Too large to be executed??

I truly believe in the death for inmates who are found 100% guilty. Hard evidence that they actually commeted the murders. Should just be shot after the guilty verdict is read. Some one like Jeffrey Dahmer we know that he killed all those guys. He should have just been shot. We (america) are to easy on murders and child molesters. Those 2 groups of people we should have no tolerance. Like other countries. But like I said I only believe in the death penalty if there is 100% proof that the person did the crime. If there is even a .5% percent chance that the person didnt do the murder then I dont think the death penalty should be an option.

edit to add: they should just starve him til he is thin enough for the lethal injection. What this guy has done to people, and their families he deserves to suffer just as much as the families have suffered the lost of their loved ones.

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I am one of the most platonic subserviant members of humanity that helped people most of my life. I abhor killing in any venue. War, street.
But in cases like this we have a monster at the door. I am convinced some people are non rehabilitable. When you kill and are caught. You made your bed. And in that bed you shall raise up daisies.

I think in this case it's time to bring back some OLD SCHOOL~! Put him on the firing line and shoot him dead. Hang his fat as- wait, most likely too fat for that. Oh! We can put him in a guillotine. That'd be good for a fat disgusting thing like him.

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I think that's the whole point to a firing squad. Five shooters, one (unknown who) has a blank, extra powder for recoil. I think a firing squad is very humane in that it is a near instantaeous kill, and most likely painless. Primarly objections to firing squad, I suppose, is that it is too visual for some folks. I mean, I wouldn't choose to witness a firing squad merely for entertainment, and I wouldn't choose to be one of the shooters. It worked.

I am in favor of the death penalty; I think it's good for deterring violent crime, and I think it's good for the family of the victims to know the murdered is done and gone, and provides some modicum of respect and closure.

I bet if this case had been heard in Texas, it'd been ancient history more than 10 years ago.

Originally posted by Quazga

I'm sick of these people hungry for vengence who want to kill another human being out of bloodlust. We are talking about Justice here, not Vengence.

How do you define justice, do you think of it as what is right, fair, appropriate,deserved ?


If so then wouldn't it be fair to say that a man that chose to rape and murder two girls, should in turn lose his life ? Do you not believe that he deserves the same fate that he dealt out ? Is it not appropriate that he should also lose his life?


Was it right for him to rape and murder, was it fair to the victims, did they deserve it ? Were his actions towards his victims appropriate ?


Revenge would be more like turning him over to the families of his victims and letting them do to him as they pleased. Instead he is receiving what society and a jury of his peers consider justice.


I don't think that the posters here have bloodlust i think that they just want to see the man's sentence carried out. I think they're just upset because he seems to have found a way to get out of his death sentence.


If you want to see bloodlust, look at the man who raped and killed two girls, that's bloodlust.


I say put him on a diet and exercise program so his sentence can be carried out.

So, I guess he wasn't too fat when he was out raping and terrorizing women???

So, if he's to fat for the needle why can't we just give him a bullet???

A nice big 44calibre two to the back of the head, I volunteer.

Let's kill him and get it over with already.

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Well said, and you phrased it much better than myself. I agree with everything you said. For violent, horrific crimes, I don't believe a person who is capable of such things has much of a capacity to "rehabilitate". I don't think it matters if they do. As you said, they are monsters and have made their bed.

In regard to insanity pleas, I'm in favor of "guilty but insane", which should keep the person in jail even in the event of having undergone a psychological therapy.

Sometimes, I think people are just........... broken. No, I'm not a Republican.

I hear you argentus. Firing squad would be lethal and quick. I am sick of pussy footing aroung these killer sops. Put them in the ground where they belong. I'm too fat to die! Wrongo.

There is other ways than lethal injection to get the job done. This is ridiculous.

This shouldn't even be an issue.

I have always viewed execution as being society's way of saying

"You have broken a fundamental rule amongst a set of a rules that we have all agreed on under a sovereignty in order to further our society. You are therefore a burden on our society in every sense of the word. We cannot allow you to live, not only for justice, but for the better of our society. Therefore we will kill you."

So, does the question stand for me as to whether or not we should kill him?

No. He broke the rules that he knew led to this punishment.

The question that remains is how should his death be carried out if not lethal injection?

I honestly don't mind how they are killed, as long as it is quick. The more drawn out it is, the longer they are a burden on society.

Should he receive and eye for an eye style death? I don't think so. It isn't explicitly stated in the law that he should. I tend to agree that sounds more revengeful rather than following the notion of justice.

He was responsible for those deaths like it is our responsibility for his. The faster, the cheaper, the better.

I agree, Raabjorn, completely.

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Bullets are way too expensive. Let's use something different. Court rooms should be on the top floor of a high building, something like the 20th floor or better.

Death sentences are commuted immediately. (Similar to "Escape from New York".. didn't they have the option to cash out right then and there??)

Via the "Express Elevator". A side door with one big step out.

Since there is a large dumpster near the building, thats the "target", I mean resting place. Soon enough, the garbage truck comes along as usual and dumps the trash in the dump. No inconvenience to anyone.

No effort. No wasted money. No free nothing.

Eye for an eye indeed. I see it like a reboot. Maybe it will work better next time around.

Originally posted by quaple_pouge

Originally posted by Quazga

For example, in the west cattle rustling was punishable by hanging. Why? Who was hurt? Stuff was stolen, but why kill someone? BECAUSE, in that time Cattle was THE biggest industry, and so it needed to be protected. It was easy to steal cattle, and so they created HUGE fines (i.e. death) for those who did it, so as to deter the behavior.

I'm sick of these people hungry for vengence who want to kill another human being out of bloodlust. We are talking about Justice here, not Vengence.

Excuse me, we are not talking about cattle here...we are talking about TWO human lives that were taken without thought or remorse. I am almost 100% sure that if he had not been caught there would be several more. This is not a man, this is a monster who preys on innocent people. He does not deserve to live, he is a menace to society. Why should my tax dollars go to housing, clothing, and feeding him?

They shouldn't. And I never argued against the death penalty. I argued that you don't understand it's purpose.

The death penalty is not for the "victims closure". That is simply vengence and those who seek it are no better than the criminal in the first place.

The death penalty is for deterrence. The reason it was done in public squares is because that would have the greatest effect on the masses and actually deter crime.

Your bloodlust is what sickens me. Executions are not for vengence. Unless of course you are executing a Tyrant.



[edit on 5-8-2008 by Quazga]

The death penalty isn't about vengeance or revenge, it is about justice. If we lower ourselves to the level of vengeance or revenge then we are only but a step closer to the person who has violated one of the most sacred of our laws.

If we take out a lot of this emotion then it becomes more of a clear cut issue of doing what is best for society, it becomes a quest for justice for those who were killed or harmed by the offender.

Originally posted by quaple_pouge
"COLUMBUS, Ohio — A death row inmate scheduled for execution in October says he's so fat that Ohio executioners would have trouble finding his veins and that his weight could diminish the effectiveness of one of the lethal injection drugs.

Lawyers for Richard Cooey argue in a federal lawsuit that Cooey had poor veins when he faced execution five years ago and that the problem has been worsened by weight gain.

Cooey, 41, was sentenced to die for raping and murdering two female University of Akron students in 1986. After a federal judge granted Cooey a last-minute reprieve in 2003, Cooey was returned to death row. In April, he lost a challenge to Ohio's lethal injection process when the U.S. Supreme Court said he had missed a deadline to file a lawsuit."



I found this on FoxNews.com. I cannot believe that person, who is on death row for raping and murdering two women might actually have a chance to evade execution! I am so sick of hearing of lethal injection being "creul and unusual punishment". What about the people that were hurt by the hands of these monsters that are on death row?

It sucks Quaple but I say let the ***** rot a while longer. He'll get what's due come the day....

Originally posted by quaple_pouge
I am so sick of hearing of lethal injection being "creul and unusual punishment". What about the people that were hurt by the hands of these monsters that are on death row?

Well, I'm against any kind of death penalty because Imho its the exact opposite of that.

Death penalties are the easy way out. Make them live trough hell and earth untill they die at age 124.

Well, I'm against any kind of death penalty because Imho its the exact opposite of that.

Death penalties are the easy way out. Make them live trough hell and earth untill they die at age 124.

I want murderers to die. If we cannot end their lives then here is what we do.

If we should allow monsters to rot in jail forever, we should also be allowed to opt out of paying for their welfare. I vote not to carry their burden. If others wish to fund the prison system and it's occupants, have at it. You can decide how your funds are spent be it cable, new shoes, snacks, hell buy em bibles too, it will be your money.

Very simple.

Just use that thing the hit man had in the book ( and movie) "No country for old men", it is an Air (co2) injected rod that they use on cattle.

You just put it up to his forhead and "THAWAWWP!!" The scum bag is dead instantly.

Ok.