Obama talks about future stimulus checks

Originally posted by sos37
reply to post by Andrew E. Wiggin

 

I'll defend any big business that employs American men and women. It's what keeps our economy going

to a certain extent, i agree with you


however, the big businesses are using people like you to hide thier corruption.

Enron employed lots of people.

Do you defend them?

John mccain does

[edit on 8/1/2008 by Andrew E. Wiggin]

reply to post by BlueTriangle


He could send me a 20,000.00 check and I still wouldn't vote for him.

Originally posted by MagicaRose
reply to post by BlueTriangle

 

He could send me a 20,000.00 check and I still wouldn't vote for him.

.....we know

He could give you everything you ask for in a politician, and you'd just shift gears and invent new requirements.

Your past posts prove this.

But thanks for the input.

Originally posted by MagicaRose
He could send me a 20,000.00 check and I still wouldn't vote for him.

Well, everybody has their price. For $20k...I would vote for him. That's if he could prove that the $20k isn't coming right out of my pocket and being returned to me. That seems to be what this stimulus is going to be.

Going back to the OP, this not about bashing Obama even when its proposal will ring like sweet music on the fed up American tax payer citizens struggling with everyday expenses and high gas prices.

But the truth is that is going to be nothing more than a dream, a promises among many broken promises that our for the people elected but corporate chosen politiciansdo.

At the end they will answer to their supreme leaders and will do their bidding, leaving the hard working Americans again to pick up the pieces as with the enron mess and the housing bubble.

This is the America of today, get use to it.

reply to post by Andrew E. Wiggin


Andrew,

Has there ever been another time in U.S. history where the government ordered private industry to jump-start the economy?

You know, while he's at it, perhaps he could order "Big Oil" to bail out Starbucks as well. I'm sure they'd appreciate it.

Your boy is going to have to stop campaigning for a bit and write a piece of legislation and then get it pushed through the house. I don't think there's enough time between all the concerts, I mean campaign stops.

It's not like he's the sitting president and can just will this to happen.

I do find it interesting that he in essence is using the Bush tactic of economic stimulation. hmmmmmmm

Becker

reply to post by Andrew E. Wiggin


Yes , I defend Enron because a lot of American people made money working for them that enabled them to support their family for a certain time period.. I don't agree with the way the company screwed the workers out of their stocks and pension. However, I blame the government more. A lot of people got rich off Enron, probably even Congressmen from both sides, before they went belly up. There is no way in hell the government didn't know that Enron was just a fraud. There is just too much government bureaucracy for them to get away with what they did.

By the way look me up on page 1 I responded to your post about who really pays for that 1000 dollars you want.

UnfreakingConstitutional.


Nothing more needs to be said.


Obama has no authority to do any of this.

If he is elected (and I am definitely not a McCain supporter), we are all FUBAR'd.

[edit on 1-8-2008 by slackerwire]

Windfalls Profit Stimulus Check ... ala Jimmy Carter Windfalls Profit Tax

There can be no denying it .. Obama = Jimmy Carter II.

If the oil companies are forced to dole out $1,000 checks to everyone they will just turn around and re-charge us even more in order to cover the amount of the give-away.

Freak'n stupid idea. :shk:

This guy Obama is a complete fraud.

Originally posted by Andrew E. Wiggin

Originally posted by MagicaRose
reply to post by BlueTriangle

 

He could send me a 20,000.00 check and I still wouldn't vote for him.

.....we know

He could give you everything you ask for in a politician, and you'd just shift gears and invent new requirements.

Your past posts prove this.

But thanks for the input.

Andrew, that is not true.
If you are saying this about me then you are saying it to everybody that thinks there is something very strange about Obama.
BTW, Have you heard about Obama being heckled in st Pete yesterday?
It seems that people are finally seeing the light.
As far as the 1,000.00 goes I thought about it and yes, I would accept it but I still would'nt vote for him.

$1,000 to people to stimulate the ecconomy? Now what is that old saying...give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, stop stealing fish from him and he won't need you freaking "help."


Bottom line is there is no legally valid reason that the federal government needs 25%-55% of working individual's income in the form of income tax. None, zero, not one flipping penny. Feel guilty (afraid of being voted out of a gravy job) then instead of going after big oil and their record profits, dip into that massive windfall of consuption taxes on gasoline (which is more per gallon than the profit margin at any price at the pump).

So rather than give me a grand from the oil company who will in turn jump the price at the pump a bit to offset this new operation cost, how about you let me keep the $14K/year that I currently do not even get to hold to say invest in emerging alternative energy ideas to reduce dependancy for a daily fish, for example. And maybe then I might consider throwing you a vote of approval to represent my interests on a national and international level.

Until then, keep coming up with new and interesting ways for me to laugh and shake my head, because while I do not fall for all the shuck and jive it is funny listening to people that do.

Originally posted by BlueTriangle
One negative thing though...this does kind of strike me as "buying votes". It's basically Obama saying "Here's $1000. Oh by the way, I'm running for President...vote for me."

That is exactly what it is. It's a common socialist liberal tactic to gain popular with voters. Don't fall for it because this rotten scumbag SOB has no right to do it.

Originally posted by sos37
I can see the wisdom of another stimulus check, as long as it is timed correctly. It needs to go out when the market starts to show signs of sliding again and needs a boost.

I certainly won't deny the effectiveness of stimulus plans to help the economy recover but after we slide so far down the slope toward a ression the effectiveness is mittigated. Sure we'll see an econimic boost but it's only temporary. Now, as far as a second stimulus check is concerned, what happens after people spend their checks and we get that temporary little ecnomic boost and then we conitue the slide? Are we going for a third stimulus? The only way to "fix" the economy is to remove whatever factors are causing the problems...such as out of control wanton spending, especially the spending that has no return on investment.

Originally posted by Andrew E. Wiggin
Promising a $1000 dollar stimulus check at the expense of the most corrupt and profitable business in this country is no different than McCain promising a $5,000 dollar tax CREDIT (not refund!) to "create" a UHC plan.
You offer things to buy votes.

The most corrupt and profitable business in the country is not Exxon nor is it any oil company. It is the current United States Congress controled by the very liberals you bow down to and worship every morning, noon, and night.

It'll give the same butterfly effect as what Bush did. It'll make the dollar's value smaller and smaller. Since there is more money made out of nothing put into circulation. It will eventually become completly worthless until a new currency is made. Which there is already a new currency that is being already made, as we speak. Are you ready? The government will introduce the Amero once North America will become one. When all the unions are formed from all over the world. All the unions will merge together in one big union, one currency, one government.

Alright so that was a bit off topic but there is a action that leads to a reaction and another, and another and so on.

Please dont believe the lies of big oil. they tell you all this profit goes to finding and developing new fields and innovations. They have been saying this for decades, has the price of oil fallen? It hasnt and never will.
They dont care about your pockets once they are empty.
Anyways with this bonus, a good part of it will go back to them as oil sales.

I see that he is not above buying his votes from the down trodden masses.

How can the republicans win
moneyback
change you can believe in
end to Iraq

Vs
Mccain's

war more war
Bomb bomb bomb Iran
Bush 2 on steroids

Oracle
you are so wise
can not believe my eyes
a baby in Iraq cries
in it's mother's arms, she sighs
while oil companies tell lies
look down from ivory and despise
as Bush on his people spies
Elites see what blood money buys
oracle you are so wise

Originally posted by Andrew E. Wiggin

The first part of Obama’s plan is an emergency energy rebate ($500 to individual workers, $1,000 to families) as soon as this fall.[/url]

Now that's what I'm talking about. Start coughing up more cash Uncle Sammy. Why don't you just make it $100,000 though.

Now it's McCains turn to promise $2,000. Let's up the ante.

[edit on 3-8-2008 by In nothing we trust]

Ok i must've missed something, like when did Obama gain the authority to hand out stimulus checks.

He says the money is going to come from these windfall profits. Yet it's going to take five years for the companies to repay the money through these windfall taxes, so where's the money coming from now? It's coming from us, from the money they've already stolen from us through taxes, just like the 1st stimulus checks !

They can give me back all of my money, of course i'm gonna take it, who wouldn't it was mine to begin with. Honestly that $500 that he's talking about won't really help me do a thing. It's not just the price of gas, it's the price of everything. The price of gas has caused the price of everything else to rise with it.

The fact that i lost my job several months ago due to downsizing caused by this rotten economy doesn't help matters much. And yes i did read the article and see where he says he's going to implement something to help save jobs, but that's too little too late for some of us. Quite frankly i'll believe it when i see it.

He can sit there and pretend that he knows how these fuel prices, and our economy in general are effecting the average person, but he doesn't have a clue. I'm sorry but a man that says that he spends hundreds of dollars on sleepovers for his children, has no idea what many Americans are going through. The price of gas being over $4 a gallon isn't making a dent in his pocket, but there are those of us that are drowning with no life raft in sight.

He can keep that money, although i'm not going to refuse it if offered. However i won't be bribed to vote for a man that i don't think has the qualifications to be the next president of America. Especially a man that is using the present state of our economy to take the opportunity to attempt to bribe us with our own money.

Here's an idea, how bout Obama and all the rest of them voluntarily take a pay cut. We all know that the majority of the politicians don't do anything to justify the exorbitantly high salaries they receive anyway.