation would mean a lot off dead people as well and you might be one of them. We all have just one life we dont get a new one. I want to enjoy my life dont you.

[edit on 27.06.08 by spy66]

I wish people would stop posting articles from PRAVDA .. it's a garbage tabloid rag and nothing ever posted from PRAVDA has ever been proven true or even remotely accurate..

It would be like me reading the Onion and then posting the news articles declaring it must be true..

It was on the net after all..

Originally posted by Memysabu
And if youre really really lucky, youll be picking grass to eat in a few years. None of these people get it. "Blah blah we can kick so and so butt blah blah" UM NO YOU CANT! The USA cannot kick Russians butt END OF STORY GAME OVER PLZ DRIVE THRU YOUR BURGER IS READY!!!

You would only be eating grass if you have no stored food/drinking water.....

Thats why nukes were made, you cant defeat Russia EVER!
You cannot defeat the USA EVER!
You cannot defeat China EVER!!!

Defeat of victory has little to do with the damage inflicted and everything to do with stated goals and perceptions. It is most certainly not accurate to presume that countries can not win or that everyone must lose.

Thats it end of story, you threaten and the entire planet dies.

Why would the planet die? Since when was it alive? Are you telling me that you still believe in the nuclear winter theory that were so briefly in vogue with educated people?

So much for experienced troops, they mean a pile of beans compared to real warfare. REAL warfare IS NOT troops vs troops. Welcome to the 21st century folks. It seems a WHOLE lot of people open their mouths and know absolutely nothing about the situation at hand.

I agree and i think you should type a bit less than you are.

Experienced troops dont mean a dang thing dude, wtf is that about?
You know absolutely nothing about combat in the 21st century.

Without experienced/very well trained troops there is little sense even fighting conventional war and a nuclear one just involves more variables which will probably require more of both. The notion that one can blanket entire regions with nuclear blasts so as to somehow prevent large formations of units from ever fighting over what's less is about as ignorant as it is misinformed.

lso STOP reading Pravada! Multiple friends of mine in Russia say its like the star over here. Its balogna.

Yes, if Pravda is your only source you don't have much of a source but that is in a way true for everything in print.

Stellar

Originally posted by GrndLkNatv
Nobody has to attack Russia, just send in SEALS, GB's and the Rangers in Russian Uniforms and play a little subterfuge... We could literally have the Russian Army destroy itself in a matter of a couple of weeks, have them fire on each other, etc... Not only that, we don't have to attack Russia, we can defend Georgia, put the shoe on the other foot, Russian can't afford to attack the rest of the world, especially if the United States can get the help of the Chinese... China could over-run Russia in a week, complete and total domination.

Not only that the Russian border with China is currently lightly defended.If the Chinese and Russians have a pact,ill bet you theres alot of mistrust there.China just might have to cross the Russian border to "protect"its citizens living in russia.

Dear friend Rock, so you mean like much of the US media then, not seen much truth from those sources for along time now.

And from TASS
By Lyudmila Alexandrova, Itar-Tass World Service writer



Russian mass media rumors that Moscow may use Cuban airbases in retaliation to the U.S. moves to deploy elements of the national antiballistic missile system in the Czech Republic and Poland have produced a sharp reaction in Washington - not at the official level so far, though.

Russian media surmise the deployment of strategic warplanes in Cuba might be a part of the asymmetric response that Moscow has threatened with, and they recall in this connection the Caribbean Missile Crisis of 1962, when the dispatching of medium-range missiles to Cuba by the then Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev drove the two superpowers nearly to the verge of a nuclear war.

In the meantime, Russia urges the U.S. to introduce clarity in the situation around the antiballistic missiles system.

A report that the Kremlin is considering a possibility of strategic aviation flights to Cuba as a counterweight to U.S. ABM plans for Eastern Europe appeared in the well-connected Izvestia daily earlier this week.

"While they /the Americans/ are deploying their ABM elements in Poland and the Czech Republic, our strategic jets are already landing in Cuba," a high-rank source told the newspaper, whose correspondents decided to verify the information.

"In theory, our long-range strategic jets can get to any corner of the globe," Izvestia wrote. "The supersonic missile carrier Tupolev-160 (Russian Air Force pilots call it the White Swan) and the strategic bomber Tupolev-95MS (nicknamed the Bear in NATO) have the performance characteristics allowing them to reach Cuba, but performances are not enough as such, since flights of the kind require political decisions."

"Talk about it is in the air, but this is mere talking and nothing more, although I wouldn't rush to claim it's totally devoid of substance," a well-informed source at the Long-Range Strategic Aviation Staff told Izvestia.

Crews of Russian long-range airlift forces do make flights to Cuba, though - on business contracts issued by private companies.

U.S. radars would certainly register the landings of the White Swans and Bears in Cuba, should they have really landed there, Izvestia said adding that the space between Cuba and the U.S. is a mere 90 miles. All the more so that the U.S. has its own eyes and ears right inside Cuba - on the infamous Guantanamo base.

Colonel-General Leonid Ivashov, who formerly stood at the head of the external defense cooperation department at the Russian Ministry of Defense told Izvestia Cuba does not need Russian jets as a force permanently based there but local airdromes could well be used for refueling purposes.

A possibility of Russian long-range strategic aviation flights to Cuba might be a good response to the U.S. plans for placing its antiballistic missile bases near Russian borders, Army General Pyotr Deinekin, the former Chief Commander of the Air Force was quoted by the NEWSru.com portal as saying.

"If they really begin to work on plans for this, it'll be a great step to retaliate NATO's attempts to deploy bases near Russia's borders," Gen Deinekin said. "There are no doubts from the viewpoint of implementation of those plans that the jets and crews of our long-range aviation are cable of flying to Cuba and getting deployed there."


Is this all horse manure as well or do you only believe in what your media says?

Originally posted by magicmushroom
Despite the efforts of the US/Israel to embroil and distract Russia in the Gergian conflict whilst they attack Iran its quite clear that the Russians are on the ball and are aware of whats going on in the ME and the planned attack on Iran.

Russia and its allies are not going to sit back whilst the West led the the US attack and rape Iran and it is clear that Russia will take steps to prevent any such attack on Iran or the blockading of the gulf region. China will be watching also to see what happens with the large Armada that is heading for the gulf.

Oh, how many times has the United States attacked Iran again?

What's that?

Oh, zero. Thanks.

John, what does attack mean, it can mean many things, how many times have I read from various sources that the US has had people inside Iran up to no good. And dont blame the messenger, its POTUS and his cronies who are telling us every other day that Iran is a threat to World peace, well to be fair so does Israel and the UK.

Perhaps you can answer the question I have put to many members, especially Americans, just what weapons systems do they have or possibly could have that can hit America or the West. Liar Blair said that Saddam Insane could hit the UK in 45 minutes which was a blatant lie then and is now.

Now we are told that Iran can do the same, How? and with what and even in a worse case csenario where Iran did have nukes they would be hit a thousnad times over by the rest of us would they not if they used them. I dont recall the US saying we should attack Pakistan or India when they aquired nukes, and dont give me the Muslims are fanatics crap because there are more fanatics and warmongers on our side, proven fact.

Originally posted by GrndLkNatv
Nobody has to attack Russia, just send in SEALS, GB's and the Rangers in Russian Uniforms and play a little subterfuge...

I hope you relialize that this is a war crime according to Geneva Conventions (and I thought you were of military background, guess not).

Originally posted by magicmushroom
Perhaps you can answer the question I have put to many members, especially Americans, just what weapons systems do they have or possibly could have that can hit America or the West. Liar Blair said that Saddam Insane could hit the UK in 45 minutes which was a blatant lie then and is now.

Now we are told that Iran can do the same, How?

Well you can't just say "mutually assured destruction, therefore no threat." I think it's highly unlikely that Iran could ever strike us with nukes, since such a delivery system isn't exactly easy to get. And a huge chunk of our administration (US) said that Iraq could - listen to this - deliver biological weapons to the Eastern U.S. with unmanned drones. The intelligence that was ignored, and the intelligence that wasn't, leading up to the Iraq War, is either a case of gross stupidity or manipulation (these aren't mutually exclusive, though). So don't get me started on that.

Mike , yes I see what you mean, like the japs sending over all those balloons to the US in ww2. Remember we know what Saddam had and his capabilities and this was after gulf one when he got the crap knocked out of him. After that we had more than a decade of sanctions and no fly zones over the country, people starving and the country piss poor then all of a sudden Iraq's a World wide threat, oh please stop it you making me laugh.

Even a lay person knows that from drawing board to in service takes decades not months or a few years. And while you mention chem/bio weapons, who have the biggest stocks, the US and Russia.

Look it at it like this, its like your sitting in your yard with a mini gun and your getting pissed because you neighbour has just bought a .22 does that sound scary to you, would you see that as a threat?

Look it at it like this, its like your sitting in your yard with a mini gun and your getting pissed because you neighbour has just bought a .22 does that sound scary to you, would you see that as a threat?

That's a good way to put it. You've made a lot of good points in this thread.

I'm convinced the threat IS nuclear though. I believe the ptb are in fact scared of Iran and its not because of their weapons. It is because of their religion and because of the fact that their central bank is not controlled by the ptb. This is the real threat, and I do agree with the fact that their religion IS a threat to the ENTIRE world! I wish Russia would not ally themselves with Iran.