Russia Orders Destruction of US Naval Armada In Persian Gulf

Originally posted by The_Alarmist2012
How did a crap news item like this get so many flags?

Cause most people don't read more then the Headline...


Ya, i know...

This is absolute garbage...
Faal is the most well known source of disinfo in the world...

reply to post by AllSeeingI


Again where the hell does it say that Russia wants to destroy US NAVY in the gulf? It does not say that, because that is a lie. Iran is not going to get hit by the US and WW3 is not in the cards. Russia and the US will not launch over Georgia. Not gonna happen.

I don't know the source of this map, but it does show quite a lot of rationale for the troop movements in Georgia and subsequent war.



DocMoreau

Russia is not ready for open conventional warfare with full U.S. and NATO forces. They are a nation of 142 million people, and their technology, while adequet, is not up to par with U.S./NATO in almost every area.

Russia's size is an illusion. The USA has over double the population of Russia, dont forget that. Russia's only option if this went to WWIII would be nuclear; it would have to be an all out mutual destruction, through it all away, all nations die, civilization ends type of situation for Russia to go there. Do you really think little ole Georgia is worth it to Russia to "go there" with the nukes and start the end of civilization? Is Georgia and Ossetia THAT important? Heck no..

Russia just wants to pound them into crap like Israel did to Lebanon, despite international calls for ceasefire and peace, destroying all infastructure, killing many civilians, and destroying military targets. Taking out bridges and airfields, as well as pipelines are already taking place, this is precisely what Israel did to Lebanon. Think of it in those terms. Did the world tell Israel to stop? Yes. Did they? Not until THEY wanted to ..

Russia is doing the same thing, and also making an example out of Georgia at the same time, so as to say they are not afraid to exert force in their own regions, and they are not afraid to bomb the crap out of any ex-Soviet Republic foolish enough to tangle with them in warfare.

Make sense?

wars=scams..giant puppet shows for domination of peoples & resources

FLASHBACK: JULY 15th MSNBC: US IN GEORGIA DOING WAR GAMES
U.S.-Georgia training begins amid Russia strain
Officials: Exercises unrelated to friction between Moscow, ex-Soviet state

www.msnbc.msn.com...

You know, these types of posts can be just as dangerous as, if not more so, than the truth. In a time when appearances can be just as destructive as reality, this sort of nonsense is exactly what is not needed as these sorts of false and inflamatory stories often serve as the foundation for a reality that non of us really want to experience.

Fortunately, a number of posters have seen the 'op' article for the total crap that it is. How the hell do these threads get started, and why is such evident liar-mongering allowed onto the forum to reduce its credibility? The 'op' poster should have thought this one through fully before opening the thread. The 'op' should've used their power of discernment more succinctly.

Neither Nato or the US are about to engage Russia over the conflict it is engaged in with Georgia. Now that Georgia is appealing for help from the West, it is looking more and more likely that Georgia acted brashly and rashly, thinking the West would come to its aid...they thought wrong...it won't!

Georgia has acted like little brother going up against someone far bigger than them and is now getting a spanking from the larger opponent. Crying, the child now seeks retribution from its larger brother, but the brother is wise...he knows that he cannot win the fight, only a mutual destrution.

The lines in the sand have been re-drawn, now the Russians must not enact regime change, that is the new line, but from this, the Russians will become ever more emboldend and confident of themselves, leading possibly to future mistakes by them. It all hangs on how the Russians treat the Georgians, and whether or not they seek the Georgian president for war crimes. Stupid is as stupid gets...the Georgians were utterly idiotic to do what they did. The message from the Russians is that if you start on them, you're going to get seriously hurt.

Any conflict between Russia and NATO/US forces would most certainly and rapidly go nuclear. Conventional ordinance between these armies would quickly be superceded with nuclear useage. I doubt the West view Georgia important enough for them to engage each other. The potential for this is indeed in the air, but for it to materialize it would take other disagreements and issues to be poured into the crucible. If the West issues a deadline to the Russians that's when we can all wet our keks!

Best wishes

There's one born every minute...

For the further edification of those who may wander into this thread and may not yet be convinced of Sorcha... Errr David Booth's complete lack of integrity I humbly submit the following:

Sorcha Faal... Internet Hoax Queen Courtesy of David Booth...

Doom Monkeys, not just for the end of the world as we know it anymore...

Title Should be changed , tis very alarmist in the current world situation and ATS has a lot of influence ,

Especially so considering the Source.

If Putin does ever give such an order I'm pretty confident it won't get on the message boards before the outbreak of actual hostilities... Sure, this is the information age, but I doubt their security protocols are that lax...

Tensions are high in Georgia, and these sort of threads don't help, even if I doubt the fleet commanders get to read them.

Originally posted by space cadet

Scorcha Faal

Need I say anything more?

Sorry for the short post, but when I see this name there is no need to try to dispute, I already know it's trash.

Ad hominem argument.

Oil Pipeline Wars

Washington's bloody fingerprints are all over the invasion of South Ossetia. Georgia President Mikhail Saakashvili would never dream of launching a massive military attack unless he got explicit orders from his bosses at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. After all, Saakashvili owes his entire political career to American power-brokers and US intelligence agencies.

uruknet.info...

How is this the US fault. So why would the US tell Georgia to attack Russia and then ditch them. Obviously, the Georgian president will spill the beans if they were left for dead, it has yet happened. Seriously, some people are making up bs from the top of their heads.

Sound more like Russia wants to beat the crap out of Georgia to teach them a lesson. Doesn't make sense that Georgia would want to start a war that they know they would lose.

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Originally posted by Quantum_Squirrel
Title Should be changed , tis very alarmist in the current world situation and ATS has a lot of influence ,

Especially so considering the Source.

I could not agree more. 16 flags and its almost near the top of the most flagged list. Such an obvious hoax should not be on the front page as it just looks bad. Not to mention various news sources use us to get a jump on breaking news.

First of all, Russia planning to Defend Iran is FAR from Russian planning an attack against a United States Naval Task Force. Russia knows better. Second, let Iran even take ONE shot at a U.S.N Vessel, and see how quickly their infrastructure vanishes. Third, Iran is already discreetly engaging the United States in Iraq, and have thus commenced in an act of War against America. YET, American MIL Forces are staying focused, and getting the OIF job done. The only way the United States will be engaged in an Open War with Iran is if they Blatantly attack American Forces, and even then it will be a Strategic strike against the Iranian Infrastructure.

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"Iran is already discreetly engaging the United States in Iraq, and have thus commenced in an act of War against America"

It is actually the reverse. You are lying. I am telling you.

Could this surprise attack be the start of the wormwood? All signs seem to point to Israel. Is the real war to come not with Iran but with Russia?

I can't believe that this thread is still going. PLEASE, people, don't give David Booth a reason to continue this trash. It would be nice if the ATS moderators had a BOT that could recognize Sorcha Faal trash, and send it to the dumps before it wastes any more bandwidth.
There are serious issues to discuss, not trash like Booth's lies.

to all: is the James Bond movie, 'The World is Not Enough' correct in asserting there are three Russian oil pipelines going through the area?

remember: Enron/Cheney bankrupted California and America wage-slaves' pension funds to try to build a pipeline through there.

to all: at the opening Olympics ceremony Putin & Bush were sitting one seat apart, with Bush's wife inbetween, as I recall. They were talking to each other over her.

If you think for one moment the U.S. and Russian and China are not working together to sell arms and increase the tax burdens of everyone, you're mistaken.

How you can not blame the Fed and City of London and Bank of England and Bundesbank interlocking central bank directorates for all this is mind-boggling. Especially since Rockefellor (part of the interlocking directorate) & Warburgs and Rothchilds financed Communist Russia, Communist China, Nazi Germany and the communist/socialist U.S.

When are we going to realized that the 'money-issuing class' -- controls us wage slaves totally -- what we see, what we do, what we learn -- everything but our ability to love ...although they do try to destroy that as thoroughly as possible. DESTROY (destroy fractional banking and interest)THE FED/CITY OF LONDON/Rockefellers/Warbugs/Thiesens/Chase Manhattan, Bechtel, Halliburton, Deutsche Bank -- and 99% of the problems in the world will disappear.

as to the post by AllSeeing, this is my reply:
hmmm. very interesting. as are the other urls you've posted. if you find more supporting info, please post.

I've noticed on ATS that the people who complain the loudest often make as much noise as COINTELPRO agent provocateurs ...

the more urls that can be posted to support the post would be appreciated.

I'll also start looking into it in a 3-4 days. hopefully, by then, the news will be apparent...

let me take a quick look at Jane's to see what they say www.janes.com... :Georgia launches major assault on South Ossetia

Georgian military forces launched a major attack on the separatist region of South Ossetia on 8 August.

The attack appears to be an attempt by Georgia to fully restore its control over the entire separatist territory, rather than a continuation of the sporadic tit-for-tat violence seen in the region over recent years. Georgian forces have mobilised its reserves and launched the attack using tanks, heavy artillery, Grad multiple-barrel rocket launchers and Su-25 attack aircraft in support of its infantry.

Russia, South Ossetia's main supporter, has so far been slow to take concrete actions, although Prime Minister Vladimir Putin promised a response to what he described as Georgian aggression. Russian President Dmitry Medvedev also called a meeting of his Security Council to discuss possible responses. Tbilisi has already claimed that Russian Su-24 strike aircraft entered its territory and launched air strikes just south of the separatist region. Russia currently maintains 500 lightly armed peacekeeping troops in South Ossetia.

forecast: Should fighting continue, as it is likely to over coming days, Russia looks set to respond. Initially this is likely to take the form of air strikes, although the possibility remains that troops, such as airborne units stationed in Russia's North Caucasus region, could also be deployed. Such a development would mark a major escalation of the conflict and potentially lead to wider regional instability.

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Actually...

What Defcon level are we at right now? Does anyone know?