Cuban 'Atlantis' Cover-Up Solved?

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan


Thanks for the kind offer BFFT but I had immediately sent the info to a freind of mine who is nartive Spanish speaking biologist and badgered her into doing a quick tranlation. I sent the links of www.cuba.cu... www.cuba.cu... as the images that accompnaied the text looked like they were the same.

She said that they are indeed and so is the text. I don't know why he did not just send a link to the website, perhaps he does not want to attract attention to it and in turn more attention to the project. Anyway, the links are worth looking at, and keeping in mind, because they do show the geological anamolies of the site.

One mystery solved, but the larger mystery, to my mind, remains.

reply to post by TheWayISeeIt


This site has produced some interesting questions but why does the thread end a few months ago? Sadly I see a lot of cooky people out there who use google earth to pinpoint anomalies that rarely can be clearly identified. Not from this site mind you..but on many others. This site is the only forum board I have come across yet where people actually seem to be trying to present carefully collected information.

When I heard about the MEGA site in 2001 my friends and I were excited. I read a book around that time called Guns, Germs, and Steel. The point that really riveted me was just how much of the ancient shoreline has been covered by water from the last Ice Age melt. I believe it was something near 2 miles of shorline was flooded the world over.

History has taught us that man built cities near water more often than not. So since reading that book I have been fascinated by the possibility that there remains thousands of miles of underwater land to be explored.

Atlantis? At this point does it really matter? The date for modern man has been pushed back time and time again. Scientists need to collectively stand up and say "We know about a hangnail of our ancient herritage" and start focusing on the links that civilizations have to each other.

To me the most important things are this:

1. Existing pryamids. Are we to believe that suddenly cultures around the world built pyramids to practice some of their most revered beliefs? That every culture had the same interests in astrology? How? The simple fact that pyramids exist thousands of miles from each other suggests that either one hand guided the construction OR some of our ancient cultures were in contact with each other.

2. The great flood myths. How can cultures who have hated each other have such similar myths on their histories. I know in cases some cultures borrowed from other cultures in creating their myths but again...there is a lot of distance between some cultures with flood myths.

3. Astrological obsessions. Sure..the heavens fascinate us all. But again, separate cultures apparently developed not only the same kind of affinity, they used similar means to track the stars? When we started the moon race, it wasn't like 10 other countries stood up and said "Hey..we are already working on that one" And lets face it..hasn't the American model been copied the world over (or Soviet..not sure who get the design credits)? It's true everywhere you look. One culture creates something and then it is imitated again and again. But again..either one culutre showed them how to do it or they saw one and then copied it the world over.

These things suggest a great question: How do different civilizations during periods of relative isolation (read egypt, mesoamerica) create such similar things? It doesn't make sense. Not one bit. These people got lucky in a way no bookie could place odds on, they had some collective knowledge of what one culture was doing (suggesting some serious travel), or they were guided by one dying civilization trying desperately to pass on knowledge they felt mankind needed to know.

I look forward to finding these answer, but I won't hold my breath. I'm sure some "scholar" could pound factoids into my head about how stuff like this happens but I haven't seen this kind of similarity in todays man.

Of course there is one other intriguing possibility: Carbon Dating don't know jack. Sure everyone is doing it but really, how do we know the structures are in line with the people we know occupied it during a time? What if an ancient civilization left buildings all over the world that people discovered themselves trying to find some kinds of roots in a post ice age world? Just a thought.

I swear I tire of hearing "Way too complicated for their culutre at that time"

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by TheWayISeeIt

 

To me the most important things are this:

1. Existing pryamids. Are we to believe that suddenly cultures around the world built pyramids to practice some of their most revered beliefs? That every culture had the same interests in astrology? How? The simple fact that pyramids exist thousands of miles from each other suggests that either one hand guided the construction OR some of our ancient cultures were in contact with each other.

Have you ever noticed UFOs are never seen on the ground. They always appear to hover, as if they can't go below a certain altitude. People have been reporting UFOs sightings for thousands of years. In my oppinion the world's ancient cultures were trying to reach these alien visitors. I bet in the climax of the mesoamerican culture aliens of light landed on top of their temples.

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You should sign-up, you raised a lot of interesting questions and the site would be better for your participation. It would also allow me to u2u some links to threads that I, (and bigfatfurrytexan on one too) started after this one that tries to adress a lot of what you are talking about.

I 'ended' this this thread as my conjecture was surrounding what happened to Zelitsky, but in the course of the dialogue with our Skeptics BFFT and I started putting some theories together that have to do with reanalyzing the Global Flood Myth: Here is a link to that

The other one that you may want to check out, and participate in, is the Proof of Ancient Civs: The Throw Down Thread.

I started it in the hopes that others would throw down with me, I have stopped adding to it for the moment as I am otherwise occupied, but intend to return to it myself after the holidays.

SIGN UP!
TWISI

fantastic post

I've been waiting for more news since the 2004 announcement but there's been nada. I sent an email to the lady but never got a reply.

Any ATS millionaires want to fund a mission?

reply to post by TheWayISeeIt


things are slowing down here, too. let me know when you are ready.

reply to post by TheWayISeeIt


Alright..you got me hooked up. This is the anonomous poster from 11-11-08 @ 2:39pm. I wrote the mine novel. I look forward to those links and some rather spirited debating!

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
1. Existing pryamids. Are we to believe that suddenly cultures around the world built pyramids to practice some of their most revered beliefs? That every culture had the same interests in astrology? How? The simple fact that pyramids exist thousands of miles from each other suggests that either one hand guided the construction OR some of our ancient cultures were in contact with each other.

May I ask what you mean by suddenly? There are many THOUSANDS of years between pyramids. I would hardly call that "suddenly" in comparison to say appearance of powered flight over a decade.

[edit on 14-11-2008 by merka]

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What I meant to say was that while there is time between some of these pyramids, 1000's of years in some cases sure, fact is some of the pyramids were built across continents during the same periods and also during times they were supposedly isolated from the rest of the world (in some cases) I know that for example there is a vast time difference between south american and egyptian pyramids. It just seems strange that these momuments exist all over the world.

It was my first post here and to be honest I read all 10 pages of posts and their links during a slow workday and had a lot to say but not the space to get it out.

My main point to all of this is either ancient cultures as WE know them have common ancestors who passed these skills onto them or they were in contact with each other much earlier than commonly accepted.

It's just hard to buy into the fact that different cultures..like egypt and mesomaerica as the extreme example..can have similar ways of building when it came to astrology and religion. Which is why I raised the possibility (and not the first time here im sure) that ancient cultures as we know it may have dwelled in the leavings of someone much more ancient!

Or another way to look at it

You want to build something that is high, above level ground.

You have two chocies - just like all other ancient civilizations.

A mound or a pyramid is the most effective way to get a raised point.

To kill animals all humans thought up the idea of a spear and later most came up with the bow and arrow - original thought or diffusion?

I've been an off and on observer of this site for awhile now and I'm relatively new here although not new to the quest... My thoughts on the topic, if they be of any significance; by trying to protect us from the technology that supposedly could destroy our planet, they (the powers that be) are in turn contributing to the destruction primarily due to the concealment of the fact that an advanced civilization, even more advanced than our own, had the means in which to destroy themselves. The knowledge that such a civilization that was so advanced not only technologically but spiritually who had the power to control their own destiny yet were responsible for their own demise would be of profound significance to this supposedly superior society that we currently inhabit. The Mayans knew the Earth had been destroyed in cycles. It seems to me most people who could lead the world to change seem incapacitated to react due to their own religious views that the world will be saved by someone else or due to their feeling of inadequacy that one little person just can't make that much of a difference. It is this attitude of detachment, greed, and general lack of respect for each other, that probably caused the destruction in the past. As we say in the south, it isn't guns who kill people but people who kill people. Perhaps our destiny is destruction that is unavoidable but just imagine if the apocalypse didn't exist in our minds and in religion, would it ever happen? I guess we all learn the most by repeating the same mistakes over and over until we realize that the problem lies within, at least that's what has happened to me in my own personal life. I finally found out the demons are of my own design.

The prophecies, the prophets and the founding fathers of this nation have foretold that Atlantis will be re-discovered during the end of this age and the dawning of the new age. At this time we will be given a choice, keep repeating the same mistakes or learn from our immortal failures.


[edit on 22-1-2009 by SDEyevon]

reply to post by Byrd


Well there just so happens to be a history show based on exactly this. Take a look and it somewhat matches with what everyones been saying. I have also heard that Atlantis is possibly located at Montauk Point.

www.rodostube.gr...

Originally posted by Byrd
I'm suspicous of an "anthropologist" who makes the identification. Furthermore, anthropologists aren't the ones who dig up and identify artifacts -- it's archaeologists. That makes it doubly suspicious.

As the poster says, it is a singular joy to see you apply hard science to so many of these postings, and try to inspire the 'true believers' to track down the real story. One comment, though...

As someone who did undergrad and avocational work in Archaeology (for a BSc. Anthro), my understanding is that in North America, archaeology is considered an aspect of Anthropology...based upon the fact that we don't have a lot of written history prior to European contact...Mayan glyphs and Incan knots notwithstanding. So theory...anthropological theory...has to fill in a lot of the gaps.

That's not to say that all archaeologists are anthropologists...I've known some geographers in the field.

But, in the Old World, archaeology is regarded as 'History's Handmaiden'...but over here, it's Anthro. At least that's what they tell us in Toronto.

[edit on 6-1-2010 by JohnnyCanuck]

I tried to skim through this thread too see if this had been posted before, but didn't find any evidence. here is some video of the find

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The Youtube video link does not work. It reports "The URL contained a malformed video ID". Can you please post it again with the correct Youtube ID?

I found some videos on the sunken city.

www.youtube.com...

www.youtube.com...

www.youtube.com... Pt 1 of 4. David Wilcock talks about it at 50:45- .

www.paoweb.com... The DVD "Journey To Joy" shows a world map with Atlantis and Lemuria. It's very detailed.
I e-mailed his wife asking them to put the map in a youtube video for all to see. The map shows Atlantis extending all way through Cuba to the Yukatan peninsula. Another slim arm of the continent extended to England.
Other sourses for info. are Ruth Montgomery's book "The World Before".



[edit on 17-5-2010 by Sargoth]

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Hey this site is only a little more than 2000 ft! The Gulf oil disaster is 5000 ft deep. They easily sent ROV's down there. It's time to get those same ROV units over to the Cuba site.

Any body got any money to give to BP to borrow those ROV when they are done with the oil leak?

I think BP owes us a favor don't you? Maybe they should let us use them for free.

[edit on 18-5-2010 by lostinspace]

More info on Atlantis. Can't vouch for the validity. Hans was saying there was no group saying that the Gov. should keep all Et and ancient civilization info. from the public. He's wrong, the Brookings Institute said exactly that. Google it.

www.galacticfriends.com...

In this thread a post was made regarding an email to someone who wrote a book about which included info about the find and he was in contact with the people involved, and stated that they refused the offer from Random house, and he thought, they had refused the offer from National Geographic.

At the time (approx 2004) I had heard they accepted the offer from National Geographic, who garnered exclusive rights to the story.

How much they paid I do not know, then nothing more was heard of the story.

Also on the Morien Institute page, you see people looking at a monitor, and they claim, they are looking at the side scan radar. oopsy, they are not looking at the side scan radar, they are looking at the side of a stone building, with rock work that has joints that are similar to other ruins in Peru, which have water tight mortarless joints.



Something that Paula mentioned, that they had seen. Rock work using huge megaliths, with joints so tight you could not insert a piece of paper etc, as is often stated of ancient rock work in Peru.

Also, there was mention of metal clad buildings that were also observed and many other mentions of anomalous structures which must have had some associated imagery but was never shown to the public.

One clue that there is a conspiracy, is that when they talked about discovering pyramids there, they always show a picture of Paula, looking at her screen, where there is a tiny pyramid shaped rock, less than a meter high, when in fact she was speaking about South American pyramids, as large as those found in Mexico.



You really need to be used to conspiracy theory to see how things are downplayed to realize there is more to this story than meets the eye.

Priceless gold artifacts to be found? Untold riches for the right team to dig up and sell to the highest bidder?

Maybe in secret away from prying eyes? Private collectors?

Or evidence for a civilization that predates the Indus Valley, and Mesopotamia, and giants, and pre flood civilization? Was this the land that was spoke of in the Bible? Was this the land of the giants?
That is what the locals told the conquistadors.

Sodomite Flesh Eating Giants of Peru

Was this where Utnapishtim lived across the sea? (from Gilgamesh)

Is this seal found in the Indus Valley a symbol of Noah's Ark, the unicow, which became the unicorn, the ark of the covenant (top right) and other symbols of the flood myth which may have originated in the Indus Valley, or, even traveled across the Pacific, to the Indus Valley, then to Mesopotamia?
From the prehistoric exhibit at the New Delhi Museum


As these seals made their way to Mesopotamia, they began to look more like a unicorn.
Look up unicorn seals in google.

I think there is much more to this story than is being told. Maybe I just like a good mystery but I don't think this one is solved yet.

If you want to see an example of one of the water cisterns claimed to have been made by giants by the locals to the conquistadors, you can see one here from space
Water Cistern Above Cusco Peru...

Beside that cistern you see rock worn down form eons of water flowing over it.

The water then flowed from there to a tunnel which then flowed to another ruin several miles away.

You can research all this yourself if you want. Just google tunnel under cusco

The tunnel then went to Koricancha which looks like it could have been the home of small giants to be sure. The hallway there is 10 feet tall with wear marks from shoulders rubbing in the darkened hallway at about 7 feet off the ground. An archaeologist once told me that they look at hallways to see where people slide their hand along the wall, at shoulder height, and in this hallway, they were sliding their hands along the wall at 7 feet off the ground.

But what is striking about the rock work is the size of boulders around that cistern and the water tight joints.
Why water tight joints unless these people were afraid of floods?

Examine the joint work in this rare image of Koricancha taken by a tourist...



What it shows, is work that is as fine as any seen anywhere in the world, at a time when these people did not even have metal tools. The current claim is that this building was made using pounding stones.

The mortar jointed work to the right was done later by the Spanish. No comparison in craftsmanship there.

Frankly I think the story of the cradle of civilization should be revisited with an eye to South America, since so many clues lead in that direction.