Hello. I am God. How are you?

if we are all parts of a whole - and we call the whole God - then I can't claim to actually be God - without the rest of you

Wise words indeed.

Originally posted by Johnmike
Who's to say that we're all one?

Course this goes against your thought experiment, but that's the point.

Who's to say we're not?

reply to post by SpeakerofTruth
I am.

See my post above.

Explain, if you can, how such things jibe with 'we're all one'.

Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
reply to post by dunwichwitch

 

my beliefs kind of move around a lot - and in a way I end up believing everything and nothing at the same time

but the one thing I've believed consistently throughout my life is that we are all individual parts of a whole

another thing I've always believed is - there is a point to it all

I feel - when I really ponder it - that the point is to recognize the point - and our true identity

I've always had a sense that enlightenment is that realization - that you - the separate you - doesn't actually exist - and the moment you see that - your identity is revealed

"you" disappear - except that you don't - you just remember who you really are

sounds good on paper (maybe) and I can get my head around the idea - but - the actual moment escapes me

if we are all parts of a whole - and we call the whole God - then I can't claim to actually be God - without the rest of you

This that you saw if you met me, and the way I would act to you in person... and even here with just words.... from my perspective, THIS is just a part... but what's driving this, especially when you step back from "yourself" and just observe, I would reckon it is all the same consciousness. It is the observer. I don't really practice this method I'm about to talk about, I've experimented, but if you've heard of Falun Dafa.... they have an excersize called "Buddah Showing 1000 arms". I tend to believe that Buddah showing 1000 arms translates more into Buddah showing infinite arms. Much like the symbolism for the top chakra, the thousand petaled lotus...same kind of translation there. Each "lotus" or "buddah" is capable of infinite creation, and therefore contains the whole within its being.

I'm not saying anything like "I am your only God", but what I am saying is that I am God, and so are you, whether you know or not. God chooses to forget and deny himself sometimes, and I think that is the symbolism used in the Bible, when describing the Devil, Lucifer, demonic entities, fallen angels... not that there's anything "wrong" with that.

I would think, at some "early" point in the layers of time, space, and creation, God experiencing himself in infinite variety became weary of knowing and being everything.... so he decided to fragment his consciousness into individual awareness and forget that he was who he was. Like a dream, if you always knew you were in a dream and could create infinite realities within it, you would not have any mystery, wonder, awe, amusement, fear hate, jealousy, yada yada emotions. It would be like an emotionless meaningless thing that you are staring at for no reason. It's cool every once in a while to become lucid, but if it were expected always, it wouldn't be as cool. It would get monotonous, and you'd eventually wanna leave and go smoke a cigarette and eat a sandwich afterwards. Your feelings would definitely change if everything was in your face all the time.

So when I say "I am God", I am not saying that the I who is saying this is God. God wouldn't have to say a damn thing. But the One who is observing myself thinking, saying, and doing IS God.

Is that was religious people mean without realizing it when they say "God is WATCHING you"?

I'm sorry. I am not very witty, nor do I think very complexly. What I'm trying to say can't be said, so it might come off as a bit "rant"-ish, or a bit psychotic...

EDIT:

but to try answering some people's questions to the best of my ability... I think the best answers ARE the questions themselves... meaning that you were meant to answer your own questions... not some external "God" or "Authority". You assume God knows everything all the time, and wants nothing more than to end his creation's suffering. What kind of Godly Love would that be if he just gave you a free ride to eternal paradise without obstacle? I remember I'd get so bored with videogames because I'd always rush to find the cheat codes right away, and I'd beat the game with no effort. Maybe that's why I suck at videogames now.
Wouldn't it be even more sweeter, even more adventurous, even more worth your time and effort, if you alone answered yourself? Even if you were wrong, and even if you experienced suffering, blame God? Why? Because you refuse to learn from mistakes? Don't blame God for that.



[edit on 7-8-2008 by dunwichwitch]

[edit on 7-8-2008 by dunwichwitch]

Originally posted by Astyanax
reply to post by SpeakerofTruth

 

I am.

See my post above.

Explain, if you can, how such things jibe with 'we're all one'.

well - maybe we're still a work in progress

maybe now we're all a kinda slow, stupid - uneducated god

maybe we could stand to lose a few pounds

maybe we don't wash our hands as often as we should

maybe we should stop kicking the neighbors dog when no one's looking

maybe we just need to learn to be a little nicer to ourselves - and others - oh, wait - ourselves

one day - we may be the god we wish to see - a smart, shiny, slimmer, trimmer, kinder, self-actualized god

got my fingers crossed

reply to post by seagrass


wish that would happen more often ;-)

most of the time it's just babbling and animal noises

reply to post by dunwichwitch


I think we're saying mostly the same thing -

the thing I like best in what you just said - that's always really touched something in me - is the whole concept of the observer

I could think about that forever

maybe I'll have to

I'm sorry. I am not very witty, nor do I think very complexly. What I'm trying to say can't be said, so it might come off as a bit "rant"-ish, or a bit psychotic...

I think you said a lot and said it well. Sometimes I too believe the answer is in the question. What makes you ask a question?

Originally posted by seagrass

I'm sorry. I am not very witty, nor do I think very complexly. What I'm trying to say can't be said, so it might come off as a bit "rant"-ish, or a bit psychotic...

I think you said a lot and said it well. Sometimes I too believe the answer is in the question. What makes you ask a question?

I like that - what's makes you ask the question? - the question is sometimes more interesting than the response - and does kind of say it all

reply to post by dunwichwitch


I'd like to add to what Seagrass said - because I didn't pay attention to it before

you actually think in a very complex manner - and are not afraid to go deep

and wittiness is in the eye of the beholder (or not - as it so often turns out here)

you don't need to apologize for your ideas - or your presentation - I've read other things you've posted

and you want to talk about ranting? check out some of my other posts

if they don't sound like rants - you should have heard them in my head

but - yours wasn't a rant - it's a good thread

Well hey thanks, Spiramabillis (sp?)!

I tried saying some of this stuff in a certain other "conspiracy" forum, only to be quickly labeled nuts and recommended medication and seen as attacking and forcing my opinions down throats. It's amazing what some atheists will do to try and make anyone with hope and compassion feel guilty about knowing, as opposed to believing. I don't claim to know everything, and I think that's the problem with trying to relate experiences to people. Everyone is so overloaded with opinions presented as facts, and overwhelmed emotions that feel just as factual, that when people say "I've got an experience and a philosophy to share with you", they automatically assume the worst, and out of fear they attack and try to make it seem as if they are completely sure in the face of their ego.

It's really odd how mainstream human thinking tends to believe that they know things for cetain based on second, third, fourth, etc,-hand experiences, yet people who actually know and have experienced things firsthand would most likely be much more inclined to think and admit that the have no idea and possibly that they are insane.

So... even if I say "I am God", I can still admit that I have no frickin' idea why or what that means. I have no idea what the greater purpose of infinity is. I have no idea where eternity came from, where eternity is going, whether God is moving, whether God has a final destination, whether God has any other Gods to accompany him in parallel eternities.... or whether it all just repeats over and over again ad infinitum. To assume that God is All Knowing would be to assume that God has no purpose... so why would he have created existence if he wasn't trying to figure something out?

When I had this experience one day out of the blue that got me to thinking and understanding things in this way, I remember going "Oh yeah... I forgot", and then quickly wondering what the Hell the purpose was. It almost seemed as if there was no purpose. Then aqgain, purpose is one our most cherished human feelings, yet we have no idea what purpose even is. We have no idea whether God is everything. Some people have suggested that God is an artificially intelligent supercomputer, created by beings from another Omni-verse..... but then, you can use the same logic towards that Omni-Verse as to this one.... where is its Creator and what was its creator's purpose? It could be just the next level of repetition of The expression of the One consciousness...

We will never know, and if we ever did know, I am pretty confident we'd question the answer because we didn't like the truth, and the whole process would repeat itself again... only most likely, more layers would be added so as to maintain the mystery for as "long" as possible.

Does God like being All Knowing and whole alone? I don't think he does. I think God seeks what we all seek, and that's to create a group of people that he can share his qualities with.

Originally posted by dunwichwitch
Well hey thanks, Spiramabillis (sp?)!

Does God like being All Knowing and whole alone? I don't think he does. I think God seeks what we all seek, and that's to create a group of people that he can share his qualities with.

wow...

that should be the next question

and - you don't need for me to say this, but it's never stopped me before

don't worry about what the others are thinking

it always surprises me how close minded open minded people can be

reply to post by Spiramirabilis


Spiramirabilis, great post!

I also feel as if I am a part of the whole. Until recently, I always felt separate and I was perhaps the most miserable person on earth. The feeling of unity with all that is, has changed my life.

On another note, I believe that since we are all one, then when we die, we all go to the same place.....no matter what we have done in our lives. Earlier in my life, when I believed there was a hell, I wondered how God could draw a line and decide who went to heaven and who went to hell....made no sense to me. Would he say "You almost made it, but you screwed up one too many times so down you go." Give me a break.

To me it's perfectly logical to assume that:

A. The universe is conscious. (it would have to be to start the process)
B. God experiences through us. (why sit back and let your creations have all the fun?)
C. The whole is contained in every part because the process started via cloning/splitting.
D. We purposely limit ourselves in order to spur creative new ways of exceeding our limitations. (just think, we may never have invented cars, airplanes, or birds if we always flew around effortlessly)
E: God is all-knowing, but in the beginning all he knew was himself. He had to split, mix, and merge in order to know more. He increases his "all-knowing-ness" through us and other forms of mix/match, just like coming up with new numbers or letters.

Just as the creator would want to be sovereign and free, I assume he would want the same for his creations, us being a part of him, and him experiencing through us. That's why on worlds such as ours where most have forgotten what they are, we find much control and manipulation taking place.

As much as I hate being limited and stuck in this often violent world, I can accept that it's a part of the creative process. We do have a lot of good entertainment based on the knowledge of good and evil, so it's not all that bad I guess. I just hope that in the near future we can learn to keep all the bad stuff to the movies and games. Now that we can experience the darker aspects experience in the form of media, there's no point in ruining our world in order to experience it.

reply to post by dunwichwitch


dunwichwitch, Great thread. As usual, you are making me think. I am looking forward to seeing other's opinions.

reply to post by Kruel


I see all of that - similar thoughts

one thing I've wondered is - can god die?

if we can die - and we are part of a whole - can the whole die?

you mentioned the cloning - is why I ask

perhaps god is everlasting - but - not really

maybe god is an evolution - god is evolution

I don't mean to go too far away from the original question - but as far the parts of a whole - are we god? - subject goes - it may be an infinite process - but in steps

What if we are the result of a question that "God" asked? Can its creation find itself when it doesn't KNOW if it exists?

Originally posted by seagrass
a circle has no beginning and no end. Where does the circle start?

In order to have a beginning, there must be it's opposite... which requires time in between. Does time exist?

time is what stops everything from happening all at once

How does one cell split into two?

very carefully....

If you break a rock in two, is it now two different rocks?

yes

weee this is fun

but in all seriousness, to get the answer you require i guess you first have to prove you exist upon proving your existance you should then understand your purpose (and i mean divine purpose, not so much devine as in god but more the ultimate uncorrupted purpose) once your purpose is established then is it possible to answer those questions that seemingly appear unanswerable

How do you measure the duration of NOW. How long is it? Now.... now. now. now... The question I asked is already in the past.

what if there is only one purpose. To create with our soul. Anything we want. Anything we desire? What if we made a plan and follow it to the tee? What if we only have certain stops to make along the way, but everything else is gravy?

[edit on 8-8-2008 by seagrass]

I had this really loooong post written up and then....I saved it to notepad. So here it is.


I don't have much to offer but some random thoughts. Good thread though. Existence is my favorite subject. Here are my random thoughts.

There is no separation just stepped down vibration.

The "Creator" is the omnipresent super conscious fabric of everything. It is contained within all things we experience and all things we experience are born of this conscious fabric, or as I call it 'The Infinite Mind'.

No one created the Creator. The infinite nothing contained everything you see here, in potential. If this apparent "nothing" didn't already have everything in potential then true nothing would exist. This infinite potential, over eons of no-time, finally vibrated. It awoke. It brought itself into being. From this small disturbance comes all we experience.

That's the first paradox. Something came from apparent nothing. But with 'all of this' that we see sitting in potential it was bound to happen. One could say that there was a disturbance in the force due to the overwhelming potential contained in the infinite nothingness field.

We are merely Gods in training. You wouldn't give your car keys to your 5 year old. Nor would young souls be given the keys to existence until they learned how to properly interact with their fellow inheritors of infinity. The physical realms are not mandatory but they are desired due to the quick learning that can be done here vs floating around as a thought form observing everything.

We are of and not separated from the omnipresent fabric. It's only the appearance of separation because we can't see this highest vibration with human eyes.

Why do humans do all the things they do if they are God? Because you can't get the full gamut of experience from a bunch of monks sitting in a temple or a bunch of sadomasochistic self-absorbed ego-lords feeding off each other's energy. And it's not really the different extremes that give the most experience. It's the interaction between them. At least at the physical level. It's different in different vibratory realms.

But anyway, we are obviously not omnipresent consciousnesses although we were at one point and will be again at another. We each were contained without the vibration creation field so we each have always existed in some way. Even when there was nothing but nothingness, we were each a potentiality. Ever wonder why it's difficult to imagine not existing? Because you never have not existed. You just weren't always conscious that you did. And when you become conscious then you manifested that potential existence.

Existence is vibration. Non-Existence is the lack of vibration with the potential for infinite variations of vibrations. We are all vibrations within the one intricately complex vibration formation called creation. We are our own salvation. We are the explanation. We are the revelation.

The earlier analogy about the car keys is not exactly accurate. We each have infinite power right now, at this very moment. We just don't have the conscious knowledge yet to use it. The stepping down of vibration allows for layers, such as this physical one, to exist without full conscious knowledge of the Source. This along with allowance for all choices gives the maximum (known) potential for experience.

The experience leads to expansion, new vibration combinations, and a denser field of consciousness. And this is what any truly awake awareness wants. Awareness or consciousness seeks to expand itself. To learn, grow, and discover. We just happen to be doing in right now in an already created movie.

Ok, I'm rambling again. I'll just go back to my corner of infinity.