water on mars-nasa confirms it

Yep as of an hour ago it was on the front page of yahoo.com


news.yahoo.com...

Originally posted by Misfit
I am not trying to cross-thread, but ..........

Huh?

I thought this was a couple/few months ago? Not speculation, but confirmation from NASA that water was indeed found?

Anyone else?

Should I pack my bags and go to that timeline thread? I do admit that I adamantly remember Billy Graham dying. And I sure as hell remember the NASA/Mars/water disclosure.

Yup head for the timeline thread and RUN before it disappears...

Front page of yahoo I guess that's important...

OR

you can just watch it at the source



NASA Spacecraft Confirms Martian Water, Mission Extended
Phoenix Mission Site
phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu...

But I wonder when people will stop thinking NASA is the ONLY game in town? Clementine a US NAVY satellite proved water in 1994 on the Moon ... a 'lake' 100 sq kilometers by 50 feet thick of water ice released in a Pentagon press release in 1996...

And ESA had this...
Water ice in crater at Martian north pole



28 July 2005 THREE YEARS AGO

www.esa.int...

I am going to join you in that time line thread because I KNOW I posted that in MANY threads on Mars

:shk:

[edit on 31-7-2008 by zorgon]

[edit on 31-7-2008 by zorgon]

Well,I did'nt mean to pee on your parade Zorgon.I just reported what I heard on the news and since no one else had written anything and it seemed tobe a very important event I decided to post.Seems like evreybody on this thread has lots of previous knowledge on Mars and water so don't shoot the messenger and I prefer my Mars bars deepfried in Glasgae (I'm sure theres a film title in those last few words)

Good stuff!

Hopefully Kuato can help Douglas Quaid locate the Pyramid Mines andrestore a breathable atmosphere on mars.....'open your mind'

Originally posted by Komodo
what part of ice caps don't they understand !! ? freaking DUH !!!!!!!!

So it takes NASA to tell us that?? WT*!!!! ??

True. But the find is more significant than that. Look at the first sentence in the article.

TUCSON, Ariz. -- Laboratory tests aboard NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander have identified water in a soil sample. The lander's robotic arm delivered the sample Wednesday to an instrument that identifies vapors produced by the heating of samples.

The water was identified in a soil sample. That's more significant than finding it in the polar caps out in the open. This means the water is in the soil, which could extend downward for miles. The soil shields the water from external influences like light, cosmic rays, etc. The potential for finding microorganism life on Mars is good. That would be a significant find in itself.

hmm.. i thought NASA have already confirmed the existence of martian water, about two months ago, after the result of the testing of the "white" substance they found underneath a thin layer of soil?

EDIT:
ok. now i get it. they tested the soil itself for more evidence of water and for assurance, right?

[edit on 8/1/08 by VincentValentine]

Some people are getting confused. They had known about the ice for some time but that in itself was not proof because there was always speculation of what the ice consisted of because you don't always need water for there to be ice.

Ofcourse there has been assumptions for some time now that it is water ice but only now can we say for certain. This is big news.

Originally posted by candyfloss
Well,I did'nt mean to pee on your parade Zorgon.I just reported what I heard on the news and since no one else had written anything and it seemed tobe a very important event I decided to post.Seems like evreybody on this thread has lots of previous knowledge on Mars and water so don't shoot the messenger and I prefer my Mars bars deepfried in Glasgae (I'm sure theres a film title in those last few words)

lol, that zorgon is a right nut, as for water on mars..... who cares, let's go back to the moon first, while the house prices are still rock bottom up there.

Here's another link!

news.bbc.co.uk...

Cheers,

reply to post by spitefulgod


The point zorgon was making is that nasa is not the only source for this information. That would be like getting all your news from fox, Not knowing there are many other news sources out there.

Sorry zorgon, i know you are very well capable of defending yourself. Just makes me mad when people don't understand what they read or maybe they do not read it at all. Selective reading i guess. It is just as bad as people who do not read through the whole thread and offer some silly explanation after it had been debunked or verified many times over.

Originally posted by Komodo
what part of ice caps don't they understand !! ? freaking DUH !!!!!!!!

So it takes NASA to tell us that?? WT*!!!! ??

because the Martian ice caps are made of frozen carbon dioxide - not water.

what Phoenix has found is water ice *beneath* the soil of mars.

Originally posted by VincentValentine
hmm.. i thought NASA have already confirmed the existence of martian water, about two months ago, after the result of the testing of the "white" substance they found underneath a thin layer of soil?

EDIT:
ok. now i get it. they tested the soil itself for more evidence of water and for assurance, right?

[edit on 8/1/08 by VincentValentine]

yes- thats correct. this is the first time a probe has actually touched water ice on mars and physically examined it close up.

but whats more important about this is that the water ice was BELOW the soil. and soil is good protection against cosmic rays and radiation from the sun.

considering the soil sample was taken at the pole, its likely that water ice would melt at the equator during the summer... and if you have water plus soil protection you might have life.

So does it take millions of dollars to find that out that the white patch they have in those Mars pictures since the 70s was water after all. So did that Total Recal film get it right in the end, Mars does have water after all?

Why did they not land on that white patch aswell?

Originally posted by netron

because the Martian ice caps are made of frozen carbon dioxide - not water.

Incorrect.

Spectroscopic studies of both the north and south polar caps show they contain water ice.

What happens is during winter it becomes so cold (below -120 c) that CO2 freezes out of the atmosphere creating a carbon dioxide frost which lies upon the water ice like a blanket.
The CO2 frost can be several meters thick,and in winter creates the appearance of the polar caps extending towards lower latitudes.

Springtime and the CO2 sublimes,making the warmer poles ice cap recede,exposing the water ice.The springtime sublimation creates a net flow of CO2 through the atmosphere to the opposite pole,where the process begins again.

Pheonix discovering water ice under martian soil is not suprising,but more significant than polar water ice alone.

[edit on 1-8-2008 by Sheeper]

Ha ha never been there but I knew it all along. Now to get some astronuats there to set up a colony finally. Once we do this we can do some excavation and maybe find some fossils or the reason why mars is a dead planet now. I think a few billion years ago mars was flourishing with life, and oceans. (speculation) Who knows though until we get on the ground and start to dig.

Originally posted by The time lord
So does it take millions of dollars to find that out that the white patch they have in those Mars pictures since the 70s was water after all. So did that Total Recal film get it right in the end, Mars does have water after all?

Why did they not land on that white patch aswell?

First, landing on a slippery sheet of ice is probably far more tricky than landing on soil. Then there's a question of stability. What happens if your landing cracked the ice? What if it made the ice patch unstable and cracked later on? A crack in the ice 25-30 feet wide would probably be enough to swallow the lander completely if not partially. I think it would be a big gamble.

blaah.

silly expirements and propaganda.

I thought one Martian ice cap was mostly water ice? And the other CO2.... not both of them.

Originally posted by GrayFox
I thought one Martian ice cap was mostly water ice? And the other CO2.... not both of them.

During summertime spectroscopic studies of the northern pole,the data provided evidence of water ice.

It is correct that water ice is not visible on the souther polar cap,as it retains a greater covering of CO2 frost.It is suspected,to a high level of certainty that there is water ice under the permanent CO2 layer there.