The Questions U.F.O. skeptics can't answer

Originally posted by riggs2099
reply to post by polomontana

 

You have been owned. You need to accept this, if your own expert said something about there being another possibility than obviously there is. No more from you... Skeptics need a challenge and not by someone who gives us experts that refute his own conclusions, not only that but experts he relies on..lol
[edit on 29-7-2008 by riggs2099]

BS, Dr. Lier, never refuted his own conclusions. It was proven that the implants had materials not found on earth. (Extraterrestrial) These people who had the implants removed had credible stories of being taken by aliens and implanted backing up the claim that these implants are indeed of alien origin.

You have absoultely zero proof of your above statment and there is more evidence weighing in from our end of the court because we have implants removed, FACT materials found not of this world, unexplainably these implants were linked to the nervous sytem and we have eye witness abduction testimony linking aliens to the implants.

SO FAR YOUR LOSING!

[edit on 29-7-2008 by Malevolent_Aliens]

reply to post by thrashee


Who asked for skeptics to believe me?

Who said I was proving anything to skeptics.

You have turned logic and reason on it's head.

You ask for evidence and then in a matter of minutes you deem it unsound?

You offer nothing but opinion.

Do you think anyone reading this thinks you looked at the issue at all?

You made up your mind before you hit the link to the video.

When you want to debate then bring some evidence to the table.

Originally posted by riggs2099
reply to post by re22666

 

Are you claiming to be more intelligent than skeptics? You do know that there is more than enough proof that atoms and oxygen exist than there are that aliens are here. And if your talking about ufo's than yes they do exist but no proof they are alien controlled only theory.
Time to get off your high horse and maybe open your mind to the possibilty that there are things that may exist and also they may not.


[edit on 27-7-2008 by riggs2099]

i never claimed that i was more intelligent than anyone. i am simply pointing out that although you say there is more than enough proof, where is it? what proof? i havent seen it, have you personally? You, nor I have seen any more proof of atoms than ufo's and for skeptics to believe things they themselves have seen no proof of actually existing and then just say without a doubt aliens do NOT exists and they know it is rediculous. your defensiveness and assumption that i claim more intelligence demonstrates clearly that your mind is closed and combat is all you welcome. that is fine. you believe what you like, i will have a slightly more open mind.

Originally posted by Malevolent_Aliens

Originally posted by riggs2099
reply to post by polomontana

 

You have been owned. You need to accept this, if your own expert said something about there being another possibility than obviously there is. No more from you... Skeptics need a challenge and not by someone who gives us experts that refute his own conclusions, not only that but experts he relies on..lol
[edit on 29-7-2008 by riggs2099]

BS, Dr. Lier, never refuted his own conclusions. It was proven that the implants had materials not found on earth. (Extraterrestrial) These people who had the implants removed had credible stories of being taken by aliens and implanted backing up the claim that these implants are indeed of alien origin.

You have absoultely zero proof of your above statment and there is more evidence weighing in from our end of the court because we have implants removed, FACT materials found not of this world, unexplainably these implants were linked to the nervous sytem and we have eye witness abduction testimony linking aliens to the implants.

SO FAR YOUR LOSING!

[edit on 29-7-2008 by Malevolent_Aliens]

Exactly,

He quotes a skeptics opinion about a Dr. Lier interview. Give me a break.

Thrashee makes decisions on the sound nature of evidence faster than I can cook a Hot Pocket. Does anyone actually think he's serious?

reply to post by Malevolent_Aliens

Umm meteorites are not of this earth or didn't you know that.
"the evidence indicates it is simply part of an evolving UFO mythology. Its theme of entities exerting influence over humans is one seen in many variants, ranging from ancient mythical lore to modern science fiction and persisting in some form in popular culture. There have always been individuals -- fantasizers as well as paranoid schizophrenics -- who have heard voices that directed or controlled them, voices that are expressions of hopes and fears. Therefore it seems safe to predict that, as the millennium draws near, there will be further claims of "hard evidence" of extraterrestrial visitation. We may also expect that misperceptions and exaggerations of natural phenomena, as well as hoaxes, will abound."
The statement above seems to point to what is happening.

Originally posted by polomontana


Riggs,

You keep bringing up words like fact and undeniable proof and you havn't mentioned one shred of evidence about anything.

There's tons of data to support the existence of Pluto?

Did you collect this data?

Who collected this data and why should I trust them?

Why do you trust the data?

Have you been on Pluto?

Don't tell me you are trusting other peoples testimony after you said testimony doesn't matter.

Do you see the hole of logical fallacies that you have dug with your assertions?

Riggs, you have to bring some evidence to the table.

I'm not going to stick my head in the sand while I wait for the skeptics "rational explanation" for these things.

i think that about sums it up better than i had tried to.

Originally posted by polomontana
You have turned logic and reason on it's head.

Prove it. Put your money where your mouth is. I'm tired of demonstrating by the book the fallacies in your thinking, while you make these claims with no support. Prove I'm not using logic correctly, just as I have, by using logic.

You ask for evidence and then in a matter of minutes you deem it unsound?

What does the time frame of how quickly "evidence" is refuted have to do with anything? Another fallacy.

You offer nothing but opinion.
When you want to debate then bring some evidence to the table.

I've done nothing but cite the rules of logic, reason, and the burden of proof. Try as you might to ignore these things, you just can't.

Tell you what. Since you keep making these ridiculous statements about what I'm doing in terms of this debate, then put your debate hat on and start using the rules of logic to show where I'm wrong. (I'll give you a hint: in logical thinking, you do that by using fallacies to show where the other side is reasoning unsoundly).

reply to post by riggs2099


I see Riggs is happy that he's found a skeptic source to quote from that just offers more opinion.

reply to post by re22666


Sums up that you can not have a logical debate with you guys
I mean c'mon prove atoms or pluto exists....as stated before...there is a ton of data to support these and barely any to support aliens. Of course you have an open mind...you don;t much of one to begin with and with all that open space between your ears you might as well fill it sith something.

Originally posted by SaviorComplex

Originally posted by re22666
wow, total and complete proof in the form of a wikipedia page! you did it!
how does a bunch of text about atoms PROVE that they exist? you need to clear that up or move on from me.

The point is not a Wikipedia page. The point is that we have a bomb that is powered by the splitting of an atom. And based on your ludicrous argument, no matter what I say about the atom is going to be proof enough for you, because you'll just say it's "a bunch of text."

You're hopeless.

yes because you have presented nothing more than the words of other people. have you seen this atom splitting in action? how do you know that is the true mechanism of atomic bombs? how do you really truly know. the point as stated above by others is that you never saw an atom, never held one, never observed one in anyway. you have no trouble believing that someone can split an atom causing massive explosions because of what? because they told you so. you have missed the point completely. if you think words, stories, text, even science books are any more proof of something you cannot and will not EVER see for yourself, yet you KNOW aliens do not exist? fine. count the atoms at the end of your pencil. send me a pic of them. show me someone splitting an atom. not a bomb going off, i want to see that atom and then see it split. you say there is proof of them, show it to me. send anothe text page and i will refer you to the thousands of text pages proclaiming aliens, ufos, reptillian people in the center of the earth, and the flying spaghetti monster all exist. hey, why not, i never saw any of that stuff either so sure, must be true, someone wrote it down once.

Originally posted by riggs2099
reply to post by re22666

 

Sums up that you can not have a logical debate with you guys
I mean c'mon prove atoms or pluto exists....as stated before...there is a ton of data to support these and barely any to support aliens. Of course you have an open mind...you don;t much of one to begin with and with all that open space between your ears you might as well fill it sith something

.

and as stated before, what proof? what data? who has it? did you go to pluto and witness it first hand? i didnt even think of the pluto argument but it is just as valid. show me pluto. show me the irrefutable proof that has you convinced.

i just do not understand why you can say there is solid proof of one thing you never saw just because of who said is true?
and deny another thing that you also never saw because of who said it?

[edit on 7/29/2008 by re22666]

reply to post by re22666


So you are both saying that you have personally been in contact with an alien race and have touched them. Is this what you are telling me. By your logic I have to touch or see pluto with my own eyes in order to take the data seriously, then does that not also go for aliens. For the last time to use these as an example is stupid...how many qualified people have reports on these things such as pluto or an atom..and how many qualified people do the alien believers have three or four compared to what thousands of qualified professionals. I am not taking one experts word on these but hundreds if not thousands of experts words.

[edit on 29-7-2008 by riggs2099]

[edit on 29-7-2008 by riggs2099]

reply to post by thrashee


What rules of logic are you talking about?

Are you in college? You keep bringing up these rules of logic. It sounds like something you may have heard from some Professor and you keep repeating.

Could you quote the rules of logic? Provide a source please.

It seems you missed some of the lessons about the rules of logic.

You don't come to a debate and claim you don't have to have any evidence. It sounds silly and you can get laughed out of the room for saying things like this.

You only offer opinion. No evidence to rebutt the evidence that I have presented.

You call things unsound faster than I can cook a Hot Pocket.

You seem to be wrapped up in this term rules of logic while presenting an illogical argument.

Originally posted by riggs2099
reply to post by re22666

 

So you are both saying that you have personally been in contact with an alien race and have touched them. Is this what you are telling me. By your logic I have to touch or see pluto with my own eyes in order to take the data seriously, then does that not also go for aliens.

wow. you really do not get it. i never said aliens DO exist. what i said was, and listen real close ok, YOU CANNOT SAY THAT WITHOUT A DOUBT THEY DO NOT EXIST. you cannot believe in pluto but deny the possibility of aliens when you have no proof of either thing, either way.

i did not say alines do exist
i said you are arrogant and contradict your own logic by saying that you know for a fact they do not
but alos know for a fact pluto exists

ok show me proof that they dont when you present your proof pluto does exist. i am donw bickering wth you. i explained it 3 times now, if you still dont get it, fine go derail the thread on your own. id rather talk to a complete nut about a "visitation" than some supposed skeptic with nothing but the ability to type his missunderstandings to back him up with. good day sir.

The problem here is that another red herring is being used to demonstrate how "unprovable" alien existence is. It's the classic cop out that attempts to alleviate the burden of proof by citing well-known scientific knowledge that can't subjectively be proven.

Whenever you encounter such logic, just smile to yourself and know that this is the person's defense mechanism that demonstrates how far they're willing to let reason slip for sake of protecting a belief.

reply to post by riggs2099

Umm meteorites are not of this earth or didn't you know that.

I suggest you watch the video again there was more than just meteorite found in the implants.

As for the rest of your non-sense dribble there's no real need to comment, If anyone's insane I would have to say it's you if you believe that thousands and thousands of people are being abducted worldwide all sharing the exact same delusions and experiences of being on a ship with alien beings and getting implants then somehow having implants found and removed physically from their body? Your argument is ridiculous and makes no sense.

Seek Medical Help!

reply to post by Malevolent_Aliens

Uhh why should I seek medical help I am not the one having delusions of being taken aboard an alien spacecraft and having tea with them or whatever it is you do.

reply to post by re22666


Read the other posts before you just jump into a debate. I have stated before that I am not saying they do not exist, there just is not enough evidence to support peoples claims. I am saying that people should not only look at the alien hypothesis but look at other possibilties and rule them completly before making statements that they do exist.

Originally posted by thrashee
The problem here is that another red herring is being used to demonstrate how "unprovable" alien existence is. It's the classic cop out that attempts to alleviate the burden of proof by citing well-known scientific knowledge that can't subjectively be proven.

Whenever you encounter such logic, just smile to yourself and know that this is the person's defense mechanism that demonstrates how far they're willing to let reason slip for sake of protecting a belief.

I notice you like to use the word red herring also.

But your underlying argument makes no sense.

Of course these things can be subjectively proven.

Prove these things have an objective existence.

Think about it and that's how silly you sound when asking someone to prove these things. Nobody has said they are out to prove to skeptics that these things exist.

That's another mistake.

reply to post by riggs2099

I mean c'mon prove atoms or pluto exists....as stated before...there is a ton of data to support these and barely any to support aliens.

WRONG ANSWER,

There is plenty of evidence and data out there to support alien visitation. But you see you don't know that because you have never really researched it. If you seek it, you will find it.