Obama is Constitutionally ineligible to be President

Originally posted by Andrew E. Wiggin

You're being sarcastic right?

Why should Obama? Should Obama's seat on the Illinois senate, and the United States senate not be proof enough?
Do you really think if he was not eligible to be president, that the GOP would not have jumped on this earlier?

All you "obama is not a citizen" nuts still cannot answer those simple questions.

Its funny, though. No no. Really

You dont need to be born here to be in the Senate...

No person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty Years, and been nine Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State for which he shall be chosen.

You DO need to be born here to be president

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

So for you to say he doesnt need to prove he is born here is disgusting. Why dont we let Vladimir Putin come over and be president while your at it.

Originally posted by BlueTriangle
Regardless, back to the topic. I am suspicious about the birth certificate. I don't know if it's real or not...I don't know if he's a natural born citizen or not. There are numerous other reasons why I could never vote for Barack Obama, so this isn't a decisive issue for me anyways. I still think he should man up and present the proof. He's supposed to stand for "hope and change", right? Not, "hope, change, & doubt."

There's nothing wrong with being suspicious.

But you're holding up a moving goal post, and demanding that he's not a citizen if he doesn't cater to your grotesque requests.

Lets pretend that ATS had a strict "18 years or only" policy.

Would you be willing to submit a social security card and tax records to the 3 wise men so that you can have membership?

Originally posted by Andrew E. Wiggin


Would you be willing to submit a social security card and tax records to the 3 wise men so that you can have membership?

There is a difference between running the world and being an ATS member. The rhetoric you spout is disgusting but its not surprising from people who enjoy the 2 party dictatorship that we currently live in. Heir Obama.

reply to post by Andrew E. Wiggin


yeah because being a member on ATS is right up there with being president of the united states.

you obamas witnesses drive me nuts you know that?

reply to post by TheRepublic


Yes, there's a difference.

But the premise is the same.

Its proven that Obama is a citizen.

The question is rather or not his CoB is fake..........

Let me just play by your rules for one second:


Even if there's something fake about the CoB or something suspicious

isnt the fact that he IS a citizen good enough?

What could he be hiding?

Maybe his certificate number is 666 666 666 666 666 666

Maybe his middle name is actually Lucifer

Maybe he's not really black?

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its proven because someone released a copy of his forged certificate?
no thanks, i want to see the real thing looked at by the experts. im not going to just take his word for it. or the word of his disciples. never trust people in politics. never.

Originally posted by Andrew E. Wiggin
But you're holding up a moving goal post, and demanding that he's not a citizen if he doesn't cater to your grotesque requests.

My goal post is set in concrete. Man up and present the evidence, that's what I want. Is it really considered grotesque nowadays to expect a legal birth certificate for an office that requires it?

Originally posted by Andrew E. Wiggin
Would you be willing to submit a social security card and tax records to the 3 wise men so that you can have membership?

Talk about moving goal posts, LOL. Your goal posts are on a plane heading for Reno.

I probably wouldn't comply, because it's not worth all of the effort to post here so that I can constantly be called derogatory names by members like you. Also, tax records aren't required for proof of age...usually it's a birth certificate and picture ID. That's what I needed to go to Canada last year when I went anyways. If I decided it was worth the effort, I'd surely scan my birth certificate and send it their way. It would only take five minutes and it would remove all doubt that I was under 18.

reply to post by mybigunit

So for you to say he doesnt need to prove he is born here is disgusting. Why dont we let Vladimir Putin come over and be president while your at it.

Im saying he doesnt need to prove it to YOU.

No. You dont need to be a natural-born citizen to be in the Senate. Did i ever say otherwise?

But - again ill ask this question, and hopefully some of the whacko-right wingers can answer it this time:

If Barack Obama has been an Illinois senator. If Barack Obama has been a U.S. senator. And if Barack Obama is running for president, don't you think if he was not eligible for candidacy, the GOP would have found out by now?

Don't you think the GOP would attack him on that front?
Don't you think we'd hear more about it than from cowards named "techguy" who's credibility is so frail he cant' even reveal his own real name?

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No the fact that he is a citizen is NOT good enough. You need to be BORN here. Anyone can come here and be a citizen you need to be BORN here for a reason. Your logic is flawed and really needs to be redressed because if we lived by your rules anyone in the world can come over here become a citizen and be president.

BTW let it be known Im not saying he is not a citizen. But if is in question he does need to prove it. Sorry hes not signing up to flip burgers.

Originally posted by TheRepublic
reply to post by Andrew E. Wiggin

 

its proven because someone released a copy of his forged certificate?
no thanks, i want to see the real thing looked at by the experts. im not going to just take his word for it. or the word of his disciples. never trust people in politics. never.

Prove that its fake.

reply to post by mybigunit


I see.

So whats next, after he produces his B.C.?

Does he have to prove how much money he made?

Does he have to prove that he's really a Christian?
Does he have to prove that he's really married?

Does he have to prove that his children are his own?




You're still avoiding the question.

I believe that you should look to your own party for the answer about rather or not he's really a citizen.

If he wasnt. I have faith in the foaming-at-the-mouth republicans, that they'd have figured it out long before 'internet detectives' ever could.

reply to post by Andrew E. Wiggin


This is my point. They are looking into it now. It has never come up before because no one is saying Obama is not a citizen. They are saying he wasnt born here. That is the difference. Ill repeat this again. You dont have to be born here to be a citizen. For the senate you just need to be a citizen which no one is contending. The contention is if he was born here which IS being brought up now and should be. You are getting mad because it is being brought up.

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the GOP dosnt do anything for the same reason the damn democrats dont impeach bush for war crimes.

THEY ARE ALL ON THE SAME SIDE.

that and mccain wasnt even born in the US, so that would make things a mess real quick.

until you comprehend that globalists are running our country discussing politics with you will be like conversing with a brick wall.

Originally posted by Andrew E. Wiggin
reply to post by mybigunit

 

I see.

So whats next, after he produces his B.C.?

Does he have to prove how much money he made?

Does he have to prove that he's really a Christian?
Does he have to prove that he's really married?

Does he have to prove that his children are his own?

You're still avoiding the question.

I believe that you should look to your own party for the answer about rather or not he's really a citizen.

If he wasnt. I have faith in the foaming-at-the-mouth republicans, that they'd have figured it out long before 'internet detectives' ever could.

What question am I avoiding? And which party am I in? Im not a republican or a democrat. Im a libertarian as I stated above it is YOU who are voting into this 2 party dictatorship. It makes no difference WHO you vote for McCain or Obama they are both the same and people like you will never realize this and then you complain cause our country is in the crapper. Im just stating what the constitution says. Im not taking sides in this at all in fact I posted above that I dont know if he was born here or not. Im saying he needs to prove it.

Originally posted by TheRepublic
reply to post by Andrew E. Wiggin

 

the GOP dosnt do anything for the same reason the damn democrats dont impeach bush for war crimes.

THEY ARE ALL ON THE SAME SIDE.

that and mccain wasnt even born in the US, so that would make things a mess real quick.

until you comprehend that globalists are running our country discussing politics with you will be like conversing with a brick wall.

Actually - last i heard, the politicians are all controlled by Bohemian Reptilians from the planet alpha-zeblar prime in the omega quadrant. :shk:

So you're telling me that the GOP doesnt mind loosing to someone they can easily defeat with "proof" that he's not a citizen?


And you call my logic flawed.

Your logic leaves out the single most universal characteristic in all of the human race: Greed.

The republicans would rather win the election than hand it over to the democrats. It doesnt take a genius to see that.


Talking to a brick wall?

I'd rather talk to a brick wall, than listen to a skipped record.

This post has gotten enough attention.

Until you can prove that his COB is fake (and nobody has, thus far) then your arguments are farce.

Have fun with that

that and mccain wasnt even born in the US, so that would make things a mess real quick.

McCain is a natural born as well.

Your common sense is flawed.

I believe we've had this discussion before?

[edit on 7/30/2008 by Andrew E. Wiggin]

Originally posted by BlueTriangle
I'll give that one to you. It says this on the page "he is an active member of....

Well what if I said that I'm an active member of The American Kennel Club, The National Association of Dog Obedience Instructors and I'm on the board of The Associations of Pet Behavior Counselors, have studied under Ian Dunbar and Jean Donaldson, have my Master's Degree in Psychology and Bachelor's in Canine Behavior. I have been a member of the American Protection and Patrol Dog Association since 1993 and I've been a certified Working Dog Trainer for Personal Protection, Schutzhund and Police Service Dogs since 1982.

Would you believe me? Because I know what I'm doing. Sounds pretty impressive, right? But none of it's true.

The one part of your statement that gets under my skin is "Did they show their birth certificate?"

Sorry, you're right. Did they show their credentials? Or do you just believe it because you read it?

Every time someone like you or Mr. Wiggins posts requests for birth cerficates of people when they aren't needed it strikes me as a deflection attempt.

I'll appreciate you holding me responsible for my statements or questions, but not someone else's. Thanks.

Are you guys that scared of discussing the topic?

Clearly not.

*I* want to see it.

Then contact his campaign. No one here has it.

I do not care to see it. Here's why (think carefully about these):
1. I trust that his credentials have been checked by the proper authorities.
2. If Obama wanted to forge a birth Certificate, he has access to the best in the country. In the world!
3. If there is ANY question about his qualifications for POTUS, I feel CERTAIN that Hillary Clinton and John McCain have thoroughly had them checked, rechecked and checked again.
4. If Obama is a tool of the New World Order, there's NO WAY in hell seeing his birth certificate is going to make a difference.
5. If I were holding the thing in my hand, I couldn't tell you whether it's real or not. COULD YOU?

If he's the golden boy you seem to be making him out to be...

I do not make him out to be a golden boy. You are assuming that.

Certainly you're not afraid that it really is a forgery?

No, I'm not afraid. I don't know if the certificate on his website has been edited or not, but I believe the information on it is true. I think, IF it's been edited, it's to prevent disclosure of some non-related information, like the legal marital status of his parents or something inconsequential, that is none of anyone's business.

Now that I've answered your questions, I would appreciate it if you would answer mine.

Have you seen these forensic qualifications?
So you believe that these people are experts?
How can they validate or invalidate a document on line?
Do you know whether or not he has shown a valid, physical copy of his birth certificate to the State Department?
If you were holding it in your hand, could you tell if it were real?

And then I am done with this thread. This is the third birth certificate thread after the moderators said there would be no more.

Andrew, I suggest you consider pulling out of this, too. There is no logic here and we are supporting this nonsense as much as anyone.

[edit on 30-7-2008 by Benevolent Heretic]

reply to post by Andrew E. Wiggin


good god man, youre forgetting about greed, the greed of global corporations to control american politics.
i cant even talk to you. you know reptillians arnt real but globalism DOES exist. you know what its not even worth wasting my time responding to you.

have fun with your little barak cult denying reality and drinking your kool aid spreading the "good word" about "the chosen one" when he acts like every other globalist politicain in existance and turns this country into a complete s---thole dont come bitchin to me.

and mccain was born in panama idiot look at his wiki page toolbag.

[edit on 30-7-2008 by TheRepublic]

reply to post by Andrew E. Wiggin


"grotesque requests" ????



Asking for proof of citizenship on a PRESIDENTIAL candidate that may not have been born in the US is a "grotesque request"??????? WTH?

The rhetoric you choose to spew is laughable at best.

You can not compare our ATS membership to running for president. well I guess you can but its like comparing an apple to a snail...

What I find really sad, is most OBAMa-Aid drinkers wouldn't care if it is proved he was born in Kenya. They would throw out the Constitution, and try to elect him anyway!!!

Originally posted by TheRepublic

bush, mccain, and obama probably have toilet paper withe the articals of the constitution printed on it in their homes...

If your not going to copyright this, I feel my first big govt. contract coming on.....

Andrew E. Wiggin and Benevolent Heretic. I don't have enough post to send you a U2U and I have to head to a class. Can you please check this out. It seems to prove that Obama was born in America and is in fact a US Citizen.

Cheers,

Apparently Lori Starfelt a Clinton supporter was doing some digging around and came up with this...

www.yestodemocracy.com...