Russia Orders Destruction of US Naval Armada In Persian Gulf

Bad News! Georgia Says Russia Still Bombing Despite "Halt"
Looks like this thing is far from over.

Go joke somewhere else. Nothing is over. Reporter from my country present in Georgia send info about Russians bombing Telephony networks and infrastructure two hours ago. They will also most likely destroy the oil-pipes, and stay in the country until pro-russian goverment gets elected. Then they will make the new goverment ask them to stay and help...

Originally posted by jaroslav
Go joke somewhere else. Nothing is over. Reporter from my country present in Georgia send info about Russians bombing Telephony networks and infrastructure two hours ago. They will also most likely destroy the oil-pipes, and stay in the country until pro-russian goverment gets elected. Then they will make the new goverment ask them to stay and help...

And you would prefer the U.S. ?

Really helpful they are - considering what they did to the Vietnamese during their war - the Iraqis, the Iranians.

Which part of DON'T TRUST AMERICANS don't you get.

americans are really good guys compared to russians.. if usa didn't save europe in 40's we would be speaking russian today. russians the other hand did so much crimes against humanity in that war that would make hitler look like a harmles little boy.. i surely hope US never let's those old comunist bastards get the upperhand

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look im starting to get tired of being labeled as some fat lazy, stuid, war mongering killing raping pillaging evil scourge on the face of the planet.


WE did not ASK the terrorists to hide in the public and use the fact that we can't tell one person from another as cover to attack us.

THEY ARE HIDING IN THEIR OWN PEOPLE, THEY ARE MAKING TARGETS OUT OF THEIR BROTHERS AND SISTERS. WE ARE SIMPLY TRYING TO STAY ALIVE.

so in closing you are ignorant, and celaerly have no idea about the past 3 major wars we have been involved in...

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we did what he had to do, when you can't tell enemy from friend. you have to kill anyone that looks like they are a threat. period. it's war.. it's dirty it's bloody, and it isn't always fair. but we have pretty strict ROE (rules of engagement) and don't run around shooting and blowing people up because it's fun.

[SNIP] anti american ignorant rhetoric.



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Originally posted by SRTkid86
reply to post by audas

 

we did what he had to do, when you can't tell enemy from friend. you have to kill anyone that looks like they are a threat. period. it's war.. it's dirty it's bloody, and it isn't always fair. but we have pretty strict ROE (rules of engagement) and don't run around shooting and blowing people up because it's fun.

*SNIP* you anti American ignorant rhetoric.

You’ve got to be kidding right?

What about Dresden?

Nagasaki?

maybe Felluga where your country has recently used Chemical Weapons on Civilians?

Or prior to that using "Napalm Lite" on troops outside Baghdad.

I must oppose the thrust of your statement above with Factual recent and historically repeated affinity to actually quite like Blowing people up.

And usually in a way that is Banned by the rest of the world, due to their Inhuman nature:

The Pentagon denied using napalm at the time, but Marine pilots and their commanders have confirmed that they used an upgraded version of the weapon against dug-in positions.

They said napalm, which has a distinctive smell, was used because of its psychological effect on an enemy.

A 1980 UN convention banned the use against civilian targets of napalm, a terrifying mixture of jet fuel and polystyrene that sticks to skin as it burns.

The US, which did not sign the treaty, is one of the few countries that makes use of the weapon. It was employed notoriously against both civilian and military targets in the Vietnam war.

The upgraded weapon, which uses kerosene rather than petrol, was used in March and April, when dozens of napalm bombs were dropped near bridges over the Saddam Canal and the Tigris river, south of Baghdad.

"We napalmed both those [bridge] approaches," said Colonel James Alles, commander of Marine Air Group 11. "Unfortunately there were people there ... you could see them in the [cockpit] video. They were Iraqi soldiers. It's no great way to die.

The generals love napalm. It has a big psychological effect."

Global Security ok?;-)

Here is a US Soldier talking about the use of Phosphorous on CIVILIANS in Felluga.
You wont see this broadcast in the US TV!

Maybe just maybe my friend, rightly or wrongly that’s why people do stereotype some people as you labelled yourself above,

Were not right, your not right! its greyer than that!

However I was mainly going to ask, and couldn’t do a one liner!

How in all that is normal, did terrorism and the US, and people sneaking around get into this discussion? I don’t follow your train of thought at all!

Seems the thread has degenerated to discussion with similar gravitas, and standing, regard as the OP's original Source.


Please close the thread Mods...

Please?

[edit on 12-8-2008 by MischeviousElf]

[edit on 8/12/08 by FredT]

Sorcha Faal.... I agree, what a waste of my time. Threads like these ruin ATS for us all.

I strongly doubt Russia has what it takes to destroy that fleet.

A nuclear strike on our Fleet will justify a retaliation strike by our Minuteman batteries.

[edit on 12-8-2008 by havingfun]

Irrespective of the validity of the source the fact that some members here think that a confrontaion with Russia and others will be easy are in for a big shock.

Yes the US has massive navy resources on the way to the gulf and other supporting units and the Russians and their allies have not. So thats all the more reason for Russia to nuke the whole lot in one go, Russia does not have to compete with the West all it has to do is use a megaton sized nuke and its goodbye to that massive armada.

Russia and its allies are not going to standby while the West led by the US place a strangle hold over its fuel supplies and expand Nato to its borders. So all those members here gleefully and proudly jumping up and down getting orgasmic at the size of the US armada just need to remember all it will take is just one nuke to send the lot to the bottom of the ocean.

And what will the US do then, with its best units taken out what will it do, an attack on Russia knowing full well that Russia has 2nd and 3rd strike capabilities. And its ABM system is far superior to anything the West has. And the Goverment has provided civillian protection for years which the West has not and the US has spent about $10 by comparison to protect its people.

And contrary to what many think Russia has been spending far more on its military than its ever revealed and they are not the spear chuckers that many think they are.

This is all a very dangerous gamble and one that has implications for us all. If this goes nuclear all will suffer even the brain dead patriots of America who think they will be safe in that bubble that they live in will die, there wont be much shouting and hollering then when your country and other countries lie in ruins and we are breathing nuke fallout for years to come.

Its obvious reading some of the replies here and on other threads that many people, usually Americans think that this is all a big game and that they obviously lack the cranial capacity to realise that it is not and that they have no inkling to just how vunerable they and their countries are.
The fact that they have swallowed the lies and deceit for so long that they see themselves as immortals and therefore cannot possibly lose or suffer. And that their country is immune to direct attacks from any source will come as a great shock.

If the US cannot protect itself from a group of alleged terrorists in highjacked planes what are they going to do when the brown stuff really hits the fan.

Originally posted by havingfun
I strongly doubt Russia has what it takes to destroy that fleet.

That's the really scary thing havingfun, they could easily inflict quite a blow to even this Armada. They have some advantages if in a real situation such as this;

The VA-111 Shkval (from Russian: шквал - squall ) torpedo and its descendants are supercavitating torpedoes developed by the Russian Navy. They are capable of speeds in excess of 200 knots (370 km/h).

This and more than a handful, especially in the Submarine Theatre means that quite a large proportion of this super fleet would go the bottom.

Of course 99% of the Russian fleet would be new fish homes as well.
if such a war was underway.

The speed of the VA-111 far exceeds that of any standard torpedo currently fielded by NATO. This speed is a result of supercavitation: the torpedo is, in effect, flying in a gas bubble created by outward deflection of water by its specially shaped nose cone and the expansion of gases from its engine. By keeping water from contacting the surface of the body of the torpedo, this significantly reduces drag and allows extremely high speeds. In effect, the Shkval is an underwater missile.

Wiki Supercavitating Torpedo

This is the scary reality of modern day Brinkmanship, there has been enough Posturing, spin about WMD 9/11 etc

The last thing, as already alluded to by those who were disturbed by seeing this thread, the current world needs is People reading this and believing it, especially with the current situation vis a vis Georgia.

I mean lets be real and remember guys, these people Posturing, playing brinkmanship and regional rape, having their fingers on the buttons of armaments like the above, these War Politicrat's have already used sources shown to be untrue,

My god in recent years a briefing on Al Queada given to COBRA the high level security meeting in London was picked by an analyst from the net, and turned out to be wrong!

They "breifed" us on that tripe and info too.
God forbid that with modern spin and communications in the flash of an eye, and its manipulation, BS stories like this one could start a war!

Maybe Colin Powell can come back and show us a dossier on "intelligence" and "sources" "Assets" showing us where the WMD.. no sorry,

Showing us where the "Russian Navy is coming to Attack the US Fleet"

God next day could be lucky coming, or a very different dark and truly uncool one!

IF YOU READING THIS DO NOT TRUST THE ORIGINAL SOURCE MULTIPLE AND REGULAR SCARE STORIES!

Kind Regards,

Elf


[edit on 12-8-2008 by MischeviousElf]

Further info

After Putin became president in 2000, the former KGB spy embarked on a military buildup as oil production boosted Russia's economy by an average of 26 percent each year. Putin has since become prime minister after serving two terms as president, and he remains a driving force behind Russia's military policies.

The Defense Ministry launched an eight-year, $189 billion plan last year to build a new generation of intercontinental missiles, nuclear submarines, aircraft carriers and radars and make other upgrades.

One ominously distinctive feature — particularly with the Kremlin's increasingly bellicose rhetoric toward Washington and other Western governments — is Russia's stature as the second largest nuclear superpower, behind the United States.

Although the two countries are committed to reducing nuclear stockpiles under a 2002 arms agreement, Russia still has an estimated 7,200 nuclear warheads, compared with 5,730 for the United States, according to the Center for Defense Information.

"A military confrontation with Russia would be unlike a confrontation with any other country because they still have a superpower-sized nuclear arsenal," said defense analyst Loren Thompson, an executive with the Lexington Institute, a defense-policy research center in Arlington, Va.

Russia also boasts one of the world's most respected air forces, with sophisticated multi-role warplanes such as the MiG-29 and the Su-27. It's moving aggressively to develop unmanned aircraft similar to those the United States is using in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Originally posted by space cadet

Scorcha Faal

Need I say anything more?

Sorry for the short post, but when I see this name there is no need to try to dispute, I already know it's trash.

Man, you got a LOT of stars.


Must mean it's the truth.

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CNN reported that Russia sent ships to that sea.

[edit on 12-8-2008 by lilangeljazzie]

Originally posted by UnitedSatesofFreemasons
Would they Really intercept the armada? This fleet is no joke. I do not know how much Russia could really do against it, let alone Iran. This is all very carefully timed. Operation Brimestone is going to be B.A.D.

[edit on 11-8-2008 by UnitedSatesofFreemasons]

Don't forget about the Star Fleet the USA built with all those Star Wars
dollars Reagan gave the military during the 1980s.
Those Russian military toys are just that.....toys.
Toys that could be destroyed in minutes by the successfully
reverse engineered alien technology that the USA now has.
Putin being ex KGB knows we have it. He won't do anything
stupid. He knows the truth.

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Don't think even far fetched posts can not have some valid ideas. Did you know that U.S. scrambled Fighters towards Alaska on Friday?

No of course not.

At the Pentegon what should scare you is that the U.S. is terrified about the actions Russia is taking at this moment.

I think we are at Defcon 3 or 2 right now...

Russia wants Georgia under their complete control, and Ukraine is wondering what Russia will do next. Russia has already proven to me that it is not just about big talk and threats...

I can just see the next statement from Russia, "Our actions today are due to United States Provocation, and continued meddling in a part of the world that they have no business".

heh heh

Originally posted by emile
Very well, it is the time, let them to try US stealth fighter F-22.

That will be not only one Backfire down, more bear will be down.

I heard on Fox News that Israel says Iran will have a nuclear bomb
in less than 1 year.
If we don't take care of Iran, then Israel will.
President Bush could disarm Iran before he leaves office.
The window of opportunity is November 15, 2008 - January 15, 2009.

I know America is corrupt and has done/is doing HORRIBLE things that aren't covered by the media, but please realize the ignorant americans you deal with and hear about aren't the only kind there are. I'm american too and I just don't want everyone ignoring the fact that some of us here are human and care about the planet. it bothers me when I see people get grouped into herds, every nationality does it and it's why the world is such a crappy place presently, we don't cooperate and act racist. Instead we just struggle for power and attack each other out of fear.

Of course Russia could beat us up badly. Both our countries have enough nukes to blow the planet up 100 times over and probably more.

sowing reaping dancing with the devil ooh esss aaaa will get the harvest that Earth spits out to cancer on the face of planet ...

Threads like this make Russians look stupid. They are not. If they hit the US NAVY it would be the end of the world. For all of us. The Russian people are pretty much our neighbors too. Alaska is just a stones throw away from Russian soil. That is what in the end pisses me off so much over the crap both Russia and the US pull on each other. We should be "brothers" and allies. How that crazy bastard Stalin ever got us this far apart makes me truly believe in Satan. Ohhhh and yeah this thread makes us all dumber.