The Assassination of Tupac Shakur & the Hip-Hop Police

Originally posted by buds84


In a way I think there have been a few versions of Jesus over time and I think he was one of them.

This is the best quote I ever, EVER, seen on ATS.

Biggie: shot by tupacs peoples
Tupac: Shot by Biggies peoples

This shz ain't a conspiracy it's thug life.

"Thats why I f'ed your b* you fat mofo"

- Tupac

I just got done typing a whole bunch in another thread so I'll make this short..

But this 'conspiracy' goes a lot deeper than most think..

The hip hop community at large; some very key figures prominent in the industry are well aware of what happened, Tupac's death was the deciding factor for a lot of 'rappers' (businessmen) to jump ship and join certain groups / societies which we'll leave unnamed.

The 1990's was a time when a lot of people were recycling over the conspiracies/secret societies/rumors and things brought up during the 1960's because things were becoming more apparent.

I don't think a lot of them believed Tupac when he talked about the illuminati and stuff like that because it's only until after his death that some of the more mainstream people started talking about it and or flashing certain hand signs or incorporating certain things in their persona (like the one pant leg up thing) and many other various hand signs, symbols, and clothing not to mention lyrics.

The hiphop community has been taken over and is now under the control / influence of certain black men who are under the control / influence of certain societies and groups which are "secret"

Most of those so-called gangsters turned soft afterward and some of them even went on to play cops in popular tv shows...

Something scared them crapless...

It was one of the best children this century has seen, being murdered in cold blood for his beliefs that scared them.

[edit on 11/28/2008 by PuRe EnErGy]

Originally posted by PuRe EnErGy

The hip hop community at large; some very key figures prominent in the industry are well aware of what happened, Tupac's death was the deciding factor for a lot of 'rappers' (businessmen) to jump ship and join certain groups / societies which we'll leave unnamed.

You mean the bloods and the crips?

Originally posted by blowfishdl

Originally posted by PuRe EnErGy

The hip hop community at large; some very key figures prominent in the industry are well aware of what happened, Tupac's death was the deciding factor for a lot of 'rappers' (businessmen) to jump ship and join certain groups / societies which we'll leave unnamed.

You mean the bloods and the crips?

No, not at all..

that's why I specified businessmen, people with money, influence and power and who are also in the limelight.

*Snip*

So you want to battle me. a rap contest? uhhhh. OK. I stopped doing limericks when I was in the 5th grade. kinda grew up n stuff. but I'm sure my massive vocabulary would more than win out. It's more of a fact that nobody with an opinion that matters gives a crap about tupac in los angeles sorry.

what makes you think I'm a rich boy from the suburbs from your avatar you look like some poser from agoura or calabases. You are right though although I didn't start that way I am relatively wealthy now. but that's because I have a job with considerable responsibility and actually do something of value in the record industry and know what i'm talking about when I say that there is no conspiracy against biggie and tupac.

seriously bro. walk down any street in LA right now and go how important in your life is tupac shakur and 99.9999 percent of the people will go "Tupac?!? who cares?!? wasn't he that dead rapper n stuff?"

as for tupac being one of the most influential people in the record industry.

hold on a second me and a bunch of other people who actually work in the record industry need to catch our breaths were laughing so hard.

wheeeew!!!! OK. now that I've burned a bunch of calories laughing at that line let me get back to the thread.

ugggghhhh... ... yeah... ...no. no no nooooooo. so wrong. do you even know who the actual power player are in the record industry? seriously I doubt it. I could go on for about two pages naming people who are actually important and have real power in the record industry and guess what none of them are artists. you really haven't a clue thinking that tupac dictated his career or had some sort of power or influence in realistic tangible terms.

And for the powerful rappers who are secretly being controlled by mystery men of omnipotent power. yeah it's called their A&R guys personal managers and business managers. they are the ones running those people their lives, their finances, and their companies. and if you think diddy and jay-z are rich than you should see how their handlers are livin'

THere is no conspiracy. the community wasn't scared off. they just thought to themselves. hmmm. maybe fronting and acting like a gangster is sooooo passe now and the money is elsewhere. you know trends in their demographics. people in the record industry follow the money. you want to know why those rappers suddenly stopped their gangsta act. no money in it anymore. it's not rocket science it's a business. sheesh.



[edit on 28-11-2008 by BASSPLYR]

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[edit on 11/28/2008 by semperfortis]

Originally posted by HighwayDrifter
reply to post by BASSPLYR

 

Well just so you know any credibility to your knowledge of the 'east coast vs. west coast' rivalry was shot down IMMEDIATELY by your 'TupaK' and 'NaZ' references. I don't understand how your profile says you're from L.A. and can't get the legends name correct.

Nas. full name is nasir jones. nas, is what he is called. tupak, not tupac? Tupac Amaru Shakur. it is Tupac, and it is nas. or naz if you like. both are fine.

firstly you seem quite ridiculous to throw away good data just because you (incorrectly) think that the OP got the names spelt wrong!

I agree with you OP, i do think that it would not be too far to presume either that he was helped by the fbi to be assasinated, or they knew and did nothing. I would lean to the former, he had a massive influence, as did biggy, well hell, you may say lennon has more influence, but your talking about the demograph of middle classed apathetic white people as a generalisation, not the same sort of people who listen to rap and actually have the balls to do some something about it.

I would also say that as a generalisation, the upper and middle classes would tend not to listen to gangsta rap that is oriented towards the street mindset. and so powerful rap icons would be far more powerful, especially with militant connections, than lennon supporters protesting peacefully skanked out their mind on lucy and mary.

interesting post thanks.

Zypher, I really hope that's not a picture of you in your avatar cause if that's true than you look like a major retard. who dressed you?

wow, that major rolf lolmao when i went back and actually saw zyphers avatar, your a microphone terrorist? i bet you are mate.

battle raps for haters. you look absolutely completely and utterly ridiculous. but in a cool way.

you obviously dont take yourself seroiusly which i really respect. keep up the rapping man if the love for music is in your heart and its not the money and image (obviously not) that interests you, youl go far.



back on topic, i agree with that poster that said no one cares about tupac. its old news, and to be honest, there are more pressing issues, like did i feed my cats?

BASSPLYR

I can see where you're coming from but man you're really coming off like a major dickhead, chill out....

Why did you even talk about battling or writing lyrics? .. don't sound so full of yourself man.. sure Zypher may be odd looking, but we can't all be as anonymous as you, at least he had the guts to put his actual pic up.
Pimps dress funny too lol, .. as for the music.. I write too, .. put em up.

as for Tupac, if you think for a second he wasn't influential you are sadly mistaken.

It's interesting how this evokes so much emotions... this many years later still.. he must have been influential to *some* degree.. I don't hear too many people talking about Elvis and getting so worked up.

[edit on 11/28/2008 by PuRe EnErGy]

no. he won't go far. He'll just be broken and poor by his mid 30's desperately looking for a way to get his life back on track. Not a good place to be. seen it before in others and it's always sad. I see the record industry from the inside looking out. I see how things are marketed and hyped. I know what rappers have delt nothing and are bluffing hard.

You honestly think people like mac10 and other gangsta rappers are hardcore. if thats so than why does he ride around westlake village (super duper white bread land) drive a used 355 spider that says whobang on the license plate. and got his entire crew 6 guys asses kicked in the ralphs parking lot one night after they tried and failed to jump one single white guy. seriously a hard core rapper and his crew 6 on one against a white guy whos into water polo and drives a del sol and the white guy won. yeah theres no hype and image in the gangsta rap world. no none at all. let me guess you actually think thats the rappers g4 and mansion in the background of his video. I bet you think the gold chains are his too. guess again.

No more Off Topic Comments

No more Insults

Enough

Please post like adults and to the topic, not other members

Semper

I'm not coming off as a dick. I just think this hypothesis that "the man" set up tupac and biggie is absolute baloney.

I didn't start the gangsta freestlye rap off contest. that was zyphers agenda. I just think it's pathetic to challenge people over the internet in rapping contests. Funny thing is. I've actually hung out with some of these rappers and they would likely agree with me.

I could put my picture up on the internet but I respect my day job enough not to mess it up by doing that. See a year or so ago I posted here on ATS in a thread just talking about the basics of how the record industry works. I started naming names of big wigs etc... in the post. explaining who they are and what their responsibilities are in the industry. basically why they were important. now whenever a client or anybody else in the industry googles their name looking for info on them they frequently get the ATS thread as number 2 or 3 on the list of links related to those people. some of these people I work with and one day I had to explain to one of them what ATS was. cause people were googling them and seeing a conspiracy website talking about them. so now I'm a little skeptical about the intelligence it takes to post ones picture up on the internet or give too many specifics about people in the industry. or my personal life. it's just being curtious i guess. let the google search engine direct people to their company websites and not some ATS page.

*Snip*

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sorry if I come off like a jerk.

[edit on 11/28/2008 by semperfortis]

Originally posted by BASSPLYR
I'm not coming off as a dick. I just think this hypothesis that "the man" set up tupac and biggie is absolute baloney.

I'm just not so sure about that, .. when you really look at how the American government works and how the CIA run around this globe murdering people, it seems very plausible that it could have gone down like that.. the real thing is we're all talking a bunch of smack we'll never know until the actual documents detailing what the intelligence community actually know about it come out.

btw I agree it wasn't nice of him to call you an idiot and that is uncalled for, but so is retaliating, glad to see your response.

[edit on 11/28/2008 by PuRe EnErGy]

Semper,

I didn't see your post in time as I was typing my last response. I agree to knock off the name calling and off topic banter.

feel free to edit any of my previous posts as you see fit.

but having the feds investigate tupac probably had nothing to do with some conspiracy to assassinate him. they could have been looking into tax evasion or some other much more likely mundane thing. heck my next door neighbors are being investigated by the feds and they seem like really nice people to me. so the feds investigating somebody could really mean very little in regards to some assassination conspiracy.


[edit on 28-11-2008 by BASSPLYR]

Originally posted by Mikeraphone
I know there is another Tupac thread in here but I wanted to get away from the "he faked his death" stuff because, well, he didn't.

The conspiracy I would like to explore with you guys is the governments involvement in his murder.

At that point in Tupac's career he was being trailed by the FBI ever day, and documents prove they were following him in Las Vegas, so why didnt they see the shooter?

Also, mysteriously, Tupac's security were given orders from the Las Vegas PD disallowing them to carry fire arms or any sort of weapons, even though they were licensed. Why?

Couple this with the fact that his mother was a Black Panther, not not just any Black Panther, but part of the infamous New York 21.

Now, Im sure you guys have heard of the COINTELPRO and what they did to the Panthers, but what isnt publicized openly is that the COINTELPRO still exists today, but instead of targeting African American activists they target the Hip-Hop community and are what is now referred to as the 'Hip-Hop Police.'

So we have now, 1996, before information was as free as it is now, perhaps the most famous man in America, publicly criticizing the US government. What made him different from the likes of today's Kanye West's and Nas' is he had the Black Panther connection, and had their support. His step father was Mutulu Shakur. He could have theoretically led a very pissed off army in a time when the anger from the LA riots was still fresh in people's minds.

So Shakur makes plans to leave the music industry and hints on an interest in entering politics in some way shape or form. He has the support of the youth, he has the money, the image, and the distaste for the powers that be. And dangerously, he has the support of the Black Panthers and that mentality installed in his up bringing.

Then you have the FBI monitoring him up until the point he was shot. No charges are ever pressed. The murder is unsolved. The one suspect ends up dead, while all along professing his innocence. In fact the suspect was involved in a scuffle with Shakur earlier.

How dumb would you have to be to have a fight with one of America's most famous me, in a Las Vegas casino, and THEN shoot him in a drive by? I mean, all fingers would naturally point to you. Is anyone actually that stupid?

And regardless, even if he was responsible, where was the FBI? Why didnt they chase the shooters? Why was the car never found, nor the weapons?

The whole thing stinks. In my opinion either the FBI knew it was going to happen and ignored it welcoming his death, or they helped orchestrate it which seems to case considering the security staff had their weapons taken away for the first time ever.

What do you guys think?

-R

Along with the black panthers, he had connections to the nation of islam as well.

He had a huge influence on people, for all those saying that he doesn't. People could care less about him now because they are being controlled by mindless crap now. He had plans that could have changed a lot of bad neighborhoods for the better.

You should dig up nogrape's theories. They were really good reads.

Biggie Paid Gang to Kill Tupac

I would assume the same happened to Biggie. After all there was never any question that these murders were unrelated.

Lyrics attached for reference.

The Notorious B.I.G. -
The doctor said I need about three weeks of recovery
But the nurses is lovin me
Sayin the best part of the day is my half
Feedin me breakfast, and givin me a sponge bath
Niggaz say I died dead in the streets
Nigga Im gettin high, gettin head on the beach
Chillin, sittin on about half a million
With all my niggaz, all my guns, all my women
Next two years, I should see about a billion
All for the love of drug dealin
Got no love for the other side, *censored* them tricks (# them)
Any repercussion, junior m.a.f.i.a. spit clips (thats right)
All the time, big poppa kick the war rhymes
Raw flows, and thats how it goes

Tupac Shakur -
First off, *censored* your bitch and the click you claim
WEESSSSSSIIIIIDE when we ride come equipped with game
You claim to be a player but I *censored* your wife
We bust on Bad Boy niggaz *censored* for life
Plus Puffy tryin ta see me weak hearts I rip
Biggie Smallz and Junior M.A.F.I.A. some mark @$$ bitches
We keep on comin' while we runnin for ya jewels
steady gunnin, keep on bustin at the fools, you know the rules
Little Ceaser, go ask ya homie how I leave ya
cut your young @$$ up, leave you in pieces, now be deceased
Lil Kim, don't *censored* around with real G's
Quick to snatch yo' ugly @$$ off tha street, so *censored* peace
I let them niggas know it's on for life
So let the West side ride tonight (haha)
Bad Boy murdered on wax, and killed
*censored* wit' me and get ya caps peeled, you know, see...

Grab ya glocks, when you see Tupac
Call the cops, when you see Tupac, uhh
Who shot me, but ya punks didn't finish
Now ya bout to feel the wrath of a menace
nigga, I hit em' up...

The Tupac song is a lot more threatening.. you should take the time to listen to the whole unscensored video on YouTube *Snip*

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[edit on 11/28/08 by blowfishdl]

[edit on 11/29/2008 by semperfortis]

Tupac was killed by the Illuminati. He started talking too much, and noticing too much.
Same with Michael Jackson, the Illuminati used them.

"Some say they expect Illuminati take my body to sleep
Ni**as at the party with they shotties
Just as rowdy as me
Before I flee computer chips
I gotta deal wit brothas flippin
I don't see no devils bleedin'
Only black blood drippin
We can change
Whatcha now say?
I'm watchin ni**as work their lives out without pay (huh)
Whatever it takes to switch places wit the bustas on top
I'm bustin' shots make the world stop
They don't give a # about us"

-2Pac - They Dont Give A # About Us

I think you are on to something. I think 2Pac could have had led one hell of an angry protest. He could see the truth through the lies of reality around him, especially in the music business. He could have changed the awaken millions and started a revolution focused helping the black community through his music.

I think the elite were not ready to deal with such a powerful hip-hop artist politically. Pac had captured the entire nation as an audience, they saw generations of young kids believing in his every thought, which corrupted them off the planned path. Thus, they had to take Pac out before he became an even more important political figure in the black movement. They couldn’t have someone more popular and more listened to than the government spitting about the truth.

The fact that his car was completely lit up from machine gun sprays after a huge boxing match in the middle of the Vegas strip and there were no witnesses or suspects reeks of a cover-up and conspiracy. Generally, most can be traced back to the government, and if you throw in the fact that the FBI had been tailing him that night and didn't see anything only adds fuel to the fire.