School To Put Students In 'Prison Jumpsuits' As Punishment

Originally posted by InSanE1
After all, during high school they are still teenagers. They should be allowed to enjoy those freedoms while they still can.

Uhmm...... highschoolers living off of mommy and daddy deserve no freedoms!! They need to be taught cause and effect. You act like a punk, you should be treated like a punk.

Freedom comes to those who are responsible for taking care of their own life and accepting responsibility.

That's the problem w/ society is we are turning out a bunch of punks who feel entitled just because they are alive.

reply to post by justamomma


Umm ok so you want them to try and go live on their own, making 7 bucks an hour?

I find it highly offensive that this is what society thinks of us teenagers now.

You know just because a kid gets to dress how he wants doesn't mean he's gonna go shoot up the school.

Yea sure alot of the teenagers are "punks" (I am one), but maybe were like this because you people decided that it would be better for us to be treated like PRISONERS!

Take a ride down E55th in Cleveland after school lets out at South High.
They need 3 cop cars on the street to keep the peace.
Thug life baggies is rampant. I don't want to see anyones underwear. Suit them up if they come in in colors or baggies.

I work with kids. We are just a bit off topic here because what I'm about to say is not actually relevant to using jumpsuits as punishment, but ...

A lot of kids who have to wear uniforms come out WAY better off because the uniforms eliminate social and economic class distinctions and keep all the lower income kids from getting picked on because they can't afford Nikes or South Pole or whatever the latest $100 a pop item of clothing is. I have personally met teenagers who were ashamed - or afraid - to go to school because they didn't have the "right" clothes. Now THAT is BS in my book.

Sure, freedom of clothing (that's not in the constitution, is it?) allows the rich kids to show off and be even more obnoxious than most of them normally are, and allows the weird nonconformist kids to be even weirder, but I don't necessarily think either is a good thing.

No, kids don't get paid for going to school, at least not directly. But let me remind you that MY property tax dollars pay for YOUR kids to go to school (I don't have any kids) and I would like to see them held to some standard of accountability. And school is not intended to prepare you for life, it is intended to prepare you for WORK. Approx. eight hours a day you have to go there, follow someone else's rules, do what someone else thinks you should be doing, do things you don't WANT to do, and try to stay out of trouble. Doesn't that sound like WORK?

It's 7 or 8 hours a day, five days a week, just like a job. What's wrong with asking them to adhere to a dress code during that time? They still have their 'freedom of attire' the rest of the time, just like all us working stiffs.

Originally posted by theendisnear69
reply to post by justamomma

 

Umm ok so you want them to try and go live on their own, making 7 bucks an hour?

No, now where the hell did you see me say that? But if you (assuming you are a teenager by your following statement) don't want to follow rules, then sure, get your arse out of mommy and daddy's home and work so that you can have the right to have say so in your life.

I find it highly offensive that this is what society thinks of us teenagers now.

I don't think all teenagers are spoiled brats. I know some very well spoken, intelligent, grateful children.....

But the majority are overdue a good spanking on the rear end.

You know just because a kid gets to dress how he wants doesn't mean he's gonna go shoot up the school.

Noone implied that, but a teenage girl should not be able to walk into a school dressed in something that is purposely meant to draw attention to certain areas.

Boys are already dressing "prisonish" so I am not sure what their problem would be wearing this.

Yea sure alot of the teenagers are "punks" (I am one), but maybe were like this because you people decided that it would be better for us to be treated like PRISONERS!

HEY!!! Watch your mouth and learn respect for your elders!!! You have to earn respect and some of us have been working on earning ours much longer than you!! you are not entitled to respect just because you were born. You are right. YOu sound like a punk.

My 5yr old and 7 yr old deserve more respect than you! They say yes maam and no maam. They do what they are told most of the time and are aware there are consequences when they step out of line. They will be the ones picking up the slack for you and your punkish friends one day.

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Well the public schools is the best place to start getting the new generations used to what it will be like to be in concentration camps when the times comes and the nations population has to be dealt with under the new homegrown terrorism bill that is waiting in congress to be passed.

Welcome to fascist America.

Originally posted by marg6043
Well the public schools is the best place to start getting the new generations used to what it will be like to be in concentration camps when the times comes and the nations population has to be dealt with under the new homegrown terrorism bill that is waiting in congress to be passed.

Welcome to fascist America.

While I don't completely disagree w/ this statement, I don't think the issue is the dress code (at least not the issue we should be so upset with).

It is the socialist idealogy that is being pumped into our kids that we should be more concerned with.

Dress code is hardly deserving of our time when what they are teaching them is that we are property of our federal gov't and how to be nice little slaves. What the kids are told to put on their bodies (especially since it is not like it will be permenantly adorned onto their bodies such as a chip or tattoo of some sort) is hardly as important as what they are putting in their heads.

reply to post by justamomma


If the schools spend their time enforcing uniforms this problems with dress codes will never become an issue but only on a few during the school year.

Taking into consideration that the drop out rates in our schools are very well hidden by our state level elected officials this will only add more pain to the injury of how deficient and poor our educational system really is.

I was a teacher for 9 years, in America we have one of the worst educational systems around.

Originally posted by marg6043

I was a teacher for 9 years, in America we have one of the worst educational systems around.

No doubt about this!!

I am not 100% for the idea of dressing them in prison uniforms, but with what they are teaching them, the parents accepting and being apathetic about the teachings, hell, why not get 'em used to it.

If ya don't like it, pull your kids out and educate them yourself. My kids attend school, however, I teach them to think about what they are being taught. I mainly have them in there for things such as math that I just am not too bright in.

Once they learn basics, they will be back at home so that I can teach them what they REALLY need to know in life.

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Mine attended DOD schools for most of their grade school, but them I had not choice but have them in public schools and that is when the nightmare started.

I fought the school system for all the reminding years my kids were attending public schools.

reply to post by marg6043


Yeah, usually in the morning you see the principal with a walkie talkie at the entrance looking at every student checking for ID and making sure they are dressed appropriately.

O yeah besides that they even do that during lunch time when students head to the cafeteria. Make sure they have their ID or they won't be able to go eat.

reply to post by deltaboy


I was on one high school for one month that they had metal detectors and while I was helping a student in a classroom one of the students got in fist fight with the teacher in front of me.

That day was my last day in that school.

Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by deltaboy

 

I was on one high school for one month that they had metal detectors and while I was helping a student in a classroom one of the students got in fist fight with the teacher in front of me.

That day was my last day in that school.

Just curious, but you were a teacher right? Do you mind answering if it was here in America and what you taught?

reply to post by justamomma


Yes, I started as a translator for Spanish speaking students so I had to travel from school to school on the same district daily for 3 years.

Then for the last 6 years I taught Spanish to gifted and regular curriculum in the school system I did all grades, elementary, middle and high school.

If school systems would Pay teachers a fair salary, attract good teachers that are more than just glorified babysitters, teachers that are allowed to
teach and not be a slave to the administration and the parents;

Perhaps there would be a respect for education. The kids might even be
interested in learning something.

Instead teachers are paid less than a garbage man. What do you expect?
Slavish obedience to teachers that don't really want to be there and an administration that is usually drunk with power and loves to make up silly rules rather than educate.

I used to be a teacher. I saw what was going on and wanted no part of a system that is corrupt, dysfunctional and ultimately destructive to the students they are supposed to prepare for life in society.

Is it any wonder they want to dress unruly students in prison garb. They are basically prisoners of a stupid system anyway.

If I had kids I would rather homeschool them and never let them even close to a public school; unless I lived in Chevy Chase, the Hamptons or Scottsdale, Vail or Aspen.






[edit on 30-7-2008 by whaaa]

Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by justamomma

 

Yes, I started as a translator for Spanish speaking students so I had to travel from school to school on the same district daily for 3 years.

Then for the last 6 years I taught Spanish to gifted and regular curriculum in the school system I did all grades, elementary, middle and high school.

Cool. Thanks for answering. How did the children treat you as a teacher?

See, I don't have a major problem w/ the dress code. Then again, this is not my children's school. If it were my children, then I would probably say something since I have taught my children to respect their elders and they dress appropriately and will continue to do so for whatever enviroment they are in.

My main problem is the overall picture with how we are dealing with children. We teach them to feel entitled and then subdue them. This is the reason we have so many confused and angry kids.

I don't believe in squashing the spirit of children, but I do believe in shaping up their "wills". I don't see this being a problem though that the schools should handle and should rather be left to the discretion of the parents. But since most parents willingly allow the schools to do the majority of the raising, I am not sure they have the right to interfere with how the schools are doing it.

Once parents in this country decide to take the responsibility in teaching their children responsibility and respect, then maybe we will see less of this brainwashing going on the schools, whether it is through the teachings and/or through the "dress codes."

There is an underlying issue here that is more in need of being addressed than an individual school requiring teens to wear jumpsuits, IMHO.

[edit on 30-7-2008 by justamomma]

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Actually I was one of the favorite teachers, I guess because learning Spanish was not such a boring subject as regular classes are to them.

While high schoolers were more intimidating as you have to watch how you speak to them specially the boys most of the trouble were in the middle school.

It seems that in middle school the children have trouble with controlling emotions.

But still I enjoyed been around the children.

"FORCE"? what are they going to rape the kid by taking his clothes off,holding him down and forcing it on? Are they going to destroy the kids dignity by holding him down and putting it over his other clothes? I never got in much trouble in school, but I can tell you right now, and iv always had this attitude, I don't care if 'rules' were broken or not. Nobody is going to force me to wear some *Snip* jumpsuit AT SCHOOL FFS. I would bite, kick, punch , stab, whatever i had to do, and by the off chance they actually did get it on me(They would have to hold it down and force it...) I would just take it back off, *Snip*


I can see many parents raging over this, I can also see the school being firebombed very easily by an angry kid or parent.

[edit on 30-7-2008 by Raverous]


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reply to post by Raverous


Uhh.. dude.. did you, like, bother to read the thread at all?

If you come to school in violation of the dress code, they send you home and call your parents. Your parents can then choose to bring you appropriate clothing. If they can't or won't, then you either put on the jumpsuit or get sent home, and your parents have to ESCORT you back to school.

Nobody's physically forcing anyone to do anything, but if you don't put on the jumpsuit you don't get to stay at school. Simple.

And your overreaction and inappropriate language was uncalled for.