Who is behind climate change deniers?

Originally posted by Long Lance
note that if the subject wasn't so depressing, more smilies would have been in order.[/quote

Agreed and i apologise for not adding any beside the next one.

people were starving way before GW was even a term, the will continue starving as long as there are countries ruled by incompetent, resource (and soul-) selling dictators who send their thugs to quell and dissent - and any initiative, too -

And as long as there are so many large and very rich nations supporting such dictators and tyrants with arms and training as well as propaganda defenses the people in their societies who do rise up will almost always be crushed.

as long as societies are ravaged by war and whenever societies are inacpable of identifying their problems or adhering to value systems which favor opression over adaption.

As long as minority party oppressive forces in so many countries are sponsored into power against the wishes of the majority that majority will never be able to have their will done.

oh and before i forget it, as long as wackos keep promoting biofuels made from food crops, using

*drumroll*

global warming

As you rightly point many suckers may in fact be born every minute but in my opinion that's nothing compared to what happens as results of intelligently crafted and deployed propaganda. The amount of suckers you can create thought that process is not limited to people being born now but includes plenty of older more mature suckers....

Beside for that addition you can just keep up what i consider to be very good work on this subject matter.

Thanks

Stellar

Same folks who deny everything that directly impacts them, thus making the situation more volatile and probably more dangerous.

No one has brainwashed me into believing there is no man-made global warming, I came to the conclusion myself. Even among a generation of "save the polar bears" "earth day" "SOS Day" crap, myself and a select group of friends still don't see the logical evidence behind global warming. I have managed to turn a few more people to my side just by having conversations with them, and I am glad to see many people waking up and questioning the global warming myth all around me.

Scientists Sign Petition Denying Man-Made Global Warming
More than 31,000 scientists have signed a petition denying that man is responsible for global warming.

An assertion by the former science editor of the BBC, David Whitehouse in the reputable British journal New Statesman that global warming has stopped, should be taken very seriously by the world's climate science community, according to Bryan Leyland, of the New Zealand Climate Science Coalition. Mr Leyland recently led a team of international skeptics to Bali for the UNFCC conference on climate change.

www.scoop.co.nz...

'The fact is that the global temperature of 2007 is statistically the same as 2006 and every year since 2001'.

www.newstatesman.com...

There IS A Problem With Global Warming... IT STOPPED IN 1998!

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Long Lance and Stellar in a thread, must be something worth a look here

You have to admire the skill of The Man's PR machine. Environmentalists used to be the anti-establishment main stay. Now that it's trendy to be green, global warming has turned once proud eco-warriors into mindless sheep, unwittingly and pathetically bleeting the propoganda whilst the elite continue to rob from our pockets, restrict our freedoms and enslave our souls.

Until warmth has returned to mass of humanity and the children are singing in the streets, main stream opinion is almost certainly 180 degrees off.

Hell is cold, heaven is warm - bring on the global warming

reply to post by Yarcofin
You forgot to mention that those 31,000 scientists got paid last year. According to the OP, that makes their opinions worthless.

I love it when the subject of someone actually being paid for doing their job gets brought up to discredit them. I guess the OP doesn't receive pay from his job, and that the scientists who advocate GW don't get paid either. I'm waiting for them to starve to death so we can go back to a more normal life without Al Gore.

All sarcasm aside: Good catch!

TheRedneck

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Aye, it's well-known that the denial industry's talking heads are generally funded shills. I covered the same issue here. A good video that traces the history of american denial of climate science from their tobacco and defence industry roots.

I also see the same old skanky oft-refuted arguments repeated by the same people here, lulz. As well as their penchant for misrepresentation and erecting strawmen.



[edit on 5-8-2008 by melatonin]

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No one has to be brainwashed.

That's the great thing about the deniers' strategy.

Seed enough doubt about something people don't want to believe, and they won't believe it. People don't want to believe bad news, for one thing. For another, they resist the idea because they are (correctly IMO) suspicious of government and other institutions that seem to be promoting the idea, seeing it as just another excuse to control them.

In fact it is being used as an excuse by some, but that doesn't mean it isn't happening. Anyone who looks at the data without ideological filters can see that we're changing the composition of our planet's atmosphere, and that this will have climatological consequences.

I hate all this "green" stuff: I'm a car and motorcycle racing nut.
I hate emissions control laws in particular, but I have grudgingly come to believe that they're necessary. I didn't want to believe it.

But when I was a little younger, and a little less wary of self-deception, I believed the deniers hook, line, and sinker. Until I realized who was backing them... the very economic interests threatened by any strategy to turn back the clock on climate change.

They didn't want to believe in the sickness, because they don't like the medicine, it tasted bad to them.
Just like me.

I wanted to justify my 350hp RX-7 with no cats and an atmospheric wastegate to myself

But we shouldn't believe what we want to believe, but what fits the facts.

[edit on 8/5/08 by xmotex]

I see no one questioned my responce to this and the link I put up back on page 4 from live science.com.

It`s not that we don`t believe there is GW, we know there is. We are tired of all the blame being put on the people, when it`s not just their fault. Yes, we do need to get away from fossil fuels, and I believe if you come down on the car companies alone, you would see a great change in things. Get away from gas and fuel oil engines and it will help a lot.

Are the ones who believe that people are the main cause for GW driving cars themselves? Or do they take a bus or ride in jets or cabs? Even Al Gore can`t say he doesn`t. Then to turn around and say that we are to blame, has no logic in it at all. That`s like the pot calling the kettle black.

[edit on 5-8-2008 by FiatLux]

I'm confused LongLance...

Is that spelled S-u-n?



And was that multiple major ice advances/retreats before (supposedly ) the existance of man?

Can't be! Who was driving the SUVs in North America?

You BAD! BAD! prehistoric whatever-you-ares... You're consuming all of the Earth's resources!!!

A prehistoric whatever-you-ares steps out from behind a 150 foot tall fern..

Psst! Buddy... Can I interest you in some carbon credits?

[edit on 6-8-2008 by golemina]

Originally posted by ParaFreaky
Same folks who deny everything that directly impacts them, thus making the situation more volatile and probably more dangerous.

so let me get this straight: according to you, one cannot deny anything when it affects us, because we're merely trying to get a better deal, right? but then we can't deny it when it doesn't affect us, because then it'd be none of our business!

i can already see where this is going.

if people don't believe all BS spponfed to them, the situation gets more volatile and dangerous. well, because if the carrot doesn't work as advertised, a big stick is required. i for one can't wait to see a few sheeple forcibly awakened, but then i'm probably a cold-hearted b'st*rd.

Originally posted by xmotex

No one has to be brainwashed.

That's the great thing about the deniers' strategy.

Seed enough doubt about something people don't want to believe, and they won't believe it. People don't want to believe bad news, for one thing.

from no on i will only believe the bad news. i obviously can't help it, because i'd become a 'denier' if i didn't. thanks for clearing that up.

you know what the great thing about strategy as a whole really is? it's value free and therefore anyone can develop an effective one, not just the wackos.

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Originally posted by FiatLux
I see no one questioned my responce to this and the link I put up back on page 4 from live science.com.

It`s not that we don`t believe there is GW, we know there is. We are tired of all the blame being put on the people, when it`s not just their fault. Yes, we do need to get away from fossil fuels, and I believe if you come down on the car companies alone, you would see a great change in things. Get away from gas and fuel oil engines and it will help a lot.

fossil fuels are focused on, because they are currently the main source of energy in industrialized societies. they can't say that openly, so they invented the 'CO2 is poisonous' nonsense.

it's not about CO2 or any other trace gas, it's about power and human influence on climate is certainly a given, but through wildly differing means. anything that destroys wildlife and most importantly, the oceans will throughly harm the biosphere as a whole.

now, did you see them make progress in that department? no, they're
outsourcing to China, where they aren't giving a d'mn about anything and to top it off, are given air tax money for it:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

thread by Manson, what a coincidence

Originally posted by golemina
I'm confused LongLance...

Is that spelled S-u-n?

And was that multiple major ice advances/retreats before (supposedly

) the existance of man?

Can't be! Who was driving the SUVs in North America?

heck, the Aliens' saucers at that time were probably Sports-Utility-Saucers and killed the climate. most likely they lived in North America.....

hey why don't they tax past emissions, too? gotta be creative with your racket, don't you?

[edit on 2008.8.6 by Long Lance]