Our inevitable fate.

reply to post by silo13


Yea, and what produces this energy? When and how does this 'energy' integrate with the human body? This concept just doesn't make any sense, there is no reason or logic behind this as nothing indicates that self-awareness exists outside the brain.

reply to post by sirnex


Hi thanks for your comments,

Quote:

"there is no reason or logic behind this as nothing indicates that self-awareness exists outside the brain."

That is a bit like say in the year AD 100 there are no cars and never will be cars can't exist it is madness to believe a horseless carriage can exist ....


And again That is a bit like say in the year AD 100 how has heard of so much rubbish TV's are Not real and they can never be, how can you send pictures through the air to another place?

LOL so in a very friendly way, I must ask you to rethink what you have written.

No offence intended, as I enjoy debating...

Oh and by the way what do you think energy actually is and how did it come into existence?

Energy is only the result of a Program, produced by Concepts having very stringent rules.

I look forward to further discussion on these subjects.

Friendly regards,
The Matrix Traveller...

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Considering I haven't looked through all your posts and most likely won't, I don't understand what this "program" thing is your talking about. Sounds to me like you really loved the matrix trilogy and mixed that in with the bible.

I have never once seen any evidence given by people like you who claim there is some sort of 'afterlife' or spiritual side of the universe. Never once has there ever been any evidence given for a soul or some form of energy that could be a soul. No explanation has ever been given for how such a soul gets integrated into the human body to produce a sentient being.

While I don't have an answer for how matter and energy arose in our universe, neither does anyone else and nor will we ever have an answer. There are a ton of theories out there, but all of them are wrong, never once has one of them been proven in a reproducible verifiable scientific fashion and never will any of them be done.

I find all these ideas and such as cute and all, but highly illogical and obvious lies. I don't even subscribe to the big bang theory either, there are a ton of problems with that by itself. The argument of where did energy come from is idiotic, because then where did god come from? If god always existed, then there is no logical reason to conclude that matter and energy couldn't always also have existed.

While I would love to debate your ideas with you, you haven't actually given anything substantial to debate. I would appreciate if you could elaborate your thoughts in a more logical coherent and sensible manner, then we can have a real good debate on them.

The tv picture analogy is not well thought out imo. The "pictures" are transmitted at the speed of light and if the analogy were to fit with the concept, then this "soul energy transmitter thingy" would have to be somewhere within this solar system unless you can conclusively show that this soul energy can transmit faster than the speed of light or somehow operates differently outside the realm of physics.

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I have just returned from overseas for a rest after lecturing on these subject with some of the best Neurologists in the East, and other research units involved with DNA as well as other R&D technicians and the had no problems in understanding me at all in fact I have been invited back there next year to continue my work.

There are many other educated people in medical science in the East, that are well aware of these principals and accept them.

In the past I have not lectured to the general public, but now my colleagues have persuaded me to extend our work into the public arena...

I have now been involved in the manufacture of Optical based Mind Interfaces for the last 14 to 15 years.

No matter what you believe, you can Not change this Fact, and you are Powerless to change this Fact, as it is history now!

Most of the work has been involved, in the "Back Engineering" of Ancient Computer Systems.

This work has Not been known by the public, just as many other projects have also not been known by the general public...

It usually takes about 30 years for some technologies to be made public, I thought you would be aware of this!

You or any one else including myself do not control Creation or what reality should or should not be.

So we should, and this includes myself, to not be as bigots and blind, but rather search for what is, and not try and make reality to be something else that it isn't in blind ignorance....

I guess when it is your turn to die, you will then know the truth, of this matter no matter what the truth may be, and you will be powerless to change that truth......

But I shall remain, to answer questions to them that truly desire, to find the answers...

If I don't know something, I will be the first to confess this, as I am not ashamed of my ignorance, but shall continue to seek knowledge of the All and share that knowledge for I am "Nothing" and have always been "Nothing".

But I guess that Nothing is something after all or you would not make comments to me now would you?...

Friendly regards,
The Matrix Traveller

This is how I see it.It's just logic.
Nothing can't exist in any form because it has no form.
Has anyone stoped to ask what is nothing? We have nothing as a word.Nothing is a word refrence to "something" ?
When people say ..then comes nothing they are refering to an action as nothing is replacing everything , nothing being the object in cause taking over.Because nothing is exactly that "nothing" it can't exist in the plane of reality.It can't have any form, any meaning there for it does not exist, it's fiction. This is how our minds work trying to explain nothing as an object, an action when it existance it's just like a cartoon character.Even a cartoon character is more realistic, it has a meaning, a definition.

The logic and rules of the universe states that something must exist in order to be defined.As in math. 0 is not a number, every number out there is on a platform started from number 1.The universe came in existance from one element.There was something.As time is infinite there was always something in the past infinite. 0+0 will generate nothing.So the question is, is 0+0 realistic?. 1 is a form of existance. By taking a value out of reality, number 1 and by adding it to a fictional element that is 0 the result will be one.Because a real value needs another real value to multiply.


It's simple logic.
If anyone can prove to me that nothing comes after life then they will have to show me that nothing exists.No one can, nothing is just fiction and it is not real. Reality will have to show that things that are not real do exist because we are talking while we are alive.

How can nothing be possible if it doesen't even exist?

This is in general a question for people who sustain that smashing a computer will terminate it's life.

If there is no afterlife and it's nothing then define nothing.
For something to be real and to happen it has to be part of reality.
Is it true that we become "nothing" how can that be posible if there is no such thing. A number will always generate another value or a difrent form.From a logical point of view this just can't happen.

It's like droping water in a cup and expecting it to just not drop and fill the cup.



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reply to post by The Matrix Traveller


You answered nothing in either of my post's which suggests to me that you are nothing more than a liar and a charlatan.

How about answering some of the basic questions other than saying anyone who disagrees with what you are saying is ignorant of "reality".

reply to post by sirnex

Hi, Sirnex,

First you need to ask me something and then I will see if I can give you an answer.

If I don't have the answer I will tell you as I only know a very small amount....

But you are entitled to your "Theories" so keep going the way you are, as it is just another path in the program, that leads to the same end, as all of us including me.

But I do welcome your Questions, as I am Not into petty arguments...
Or Slinging abuse and insults in ignorance at others...

We are all part of the Same All....

Friendly regards,
The Matrix Traveller....

isn't there infinite posibilities in quantum phsics?
This is just one of them maybe? to be something after something.

Back to my old thought, how does someone know that there is nothing.
What is the probability to that for something to not be.
Looking on how science works on an subatomic level would indicate that things do not die off as this would be ilogical.

I can create things with my state of mind, al tho they are not real they have no place in the non existance realm as non existance does not really exist as a place. Some would say that imagination is part of the non existance?

I have a view of the human mind perception.

Is this how we view nothing?



To my opinion that is something. It's phisical in nature and it's black, it has a definition and I can see it, if anyone can see the black color then there is something . It could be white , red, or anyother color.it has a term and I can see it.If it were to be nothing how would I tell that it's black.

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Hi Phoenix,

Here are the answers to your questions...

Quote: (1)

"1. What do you think happens when we die?"

Because the so called flesh is but a program (DNA is a Chemical program produced from a Program fro The True Mind Through what I call The Matrix)

The body ceases to function, but because Consciousness it withdraws from the Program that produces your Universe, Planet Earth and your body and returns to the state or what has been viewing this program.

There are two ends to the real self.

When this happens, I mean when we withdraw the first thing you will see is White Light and then a Matrix will be seen over a white disc.

The Matrix is known as "The Man Child" "The Christ" is in "The Man Child"
Matrix.

When you withdraw All will be known and you will no longer experience as a human primate.

But the curious thing is because you are no longer experiencing this virtual reality program You have the desire to experience it again so another Program is selected and you enter into the program of either the earth or perhaps another depending on a number of factors.

If we are Ignorant of the True Mind and of the reality of our End of The True Mind we may in fact experience the grave even though our body is non functional.

It is The Love of Life that causes us to withdraw from the program to our True Origin.

Quote: (2)

"2. So you have completed the computer or not? Still confused on that."

Yes it has been completed for some time now and a mini version is being designed right now that will be available in about 18 months in the form of a Child's toy so humankind can acclimatise to the technology.

It will have a few Programs that will produce a number of experiences such as going on a flight through your own Universe.

It will also contain a program that will as the Outer True Mind to teach the person who has the Toy....


Quote: (3)

3. What exactly does this computer do? What would be the use of it? And is it coming soon?

This question is just like asking me what a Computer does. LOL.

This Optical Computer Interface is a bit like a telephone between the Inner Mind and The Outer Via The Soul. LOL..

It can do anything you like, within the parameters of the Program, that brings about this Interface with the Control of Life or Consciousness.

There are very strict rules within the Interface program that keeps a strict order on things.

There are also a large number of sub-routines, that educate the undesirable user and prevent abuse.

I hope this answers some of your questions and hope to hear more from you in the future.

As for those who ridicule me I guess they will just have to wait and see wont they?

There are many who are involved in this project, who are from many different areas of research in technology but the knowledge has Not been made available to the general public before...

Yes we are aware the world is full of superstition scepticism but Time tells all things....

For those who wish to see a copy of the Matrix Map and more than 30,000 other Matrix Geometric, formats and instruction sets etc etc can U2U me...
Even the Sceptics can contact me for these...
As we are All of The One All.

Friendly regards,
The Matrix Traveller






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To debate on a probability of something existing after is something but you comming and explaining it all in detail is something else.I think you have gone over the top.This should be a scientific topic.It should have arguments of why and why not.I can say I was walking down the street and then I could use my imagination to make the rest up.

reply to post by pepsi78


Hi pepsi78,

Bingo....

You understand!

What more can I say?

Except that are you sure what you experience is as real as you think it is?

It is just that the Program that produces the Holograph of Your Universe in your Soul is So Perfect.

It is very very Involved and can be very complex at times!

The opposite to Black as you know is White...

But Darkness is Gray Not Black...

All colour comes from the manipulation of Black and White.

If you make a disc from thick White cardboard and make one half, as Black as possible (The Blacker the better) and draw 3 curved lines, about 2 mm wide and about 2 mm apart, extending from the black about 20 degrees, near the circumference, and attach a spindle in the centre and spin it like a top.

As it slows down you will see a muddy coloured ring appear where the lines are.

If you spin it in one direction the colour will be a muddy Red and in the other direction will be a muddy Blue...

Try this and let me know what you see....

This little experiment has been known for a long time and it is nothing new....

Friendly regards,
The Matrix Traveller...

reply to post by pepsi78


Hi again,

I have just got back from overseas lecturing to many over a 9 to 10 month period within scientific circles many within the medical World.

But before this time I have not made my lectures available to the public...

But be assured this is the case and Not made up, but is a result of experiencing Medical Death in 1973 and I mean "Brain Dead", for more than 30 minutes.

This is why the Medical world were interested in me in the first place many years ago...

Then I started designing Interfaces with The True Mind by "Back Engineering" and building them so they became more interested and everything evolved from this...

Friendly regards,
The Matrix Traveller


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I will admit I am scepticle of you, which is by no means any disrespect, logicaly this is understandable. I simply cannot come to a 100% conclusion on wether your telling the truth or not, for the very fact that I do not personally know you.

But your theories do have some truth to them I believe, I just can't quite figure out if it's fully true.

I'm sure you can understand my view on this, I would really need to understand more of what your trying to explain for me to know the full truth, my ignorance to this subject of yours means I cannot come to a 100% conclusion.

But I will wait and read your posts and if your really telling the truth, I will surely buy your product Like you said, time will tell.

See ya around! Peace.

Edit: If you don't mind, a question, lol so many questions I'm sorry.

You say we can do things with this computer but there is a limit, for example would making yourself fly be impossible? What would happen if one wanted to find the perfect woman by using this machine would that also be against the limits? Basically what are the limits and can you describe an example of one thing that can be done in a simple way.

Hopefully this will help my understanding.


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Hi Phoenix,

Yes I can understand your disbelief and this is perfectly normal.

As I said before, "Time shows all things", so sit back and watch the introduction of this technology into your world...

I have Not Invented this and as I have said The Ancients knew of this technology.

Geometric components can be found in Government buildings, palaces, temples and churches all over the earth.

Most came from Byzantium...

This is all history and no one can eradicate this record of the Matrix.

Look at the design work in buildings and you will find this geometry as patterns in the floors ceilings windows etc...

So you can check this out yourself...

No Lies here only The Truth as Life being my True and Faithful Witness as it was The Life or Consciousness that Taught me and Showed me all things...

I can take No credit whatsoever for this...

I am only a witness to this.

Watch...

Friendly regards,
The Matrix Traveller

Hi Matrix.

I've had OBE's quite a few times, and I'm trying to experiment the reality of them.

By couincidence after reading this thread, I just found a series of videos about a Physicist who worked in the Monroe institude, talks about his experiences and experiments etc.

Then he starts explaining his theory about the universe how it works, how it explains everything etc, to my suprise there are many similarities to your theory.

He talks about the similarity of how consciousness works to how computers work etc, how the physical body is like a data input, how we are mutlidimensional beings that exist on many dimensions.

I really love these videos and the guy has great info.

I think you will love this.

Here's part 1, there are at least 13 parts.

I recommend watching it until it gets to the universe part.

Hope you like it.

www.youtube.com...

Good night.


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reply to post by pepsi78

Hi pepsi78,

Don't take this personally but look at it light heartedly and laugh...

Even though I lecture within the scientific community, it must be realised that Science so called, is really only a modern day academic Religion.

The Old religions of the world, including Philosophy, also were very very serious subject and was also treated as science, in their day also.

Humankind has a different interpretation today, on the Old Philosophy and Theology than in the days it manifested.

And the day shall come, when humanity reflects on the so called science, of today and will view it in the same light as religion, science being based on theory too.

But many within the Scientific community, also recognise this.

But this does Not make a mockery of Science, but just presents the science of human primates in its true context.

To realise this fact you need to look back at this time (AD 2,008), 500 years into the future.

Humankind is really very barbaric, as they can't even reach the nearest Galaxy next to the Milky Way Galaxy, and check it out.

You can't get much cruder, than Rockets spewing expanding gasses out the back in an attempt to cross Galaxy's, can you? LOL...

Friendly regards,
The Matrix Traveller...





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Here's a thought:

Just a bit of trivia...

Imagine for a moment, if we were to present an empty drinking glass to a child and ask....

“What is in the glass?”

The child will answer,

“Nothing!”

I know we can be smart and say there is air in the cup, but if you want to know the truth, you will understand understand the point I am making!

But as you can see, we can identify "Nothing", by the use of our senses, such as sight and touch!

For us to be able to do this, then Nothing must in fact be something, or we would Not recognise it, or be able to Identify The Nothing!

I am referring to The "Nothing" as being a component in abstract form.

Interesting don’t you think?

But there is more than this to Nothing!

Now let us ask the Child...

“What Shape is this Nothing in The Glass,and if the Glass is round, you can guarantee the child will say...

"It is Round!"

Funny that! Did you know that Nothing can have shape?

Now ask the Child....

"how deep is the Nothing?"

The child will indicate its depth, by pointing to the bottom of the
Glass.

Isn't there a saying somewhere....

"Out of the Mouths of Babes"?

Interesting! Did you know that Nothing can have Dimension?

But when we are sensible about this, we all know the shape of the Glass or container, gives the shape to the Nothing in it!

So I guess that "Nothing" is Something or we would Not have such a word, now would we.

Friendly regards,
The Matrix Traveller

reply to post by sirnex

Yea, and what produces this energy? When and how does this 'energy' integrate with the human body? This concept just doesn't make any sense, there is no reason or logic behind this as nothing indicates that self-awareness exists outside the brain.

Thank you for your response.

Ok, can you explain how kinetic energy works?
How regular old every day electricity works?
I hope so, because I cannot.
Heavens I’m glad there’re people around who can explain the workings of a television because I’m still one of those people that feels I need to look behind the box to see who’s hiding back there.
Allow me to continue to use that analogy.
Sirnex. If someone told you about a television set yet you’d a never seen one, you probably wouldn’t believe them. You might have said (notice I say *might*) “Oh come now! There’s no reason or logic behind such a thing, that concept just doesn't make any sense.”
You would have had to SEE it. (Doubting Thomas Syndrome)
You might also have reacted the same way to Newton telling you about gravity over a beer at the pub.
Ok, fine.
That’s our difference.
I don’t have to SEE something my soul knows is true.
That's my nature, that’s my character, that’s my *conscience* explanation of myself.
I know what I’m saying is as true as I know I’m alive.
Do I ask you to believe it also?
No.
I just give my opinion, and, in my opinion it’s an extremely important concept therefore giving it the *reason* you try to deny it, and to me, as poorly as I may put it, it makes perfect sense.
I do believe, in the most basic way humanly and *cosmically* possible, we all are connected.
How?
Energy.
Conscience energy - Life.
Past energy, the now energy - it’s all connected just as all life is.
The same type of energy that sparked life - (we don't know what that energy is do we?) - is the same energy that gives us the *conscience* (soul?) and it never dies.
I want to say it’s almost like the energy that wakes up a seed and tells it to being to grow, but, it’s so much more than that, and so much simpler also, and plus that sounds too hokey.
So, for me it’s just as simple as an energy called Life.
I know it’s there, I know it’s a different type of energy than anyone can explain.
Obviously it’s a different energy than anyone can produce in a lab no matter what CERN thinks, lol.
But that energy is the very *realist* thing we know, and it never dies.
It’s what gives us, and fuels, and maintains our Conscience.
I’ll bet you a beer it is.

reply to post by The Matrix Traveller


One issue, and you had already said it, there isn't "nothing" in the glass. What a piss poor analogy and example. You can't describe absolute nothing because there is literally nothing there to describe. You can't even create absolute nothingness, even the vacuum of space isn't "nothing".


@silo13

the television analogy is faulty logic imo as it implies that the brain MUST be a receiver of consciousness and not the producer all the while there is not indication that this is true. Yet, everything we have managed to learn about the brain indicates that it's various systems and functions is what gives rise to consciousness. There is also the misconception involved in equating consciousness as one "thing" when it is a variety of different functions operating together. Memory, empathy, self-awareness are all separate functions from different areas of the brain driven by electro-chemical processes, even the emotion of "love" is purely chemical in nature.

Originally posted by b6x87
Firstly, I apoligize if this is the wrong forum, thought it might go in here so here goes!!

I'm going to ask you good people about the inevitable fate that we all carry, that being death.

What do you, as a person, believe happens when you die? Are you a Christian & hope you get into Heaven? Do you believe that that can last forever? Or maybe you're an Agnostic? What do you think happens when you die?

Does everyone here believe in a kind of afterlife? Whether that be roaming the world again as a ghost, or coming back as a different species?

I myself don't believe there can't be nothing after death. Just holding on to the hope that it's something good!

So anyway, I'm very interested to find out other peoples views are on this. Come one & all from every different religion/belief/background there is!

From my current perceptions, I see life as a 'journey' of sorts (cliché!), whatever happens, is meant to happen, it was something I had to experience, for a greater understanding of where I currently am and what I believe. We are here to experience ourselves and our life and learn from this what we can.

When we die(or I?), we return to the 'source' (vague but adequate, lol), here, we will remember our past lives and the previous experiences therein and add it to our, now past, life and collective perception of 'the all' (another vague cracker ). This allows for a greater understanding of the 'the all' as a whole, we then choose our next life from what we have left to experience, attempting to experience all forms of individuality.

Makes sense to me anyway

EMM

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