People Are voting for OBAMA because they want him as president!

Originally posted by optimistic skeptic
So, whatever Obama has in mind - IT CAN'T BE ANY WORSE THAN WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.

Do you want to bet?
Just think of Jimmy Carter and imagine worse than his presidency.
Obama will change America into a typical EU type of state.

reply to post by WhatTheory


That's my point, honey......and our current situation is better than the Jimmy Carter era how????

I'm confused. I guess I fail to see your point. My apologies.

reply to post by WhatTheory


Oh, and actually Jimmy Carter was president when I was born in 1978. So, I don't actually remember his presidency. I only know what history books taught me.

Why else do you vote for a candidate?

Originally posted by WhatTheory

A) Nationalized Healthcare -
B) Higher Taxes
C) Increased size of government
D) Increased government regulations
E) Income Redistribution
F) Increase in government welfare policies
G) Against being energy independent


[edit on 3-8-2008 by WhatTheory]

A) Nationalized Healthcare - I'm for it if the current privatized system doesn't get its act together. Up 100% in 8 years, so in twenty more years we will be up 240%, can you afford that ???

I look at it as we will pay to pull your char broiled half dead butt out of burning car via tax $$$ . However we could care less if you receive any treatment at all to treat your burns and the rest...

Would the knee jerk conservative at least vote human suicide booths for the uninsured?

B) Higher Taxes - Ah ,,but for who??? And considering the conservative BUSH has put us way in the hole don't you think we should all man up and bail out OUR country.

And may I remind you EISENHOWER [R] taxed the 1% at 90%... for a booming economy in the 50's...

C) Increased size of government - Ya likely... BUSH did to... Alot ... Did you vote for Bush?

D) Increased government regulations- Yup I hope the government reverses the radiation of food...

E) Income Redistribution- Yup as it is now Warren Buffet worth $53,000,000,000.00
pays less % per dollar then you... Average wage is about $45,000
Do you advocate a PLUTOCRACY or DEMOCRACY?

F) Increase in government welfare policies - Your right... However I would rather pay for food then the a BS war in IRAQ! Plus you are forgetting that that money goes right back into the economy and stimulates it, every months like clock work. As long as it is
not abused, as its is in some cases and not in others.


G) Against being energy independent - ??? - Not accurate ( are you kidding ), Obama is a liberal (pinko). Just because he is opposed to certain drilling... HE has a different strategy then the Conservatives, of all the statements this is the only ignorant one.

Pinko Terrorist loving unpatriotic American haters turn... You guys messed up!


[edit on 3-8-2008 by mental modulator]

Originally posted by WhatTheory
I have to agree with some here that Obama's views and opinions are consistant with socialism. There are so many issues that prove this, such as:

A) Nationalized Healthcare
B) Higher Taxes
C) Increased size of government
D) Increased government regulations
E) Income Redistribution
F) Increase in government welfare policies
G) Against being energy independent

There are more but that is a few off the top of my head.

You add this list to other issues regarding his character and judgement and you have a candidate who is bad for America.

And before some of you knee-jerk liberals start shouting racist, this has nothing to do with him being black. I would feel the same way regardless of his skin color.
[edit on 3-8-2008 by WhatTheory]

Just so I'm clear, The Democratic party basically produced two candidates (Hilary and Obama) that are bad for America. These 2 candidates opinions are socialistic? I mean we all know according to a lot of political pundits Hilary and Obama were almost 100%. They both wanted nationalized health care, Increase in tax etc etc etc..

My point is, with the number of people that turned out to vote for the 2 candidates (Which I believe if you combined both they far exceed Mccain) this is the new view of America. They must be happy with all this socialism you speak of. So my question is what is your point? He pushes these and so did Hilary. IF he fails then he fails. It cant be any worst than the past 8 years or what we can expect of Mccain (and mind you. I don't pretend to know the future. Mccain could be the best or worst president but from what i hear from the man it cant be good).

Originally posted by optimistic skeptic
reply to post by WhatTheory

 

Oh, and actually Jimmy Carter was president when I was born in 1978. So, I don't actually remember his presidency. I only know what history books taught me.

Well technically Jimmy Carter administration holds the all time record for the lowest national debt...

Should I bust out a graph from the government????

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Yes Homer a 3 year old bi polar autistic monkey could do a better and more honorable job than bush!

If we want healthcare dammit we should get it!!! Its our country and should be by the people for the people! Not by the corperation for the corperation:dn.: Why shouldn't we all benefit from our position in the would and all the wealth we have created!!!
Call me socialist,,, can't change the fact that I am a fifth generation American!

Not mad at you Homer, just passionate

[edit on 3-8-2008 by mental modulator]

reply to post by mental modulator


Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That our current situation is not worse than the Jimmy Carter era. Scroll up please.

Anyway, thanks for the info.

What is wrong with you people , have none of you watched the candidate debates, or the campaign speeches? You want to vote for Obama or Mccain.. that is absurd they haven't show any intelligence whatsoever on any of the matters which need attention.
May i remind you Mccain is a member of the trilateral commission , and obama is also closely tied to members of the trilateral commission. Any administration which has comprised of members from the trilateral commission, or been connected to it in any way has enforced bad policies. Which have slowly been aimed at destroying the constitution and taking away the rights of the people. Either way if Obama or Mccain are president then things will take a frightening turn for the worst.

The only hope and change which can be achieved will be through ron paul .

Originally posted by optimistic skeptic
That's my point, honey......and our current situation is better than the Jimmy Carter era how????

Oh boy, where to begin.
Unemployment rate was at 10%. The inflation rate was at 10%. There was an actual recession so the economy fell into the toilet. Carter was terrible at foreign affairs because of his appeasement policies which resulted in the Iranian hostage crises. This is only the tip of the iceburg because you also cannot forget about his socialist ideals.

Here is a little article which points out some other issues:
Jimmy Carter

Originally posted by WhatTheory

Originally posted by anyone
Obama stands for a new era. I still have hope.

New does not necessarily equal good or better.

Can you name me something new about what Obama plans to do for the country? What's new about any of his ideas?

Let's just start with a step farther away from segregation. It is apparent to me that we as a society are still far from desegregated. Having a president that is not just black and not just white but biracial, is the symbol of the melting pot that we are. I by no means want to objectify him in saying this, but face it, he will be the first and not the last person of color representing our melting pot. It's been a long time coming. That alone is new and hopeful for a greater shift in paradigm for some of the laggers-behind.

Now that being one of most obvious, there is also his idea of bringing more of gov't. dealings/hearings closer to the public eye -like airing things at more convenient times etc..

I think that having students giving community service in return for tuition gifting by the gov't is a wonderful idea.

These are just a few reasons why I think Obama as president would be the start of a new era.

Already the insightful way he plays the diplomat is another excellant change from the closed off way Bush plays "diplomat."

He is a moving human being that seems to really care about our United States as well as our community called Earth. He is inspiring and provoking.



love and light,
-anyone

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Well I wish Ron Paul was a viable option... If the Reds had him as the main man then this would be a different story. I remember Nader... He was a geek but all the way for what he felt was right!

reply to post by mental modulator

I typically go for the Democrats, but I liked Paul.

He had good visions, that's why people didn't recognize him. Because he wanted to expose the government for what it really is.

Originally posted by mental modulator
If we want healthcare dammit we should get it!!! Its our country and should be by the people for the people!

Well, for starters, it's not all the people who want universal healthcare. It's only people like yourself and it's not the majority of Americans.
Just because the people want something does not mean it's right. IF all the people wanted slavery, should it be implemented? Of course not.

Secondly and most importantly, it's unconstitutional! So unless you get Congress to amend the Constitution, nationalized healthcare is unconstitutional.

Originally posted by WhatTheory

Originally posted by optimistic skeptic
That's my point, honey......and our current situation is better than the Jimmy Carter era how????

Oh boy, where to begin.
Unemployment rate was at 10%. The inflation rate was at 10%. There was an actual recession so the economy fell into the toilet. Carter was terrible at foreign affairs because of his appeasement policies which resulted in the Iranian hostage crises. This is only the tip of the iceburg because you also cannot forget about his socialist ideals.

Here is a little article which points out some other issues:
Jimmy Carter

zfacts.com... - my source is gov...

Originally posted by WhatTheory

Originally posted by optimistic skeptic
That's my point, honey......and our current situation is better than the Jimmy Carter era how????

Oh boy, where to begin.
Unemployment rate was at 10%. The inflation rate was at 10%. There was an actual recession so the economy fell into the toilet. Carter was terrible at foreign affairs because of his appeasement policies which resulted in the Iranian hostage crises. This is only the tip of the iceburg because you also cannot forget about his socialist ideals.

Here is a little article which points out some other issues:
Jimmy Carter

Also Jimmy Carter's National security advisor was Zbigniew Kazimierz Brzezinski, founding member of the trilateral commision . His son mark Brzezinski , was also one of Clinton's national security advisors, and is currently an advisor for Obama.

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Originally posted by WhatTheory

Originally posted by optimistic skeptic
That's my point, honey......and our current situation is better than the Jimmy Carter era how????

Oh boy, where to begin.
Unemployment rate was at 10%. The inflation rate was at 10%. There was an actual recession so the economy fell into the toilet. Carter was terrible at foreign affairs because of his appeasement policies which resulted in the Iranian hostage crises. This is only the tip of the iceburg because you also cannot forget about his socialist ideals.

Here is a little article which points out some other issues:
Jimmy Carter

And your site Rates LBJ as one of the top three???

And it forgets our current one...???

Sorry but like it or not Bush is gonna get the title for the ages of the worst!!

Originally posted by mental modulator
reply to post by aLinkToThePast

 

Well I wish Ron Paul was a viable option... If the Reds had him as the main man then this would be a different story. I remember Nader... He was a geek but all the way for what he felt was right!

So what should we do just roll over and let the next president finish the cycle in destroying the United States. Its a Shame that the people have no power at all , and that we continue voting for 2 fixed candidates which continue to destroy America. The NWO is probably already celebrating their victory, they have both candidates either way its a win win. So voting mentality is "oh i have no other choice, might as well vote for obama (Mccain)" . People clouded by denial and to lazy to make an effort to realize what is going on, or to do anything about it. Write in Paul on the ballots, He probably won't win but you can do the right thing, and not conform to social norm.. of being brainwashed.

[edit on 3-8-2008 by aLinkToThePast]