The Assassination of Tupac Shakur & the Hip-Hop Police

I know there is another Tupac thread in here but I wanted to get away from the "he faked his death" stuff because, well, he didn't.

The conspiracy I would like to explore with you guys is the governments involvement in his murder.

At that point in Tupac's career he was being trailed by the FBI ever day, and documents prove they were following him in Las Vegas, so why didnt they see the shooter?

Also, mysteriously, Tupac's security were given orders from the Las Vegas PD disallowing them to carry fire arms or any sort of weapons, even though they were licensed. Why?

Couple this with the fact that his mother was a Black Panther, not not just any Black Panther, but part of the infamous New York 21.

Now, Im sure you guys have heard of the COINTELPRO and what they did to the Panthers, but what isnt publicized openly is that the COINTELPRO still exists today, but instead of targeting African American activists they target the Hip-Hop community and are what is now referred to as the 'Hip-Hop Police.'

So we have now, 1996, before information was as free as it is now, perhaps the most famous man in America, publicly criticizing the US government. What made him different from the likes of today's Kanye West's and Nas' is he had the Black Panther connection, and had their support. His step father was Mutulu Shakur. He could have theoretically led a very pissed off army in a time when the anger from the LA riots was still fresh in people's minds.

So Shakur makes plans to leave the music industry and hints on an interest in entering politics in some way shape or form. He has the support of the youth, he has the money, the image, and the distaste for the powers that be. And dangerously, he has the support of the Black Panthers and that mentality installed in his up bringing.

Then you have the FBI monitoring him up until the point he was shot. No charges are ever pressed. The murder is unsolved. The one suspect ends up dead, while all along professing his innocence. In fact the suspect was involved in a scuffle with Shakur earlier.

How dumb would you have to be to have a fight with one of America's most famous me, in a Las Vegas casino, and THEN shoot him in a drive by? I mean, all fingers would naturally point to you. Is anyone actually that stupid?

And regardless, even if he was responsible, where was the FBI? Why didnt they chase the shooters? Why was the car never found, nor the weapons?

The whole thing stinks. In my opinion either the FBI knew it was going to happen and ignored it welcoming his death, or they helped orchestrate it which seems to case considering the security staff had their weapons taken away for the first time ever.

What do you guys think?

-R

You have a well thought out post. I like what you wrote. However I think Tupak was shot because somebody in the public, probably a adoring fan, actually thought that there was a west coast east coast thing going on. thought tupak and biggie were actually fighting and decided to help out his hero biggie by being a street soldier and shooting tupak.

Not like at the time the demographics for tupak and biggie weren't a lot of really ignorant people. not all but enough for one of them to actually go out and shoot at his favorite rappers entertainment enemies.

Cointelpro would have been better served shooting lennon, which had far more sway than any rapper out there.

Even though I like rappers like Naz, I also feel that the govt agrees with me that by and large the hip hop industry discredits it self especially during those times and that it didn't have enough traction with the real movers and shakers within the US population and society to even really effect the govt. the bottom line. tupak was too small a fry to assasinate. he really had no true sway over the masses. he was just some rapper on MTV. although a brilliant poet. also don't forget tupaks debut dancing with a rubber blow up sex doll in the digital underground video humpty dance.

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Well just so you know any credibility to your knowledge of the 'east coast vs. west coast' rivalry was shot down IMMEDIATELY by your 'TupaK' and 'NaZ' references. I don't understand how your profile says you're from L.A. and can't get the legends name correct.

good post...i saw the documentary on the whole tupac event... too many open ends that point to a cover up.

Originally posted by BASSPLYR
You have a well thought out post. I like what you wrote. However I think Tupak was shot because somebody in the public, probably a adoring fan, actually thought that there was a west coast east coast thing going on. thought tupak and biggie were actually fighting and decided to help out his hero biggie by being a street soldier and shooting tupak.

Not like at the time the demographics for tupak and biggie weren't a lot of really ignorant people. not all but enough for one of them to actually go out and shoot at his favorite rappers entertainment enemies.

Cointelpro would have been better served shooting lennon, which had far more sway than any rapper out there.

Even though I like rappers like Naz, I also feel that the govt agrees with me that by and large the hip hop industry discredits it self especially during those times and that it didn't have enough traction with the real movers and shakers within the US population and society to even really effect the govt. the bottom line. tupak was too small a fry to assasinate. he really had no true sway over the masses. he was just some rapper on MTV. although a brilliant poet. also don't forget tupaks debut dancing with a rubber blow up sex doll in the digital underground video humpty dance.

Well you kind if disproved your own point there. Tupac had no sway over the masses? Yet he had a whole coast of people saying # New York and half the world throwing up the W sign. Even suburban kids to this day still throw it up.

My post however was two fold, perhaps some random guy off the street killed him, this is a possibility and Im not saying it didnt happen. My question remains, why didnt the FBI, who were following him, do anything? Why hasnt the information been released? And why hasnt the case been solved 12 years later?

I mean, someone gets shot, in this case a high profile celebrity, in Las Vegas, in traffic, after a Mike Tyson fight, just off the strip, with cameras and people all around the place, the FBI following him, descriptions of the get away vehicle, and it's UNSOLVED? This is Las Vegas, where the hell did the car disappear to?

Why didnt the Police do a helicopter search for the car? They just didn't.

Why was his security not allowed to carry their licensed firearms that particular night by order of the LVPD?

Something was going on. Regardless of who shot him, the government, police, or a gang banger, the FBI is covering something. In my opinion they are either involved, or chose not to prevent it, or chose not to help.

[edit on 6-8-2008 by Mikeraphone]

I think he was shot down by Illuminati because he had the potential to make a rebel army and maybe overthrow or screw with the government some how.
He talked about things like "# Illuminati" publicly and always talked about having under cover cops trying to kill him.
He actually was being shot at by two under cover cops and managed to kill them both and went to court, and got away with it because the cops were off duty and obviously trying to kill him. When that happened it made him even more of a hero.

In a way I think there have been a few versions of Jesus over time and I think he was one of them.

Tupac wasn't a political threat. To be blunt, Obama is going to have a hell of a time getting elected now, do you really think that back then a black rapper who associated himself with gangs was going to get even a whisper of a chance? Having the youth and having passion on your side is one thing, but the truth is that the youth doesn't vote, no matter how passionate they are, and the deciding factor in any election on any level is the middle-aged middle-class.

As for the Black Panther angle, that could have some merit. The problem I see is that the only 'practical' path for groups like that is to have protests, and no one pays attention to protests. If they did we would be out of Iraq right now. At the extreme, the futility of any efforts Tupac might have may have caused more riots (like you said, it was right after the LA riots) and that wouldn't do anything but hurt the rioters cause. No one respects people who burn down towns in protest. So if the FBI wanted Tupac out of the question, they would have let him be; he would have eventually ran out of steam, or been discredited for being associated with another riot (or similar situation).

I think the FBI (actually the Vegas PD probably) didn't investigate because they didn't care.

Originally posted by avingard
Tupac wasn't a political threat. To be blunt, Obama is going to have a hell of a time getting elected now, do you really think that back then a black rapper who associated himself with gangs was going to get even a whisper of a chance? Having the youth and having passion on your side is one thing, but the truth is that the youth doesn't vote, no matter how passionate they are, and the deciding factor in any election on any level is the middle-aged middle-class.

As for the Black Panther angle, that could have some merit. The problem I see is that the only 'practical' path for groups like that is to have protests, and no one pays attention to protests. If they did we would be out of Iraq right now. At the extreme, the futility of any efforts Tupac might have may have caused more riots (like you said, it was right after the LA riots) and that wouldn't do anything but hurt the rioters cause. No one respects people who burn down towns in protest. So if the FBI wanted Tupac out of the question, they would have let him be; he would have eventually ran out of steam, or been discredited for being associated with another riot (or similar situation).

I think the FBI (actually the Vegas PD probably) didn't investigate because they didn't care.

Wrong, every black person speaking out about Illuminati get shot.
I can't remember all names but Malcom X, Martin Luther, a bunch of others.

Originally posted by buds84
I think he was shot down by Illuminati because he had the potential to make a rebel army and maybe overthrow or screw with the government some how.
He talked about things like "# Illuminati" publicly and always talked about having under cover cops trying to kill him.
He actually was being shot at by two under cover cops and managed to kill them both and went to court, and got away with it because the cops were off duty and obviously trying to kill him. When that happened it made him even more of a hero.

In a way I think there have been a few versions of Jesus over time and I think he was one of them.

Tupac didnt believe in the Illuminati, or rather, told people there are more important things to worry about in their every day lives, like the conditions of their neighborhoods and society. He had a lot of old guys blaming the Illuminati for being in jail when he was locked up and thought people were using the Illuminati too much to excuse their own choices and # ups, so he wanted to "kill" that notion.

And no, Tupac never killed any off duty police officers, he shot one in the ass while they were assaulting him because he thought it was a robbery attempt as they never pulled out badges and were drunk and off duty.

Originally posted by avingard
Tupac wasn't a political threat. To be blunt, Obama is going to have a hell of a time getting elected now, do you really think that back then a black rapper who associated himself with gangs was going to get even a whisper of a chance? Having the youth and having passion on your side is one thing, but the truth is that the youth doesn't vote, no matter how passionate they are, and the deciding factor in any election on any level is the middle-aged middle-class.

No, but what Obama doesnt have and Tupac did, is FANS! Not to mention people in Los Angeles hanging off his every word. He may not have any political opportunities to get elected (he was a fellon as well), but he sure could cause riots. He could cause political PROBLEMS, even if he himself was not a political threat.

As for the Black Panther angle, that could have some merit. The problem I see is that the only 'practical' path for groups like that is to have protests, and no one pays attention to protests. If they did we would be out of Iraq right now. At the extreme, the futility of any efforts Tupac might have may have caused more riots (like you said, it was right after the LA riots) and that wouldn't do anything but hurt the rioters cause. No one respects people who burn down towns in protest. So if the FBI wanted Tupac out of the question, they would have let him be; he would have eventually ran out of steam, or been discredited for being associated with another riot (or similar situation).

I think you underestimate the impact of the Panthers. Pac's aunt after all, is Assata Shakur, and she is still on the most wanted list, many believe wrongfully, on and on the run. The Panthers reached so many minds and made so many changes, yet didnt have the platform that Tupac had.

I think the FBI (actually the Vegas PD probably) didn't investigate because they didn't care.

They should care whenever someone gets murdered, it is their job. Not caring is bad enough, perhaps worse than a conspiracy.

There is also evidence that his 94 shooting, which he survived, was a set up.

The two police officers that showed up at the scene were the same two who testified against him earlier for his sexual assault trial. All they could say was "how's it hanging." He was later convicted of "touching her behind," and was given the MAXIMUM sentence for that crime, something like 4 years but luckily he was bailed out. Who gets the maximum sentence for touching a females behind unless they want to get rid of him, one way or the other.

Out of all the cops in New York, those two are the first on the scene, before the Police were even called?! Coincidence? At the very least I think it is proof that they were following him from very early on in his career because of his Panther ties.

[edit on 7-8-2008 by Mikeraphone]

True, my post was about Tupac faking his death, but that was with pure speculation and for the topic to be discussed since I was interested in the feedback of the possibility.

I think your OP may be closer to the actual truth and I agree wholeheartedly with it.

There are so many 'WHY?'s to this case its unbelievable...

I would like to get more people speculating about this, maybe in time with the more people looking into his death, Tupac may RIP after all...

As already mentioned, well thought out post

In regards to the Black panthers... IMO, what they had then no longer exists today.
The time and elements were right for their movement at that point in history, but times have changed and so have many of the groups of yesteryear.
I don't believe the affiliation had anything to do with his death.

As far as the FBI following him (which I have never seen any actual proof), there could be upteen millions of different reasons for the tail.

The FBI has interests in many people in North America as well as the rest of the world, to say Tupac deserved any more attention then the others would be unfounded without actual proof, rather than speculation.

If he was in fact being tailed or monitored by the FBI or any other agency for that matter, there could be several reasons why no one was apprehended or identified as the shooter.

- Even under surveillance, many things go un-seen.

- The decision to follow or apprehend the shooter may not have been an option if the operation was to be kept quiet. Orders are orders.

- As the movies sometimes glamorously display, the shooter could have been a bigger fish for cultivation later on.

I am not downing your theories, as mentioned , you have a well thought out post where in today's society anything is possible.

I'm just presenting an opposing side.

All that being said, I do believe there is more to the story behind his death, as in that of Biggie, but unfortunately we will probably never know.

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i never post here, just browse, but i love Hip Hop, check this from 96;




Im intrigued by the 5% (nation)influenced rappers, which is alot of them, but i mean the guys who go on about it in their rhymes. Wise Intelligent from PRT is on another plane man, and i dont think there is any coincidence that those preaching the ways of the nation of islam got little to no mainstream success. Instead, conscious artists such as Brand Nubian, Jeru The Damaja, Poor Righteous Teachers were kicked to the curb as labels started taking on all these 'gangsta' wannabes. And by the concept of 'word is life' such artists, constantly repeated on the radio, do nothing but help put a lead on the consciousness of the poor communities which in turn manifests as reality.

"Vibrations transcend space and time, pure at heat because i deal with the mind" - Jeru (do you think this is the kind of material the ppl in control want the masses to be exposed to?)

Just a question and an actual serious one... But does anyone actually know what "The Don Killuminati" stood for, or meant?

First of all Tupac Biggie and nas are NOT legends. not even musical genius.

of them all nas probably is the most intellectual and talented. The east coast west coast thing was drummed up by the record industry to induce interest in a then and still largely waning genre of rap. Not nas he's a different issue. The only people who thought that crap was for real were the obsessed fans of biggie and tupac.

THey had no real or remotely tangable sway on the masses. the only sway they had was with their fans who really thought that stuff was for real. Some idiot decided to be a "street soldier" and cap their favorite rappers "adversary"

It's no real big mystery why they both got shot. I guess they never heard the song "there's no future in your front'n" would have saved them their fates if they had heeded that warning.

dude I'm from Los Angeles. lived in NY for a little while. don't know why you think I would get confused about where I live.

also, pretty sure 99.999999% of the citizens of LA don't give a rats ass about tupac or biggie or nas. Not even the thugs in the hood.

and most people weren't saying f the east coast only the douches on MTV and the people who believed it that were less than critical fans of these rappers. Don't get me wrong angelenos generally don't care too much for NY city. it's the city that never sleeps which is why it looks like s in the morning. that and the general perception that most new yorkers can't see past their noses. thats the only f the east coast out here. but in the context the rappers were talking about nobody cared except for them and their fans.

Besides what your credibility on this issue. are you a gangsta rapper. are you a gang member. are you personal friends with these mentioned rappers or somebody in their entourage. do you work deep in the record industry and know the real tupac or biggie. whats your credibility. just curious.

[edit on 27-11-2008 by BASSPLYR]

[edit on 27-11-2008 by BASSPLYR]

Assassinated my ass, he got shot. Tupac was not a revolutionary, or an influential black leader. I mean what's next, if the singer for Sparta or a member of green day die, it will be the government taking out wanna be punk psuedo liberal critics of the Iraq war? If you want to know why no one was caught ask yourself, since when do black people actually believe in talking to the police? I mean all you hear is "# these pigs" and "don't snitch", and you wonder why the police don't care? Tupac was about as important as Rick James or Prince was, in other words, outside of some music/film context he is absolutly unimportant in every sense of the word.

Thumbs up.
I think ur onto a good idea here. The hip-hop police have always watched over the rich, highly priveleged african american artists. It would only make sense that they would see tupac as an immediate threat. Go listen to some of his songs, especially "letter to the president"

"Scared ta look into the eyes of a thug n****//
Tired of bein scapegoats for these capitalistic drug dealers//"

Theres lots of lines in that song that really jump out, thats just one of them... but yes your point is seen. Theres so many theories, but I fear we will never truly know what happened to him. R.I.P. tupac, 12 years gone now.
-Z-

*Snip* Everything you are saying is simply an opinion and should DEFINATELY NOT be taken as fact. You are by no means the absolute know all professional of the rap world and in all actuality when push comes to shove, *Snip*

Tupac was an artist, he was intelligent and he was highly cared for by people who lived what he spoke of everyday. Just because you're a white boy raised in the suburbs by his rich family and you couldnt understand where these artists come from doesnt mean he wasnt an artist, wasnt intelligent and wasnt inspirational... these men are some of the most influential people in the music biz, even today! Ta say that 99.9999999% of LA doesnt care for tupac is ignorant. Please, show me where you got these statistics, aside from your own one sided opinion and i'll shut my mouth. Ever heard the song, "To Live And Die In L.A."?

*Snip*

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[edit on 11/28/2008 by semperfortis]

I don't think the FBI had anything to do with orchestrating Tupac Shakur's murder. On the other hand, I firmly believe they helped cover up the evidence of who did kill him because they never really tried to find out either who did it, or if they did know who did it, they carefully avoided finding enough "evidence" to arrest, much less take to trial, those who were responsible for his murder. And, to me, that make's them aiders, and abeters and accessories during and after the fact.