The Questions U.F.O. skeptics can't answer

reply to post by yeti101


if your saying that there is a possibility that they are lying, do you realize what your implying?!

that the school system allowed some idiot onto the campus, to TEACH children that its ok to LIE about aliens in order to send a message that we are harming our planet. ummm what kind of message does that send to the kids.. or are you going to tell me because they are in africa that there schooling is not as important as other countries.

little kids when placed in front of a lie detector give off way more natural truthful impulses than adults. their little hearts beating like crazy if they were trying to lie their way through it. imagine that.

im asking you to please lock this case study away in your mind cause some day these kids will grow up! and yes they will still be sticking to their story some 20 odd years later, just like the other military witnesses that saw something..

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reply to post by inthemistandfog


any shadow government or agency who is able to abduct 3.7 million (current world count) has a very large staff on hand.

i do feel they are involved in one way or another, but i think their primary focus is to keep abductees mouths closed. not to create alien hype

i can see them now at one of their shadow meets.."ok men, were gonna go out and abduct cows now, rip out there anus poke out an eye, and skin them from the jaw bone to the nose well drop them off in a field, and bring in a snow blower to cover our footsteps!! this will keep them guessing for years!"


pleeeeeease



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Mass delusions are possible...www.csicop.org... I am not saying this is what happened in afrcia with the 62 kids but it is one other viable explaination. So what I am saying is that as a skeptic I am not saying aliens aren't visiting us, its just there is not enough data to back it up. Sure they could be visiting us but than again something else entirely could be happening. Why do you believer except high ranking officials word when it comes to declaring that it does exist but will disregard another high ranking official when he states it is not happening? ANSWER THAT ONE. As for polo you get no more replys to your statements, your not too bright and refuse to read what others have to say and will continue to give us the same argument you always do, saying here is the undeniable proof when all it is saying is that aliens are one of the possibilities not the only one.

i havent come across any military that say they dont exist. (im sure they havent been briefed yet) usually the testimony i go after is to support the events of visitation. listening to someone in military say that they do not exist isnt good enough, dont worry im not gonna say anything begnine like "why cant they prove they dont exist" i understand how rediculous that sounds.

and lets face it just because they wear the uniform doesnt mean they dont stoop as low as being a coward. im sure they have a career to protect and mouths to feed. cant just give out the truth if your retirement doesnt support it. so basically im saying that the military men who deny (which means they see the truth yet wont admit it) are either to cowardly to speak up,or they have been bought out by their mentors. or they simply havent been briefed. that was easy (clicks the easy button)



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reply to post by Malevolent_Aliens


Lie detectors and hypnosis prove nothing, all it does is prove that they believe what they say. The difference between your belief and actual proof are two different things. Just an example....Let's say someone went to bed in a living room with four other people in the room sitting around talking. The person has such a vivid dream that they believe it to be true and wake up to tell everyone what happened to them. Everyone awake will tell them it didn't because they were all up talking and saw that they were sleeping, but the person is so adamant that it did happened and nothing the people awake and witness will change thier mind. So they take a lie detector test and go under hypnosis. All the lie detector test and hypnosis will prove is yep they are believe what they are saying. When you bring the evidence into ie.. the people who witness them asleep and waking up to tell them a story..it will show that it did not happen.
Do you see what I am saying in that example....those tests will only prove to the tester that the person believes not that its true.

reply to post by LordThumbs

You haven't heard any military personal deny thier existence..lol. Then go on to say those in the military that do deny are cowards and obviously think they are the lowest people alive. So the one's that do agree with you are up there and have the guts to speak up...never once thinking they are just trying to make a name for themselves. Let's get this straight military that speak against are bad, undesirable people and the ones that speak for are brave, upstanding people. HMMMMM.

reply to post by riggs2099


never once did i say they were the lowest of humanity..and i didnt glorify the belivers either. its cowardly to deny the truth to anyone. if a military person says they dont exist thats a personal statement, and i wouldnt advise you blindly follow someones opinions.

try OM not HM next time. your obviously starting to get emotional.

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Originally posted by LordThumbs
reply to post by riggs2099

 

never once did i say they were the lowest of humanity..and i didnt glorify the belivers either. its cowardly to deny the truth to anyone. if a military person says they dont exist thats a personal statement, and i wouldnt advise you blindly follow someones opinions.

try OM not HM next time. your obviously starting to get emotional.

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Back at ya buddy do not blindly follow others opinions. I am saying that because are you taking the military personnals that say for ufo's opinions as fact.

reply to post by riggs2099


Riggs,

It's hard to believe that you can't see the difference between opinion and evidence.

If a Sgt. says he had a sighting that was also witnessed by others, that's evidence to an event.

If a Sgt. gives his/her opinion on ufology, that's an opinion.

Can you see the difference? It shouldn;t be hard to grasp.

Why should I give more weight to opinion than actual evidence?

reply to post by riggs2099


theres just too much testimony in favor for the ET existence to keep on denying too many radar returns to simply assume there is nothing in the sky. im not trying to convince you to be a believer.

i know there are skeptics which make skeptics look bad (bill Nye) who was attacked bad by the believers, and there are believers who make a bad name for other believers too.

Im glad you have a healthy suspision and im not the one trying to create bad vibes either.but if you enjoy clicking the smiley buttons in order to prove your point then thats why they're there so feel free.

if skeptics had an archive of counter evidence along side each of the cases i encountered i would be glad to delve into it. as a believer im 100% willing to delve in to counter evidence. are you willing to delve in to the evidence of the believer/experiencer..

and on a REAL note, what if (hypothically) a family member came out with an experience, would your first reaction be to deny them, or support them in a loving way. im just trying to bring the topic to a more down to earth level at this point.







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Well here we go for those of you that are using Edgar MItchell as proof alien existence. He states in the following information that he has no first hand knowledge and is only talking about stories he has heard and not once does he say alien life is coming here.
www.ufodigest.com...

reply to post by LordThumbs

I have seen UFO's but they are that to me in every sense of the word Unidentified not alien. I am here to try to figure this thing out too. I will not blindly make declarations that they alien or that they are not. There is not enough evidence to prove they are alien only that it is one of many possibilties. I am a skeptical believer in that until in can be proven one I will have no stance either way. My only stance is this...not enough evidence that tells us aliens and I will not believe that
they are alien until there is undeniable proof. Polo and many others refuse to acknowledge the other possible explainations and so do many skeptic the other way.


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reply to post by riggs2099


come on riggs please

i heard the interview. he was approach by other astronauts shortly before they departed. If you've taken psychology of death and dying (college course not sure how old you are) you will learn about a process that most people go through before death. first is denial, second we be good acts, and finally unfinished business..anyway, im no professor but my point is, is that people like to come clean and get things of their chest before death. I think its awesome that edgar mitchell would be choosen for such an event.

another small point id like to make is that he spoke of the roswell incident as being a true event. Im not sure if you ever heard of the term "deductive reasoning" so ill use it in an example..

when edgar states the event at roswell was true, DEDUCTIVE REASONING tells me that a UFO has visited in order to create such an event.

but really he does say we have been visited and are being visited, and sorry i dont have the links up for you..and im dissapointed that you wouldnt listen closely (maybe its the skeptics disposition) to the interview.

reply to post by LordThumbs


Hoy crap....you guys make it very hard to debate with reason becasue you will see what you want...lol.

" Are we alone in the universe? And of course science has not been able to prove that we are or that we are not. But we've been looking, of course, for habitable planets throughout our galaxy and star systems close enough to be observable and coming slowly to the conclusion that yes there are inhabitable planets out there. But that's a long way from saying we've been visited."
"LB: The interviews are quoted as saying that you say sources at NASA who had contact with aliens…

EM: That is totally false"-question and answer
These are his own words concerning UFOS and aliens.

I think deep down most skeptics know there is more to this than fantasy prone mentally sick people and government disinformation. The problem is even if one acknowledges the existence of the phenomenon, what can one honestly do about it? At the end of the day national security takes precidence over the First and Fourth Amendments. You will pay your taxes to folks who may have access to extraordinary information. If you don't pay your taxes, you can be thrown in jail. It's really that simple.

Things are changing, but in typical human fashion, change takes a really long time. Old habits are hard to break. If you saw a UFO/Alien a 100 years ago, you were on your own. Today I sit here on this great website and can talk about the subject with thousands of other like-minded people (all over the world) thirsting for answers. Given another 100 years, "UFO Theory" might be a scientific curriculum in many universities.

I have enjoyed reading what people have wrote on this particular thread. Good arguments on both sides.. Certainly what constitutes "proof" is different for everyone. I personally am convinced the phenomenon is real, however the final answer may not be "aliens from other planets."

I tend to like what Bernard Haisch has to say on the subject. Whether Haisch's impressive credentials help convince the true skeptic is doubtful. However, the definition at the top of his website is a good reminder to believers and skeptics alike..

Skeptic - One who practices the method of suspended judgment, engages in rational and dispassionate reasoning as exemplified by the scientific method, shows willingness to consider alternative explanations without prejudice based on prior beliefs, and who seeks out evidence and carefully scrutinizes its validity.

Here is some interesting thoughts from Haisch on "keeping it secret."

Over the past 50 years, the highest courts have accepted and upheld the precedence of national security over the First and Fourth Amendments. So even if the public wanted to know, that would not constitute a legal need or right to know. The elite are doing their patriotic duty by trying to control the situation within the established rules of national security."

My impression is that, if the above is true, there may be more involved than simply the knowledge that intelligent beings exist on other planets, and that some are able to come here to observe us. I think that at this point in our development, most of the world's cultures could accept such information without catastrophic societal consequences. I conjecture that what is at stake has to do with the possibility that reality may be far more complex than our modern scientific notions of space and time and matter. Mystics might be quite happy with other levels of reality, but for civilization built around commerce and technology entirely grounded in physical reality, news of other realms that intelligences beyond our own may be adept at manipulating could be quite disruptive. Too great a shock to our collective reality could lead to chaos, and this justifiable fear could be a rationale for decades-long secrecy.

While some of the individuals read in on deep black programs may be among the smartest on the planet, so are many scientists. (I do have a bit of a prejudice here.) If deep puzzles exist, why are the vast capabilities and talents of the mainstream scientific community not brought to bear on them? The problem, I believe, is that the view of reality of modern science is extraordinarily blinkered. In my 12-year tenure as editor of the Journal of Scientific Exploration, I was often dismayed at the unwillingness, sometimes amazingly hostile unwillingness, of mainstream scientists to consider what seemed to me credible observations of psychic functioning, or the ability of mind to control matter under certain circumstances, or evidence that we are beings of transcendent consciousness incarnating into physical bodies, not merely short-lived products of biochemistry. I have the impression that we may be confronting intelligent consciousnesses with vastly more developed abilites to control and shape physical reality. Modern science has painted itself into such a materialist reductionist corner that it could not, at present, deal with that.

Hope that wasn't too much external text.