Stop Raising The Minimum Wage & Stop Whining

Originally posted by justamomma

Originally posted by ncuncfan2006
If the minimum wage were set to zero, we would have more working people on welfare causing either our taxes to rise or deficit to rise, further devaluing the dollar. If you throw them off of welfare, crime will rise.
[edit on 30-7-2008 by ncuncfan2006]

You automatically see all employers as greedy *snips*!

Do you not see that minimum wage is meant to wipe out those employers that would love to help others..... the honest, hardworking, fair individuals? I have watched so many 'mom & pop' shops have to close down here due to increases in MW, business registration fees, taxes, etc etc. Now they are being replaced w/ Walmart, HEB, and other big name retails stores.

It has truly hurt this community and made it less of a "community" atmosphere and more of a society of faceless drones. I have been sad to see the faces of the community be replaced by bigger coorporations who benifit off these MW increases.

Your stances are just ensuring that the rich get richer while the poor become more poor and those that WOULD HAVE BEEN a great help to the communities w/ their small businesses disappear.


[edit on 30-7-2008 by justamomma]

Well its their responsibility to pick a business that is gonna make enough money to cover those expenses. Its not our problem they can not pick a lucrative product to sell or decide on a business that has less competition in their area. If they cant make it cause of a 70 cent increase in wage tough @#$# they dont need to whine and need to close the doors and rent space or sale.

Who do i sound like?

reply to post by justamomma


Agreed, I think this whole issue of minimum wage would impact small business the most. You see , I know I keep mentioning it, but it's the nasty evil under handed Federal Reserve that's at the core of this problem.
It must be abolished. The Government should be issuing the money by spending it into existence through the rebuilding of infrastructure through out the US. Interest free , they have the authority to do this. Yet it is not done, Why? Because the system thats been pulling this fraud since 1913 is more concerned about it's own existence than the welfare of it's citizens. There plenty of money to go round for all who are part of this scam. The lone advocate of abolishing the federal reserve and the IRS is Ron Paul. Seem people in the US just don't get it. They would rather work months out of the year to the IRS that takes their money and gives them ZIP for it in terms of government services. I'd say it's a good gig if you can get it. If one of us tried to operate the way the fed or any of the fractional reserve banks do we would be sent to prison.

[edit on 30-7-2008 by Swingarm]

reply to post by ncuncfan2006


You sound like the ppl who you expect to set your minimum wage amounts, give you handouts, and push for the socialistic agendas.

reply to post by ncuncfan2006

Well its their responsibility to pick a business that is gonna make enough money to cover those expenses. Its not our problem they can not pick a lucrative product to sell or decide on a business that has less competition in their area. If they cant make it cause of a 70 cent increase in wage tough @#$# they don't need to whine and need to close the doors and rent space or sale.

OK, I pick a huge multi national corp thats not affected by the minimum wage. I can tell you as a business owner myself the price of shipping the product to me has increased. Minimum wage goes up, my employers portion goes up too. The end result is a increased price to the consumer. It doesn't really affect me that much because I live in a community experiencing a boom with gold and base metals being found and developed. The impact in many other areas would be different I suspect. As justamomma said it's conducive to the big box stores and China's economy being pumped up. Did I mention the federal reserve should be abolished?

[edit on 30-7-2008 by Swingarm]

Originally posted by justamomma
reply to post by ncuncfan2006

 

You sound like the ppl who you expect to set your minimum wage amounts, give you handouts, and push for the socialistic agendas.

So would Mw be in your top 5 pick of things wrong with this country?

Originally posted by ncuncfan2006
So would Mw be in your top 5 pick of things wrong with this country?

No, the whiners pushing for it though would be in my top 3 things that are wrong w/ this country.

reply to post by justamomma


I dont think whiners made the wage increase. It seems the government does that. Whens the last time whiners made the goverment do anything? HA

[edit on 30-7-2008 by ncuncfan2006]

reply to post by ncuncfan2006


I think she meant that the whiners are whining instead of doing something for their selfs.

OK I've read through this thread again and I have come to some different conclusions. For one I feel that maybe we haven't whined enough. Now before you question that statement let me explain please. When I say that I mean" we haven't whined enough." I mean we haven't held our politicians accountable for their actions." I've been so busy raising a family that I'm ignorant to the government ways of deceit. I've never sent a letter to them because I've been so busy with six children of my own. In my younger days I just wanted to party even though I was responsible enough to hold and keep a job, minimum wage I might add. I've asked all my friends if they have called, emailed, written letters to our politicians and they had the same answer " No I don't have time for that, I have to worry about where my next meal and full tank of gas is coming from, so I work and pay bills and work overtime and pay more bills. They say that the time away from work is family time and work and government is obsolete.

I took a good look into the mirror and I'm proud that I worked so hard in my life from my teenage years to now and I'm OK. What I'm not so proud of is that I never once marched in D.C for anything. I never called my representatives for anything to change they way America is going. I thought they were smart enough to handle our country and would do good for us. I was so wrong and I'm sorry for being so busy that I lost track of the ones we vote for and what they're doing behind closed doors. I realized that our government representatives where handing out tons of cash just to get a vote. I realized that our voices are nothing to the cash these representives ( politicians ) recieve on the daily bases in the name of America. These politicians in my opinion are representing big business and lobbyist. How else do they end up rich. I think we are the slaves that make big businesses rich who in turn for favoritism from our government make them rich.

Minimum wage is just another " OK let's keep them happy but not to happy " kind of deal. I feel that minimum wage shouldn't even matter if we had our voices heard and the politicians did our deeds, not big business. It's never going to change. They could raise minimum wage to $20.00 an hour and still the only people getting rich is big business and the politicians. We still keep fighting and scraping our pockets to make ends meet while our representatives fly on personal jets payed by us and eat luxery food payed by us. Our politicians seem to not know how to help out the people, but in reality they know exactly what they are doing. They may seem stupid and we can talk about them, laugh at them and make jokes about them but I serious wonder who's getting the last laugh.

If our government would stay out of our business and we the people stay in their business then minimum wage wouldn't matter. People would'nt be complaing about their jobs, they'd be compaining about our elective officials. I know minimum wage should have been increased at least yearly or two, but why has it not? No better reason to hold off in doing that, except for our leaders getting their yearly raises, bonuses, etc... I still want people to be responsible for their selfs and instead of whining to the government about your life, let's whine to the government about their lifes and how they have bent us over and given us the shaft. Let's whine about them, not us. Let's make them do what we want, not them. Can we do that?

[edit on 7/30/2008 by Solarskye]

The problem is that there are at least three ways we facilitate the existence of the Federal Reserve and the Illuminati via inflation.

1. Failing to keep the minimum wage in sync with inflation. It should be maybe around $20 per hour.
2. Allowing illegal aliens and non-green card labor in our country who, more often than not, work long hours for less.
3. Allowing cheap imports (not properly tariffed)

The combination makes us feel safe because we can get by and put up with the situation. IE We, are the frogs who keep thinking we can get use to the hotter and hotter water. The country is in the situation it is in, due in no small part to the three items above and our selfish hope of "just let me get mine". .Better we face the reality of inflation and oppose it than how we can keep getting by. Our buy power erodes not because of minimum wage but because of inflation.

reply to post by ReelView


Absolutely,

It's the poor that really get hurt first. Eventually if this system stays the way it is. It will be all the folks pointing fingers at minimum wage earners,wanting the license # of the truck that just hit them. I agree also that the flood of illegals does nothing but keep a few more businesses afloat for a little while longer. This is why you will see the NAU emerging and I wouldn't be surprised if they start a brand new shinny and exciting central bank for it's reorganized slave system.

reply to post by Solarskye


WE AGREE!!!!!!!!!!!!

reply to post by ncuncfan2006


Just don't forget that you can make the difference, not the government. This whole thread was about minimum wage and how it doesn't need to be raised and people need to quit whining. The only real thing that needs to be raised for now is our awareness that our government could of fixed this along time ago, but we didn't make them. We whined about us when we should of whined about them and took action before we all got so busy trying to keep up. But either way you have to fend for yourself, because if you rely on someone else to do it for you you lose.

Originally posted by ncuncfan2006

I dont think whiners made the wage increase. It seems the government does that. Whens the last time whiners made the goverment do anything? HA

The following would be correct:

Originally posted by Solarskye
I think she meant that the whiners are whining instead of doing something for their selfs.

Now, for the record, I don't blame the increase solely on shoulders of the MW workers either, but until ppl start speaking out and saying they can take care of themselves, congress will continue increasing the wages citing you (generalized) all who ARE complaining (whether it be through the use of programs such as food stamps etc) as their reason for doing so.

There is a clear agenda in what these increases are meant to do and for those arguing that it won't raise prices and won't cause unemployment, think again.

Sure, for now places like Walmart and other big coorporations won't be raising their prices because in the long run, when all the small businesses are gone, they can make up for the (seemingly to them) small profit loss by hiking up their prices and spreading out the hours among all their new employees who once worked for or owned a small business.

"Everything is going to go up and because minimum wage is too, a lot of things are going to cost more eventually," Dingle said.

Some workers also worried that the increase could have more of a negative impact in the long term for not only consumers, but employees who fight for jobs.

Daniel Powell, co-manager of the Wal-Mart Super Center in Carbondale, said the increase in the minimum wage is needed, especially for those who travel long distances to work. But in some cases, businesses might have to cut hours to be able to afford to pay its employees the rising wages, he said.

Wal-Mart should not be affected immediately, he said, but many smaller and independently-owned businesses may.

"We could potentially cut hours, but as of right now we need everybody for the back-to-school rush so there won't be any problem," Powell said.

media.www.siude.com...

Though the vast majority of Mississippians earn more than minimum wage, some area businesses are feeling a financial pinch from the latest increase.

Area business owners, particularly those with small businesses or restaurants, say they're tacking the latest minimum wage hike on to a growing list of other rising operating expenses.

For example, McAllister's Corp. now pays an extra $3,500 for payroll each week, said Patrick Walls, chief franchise officer for the McAllister's restaurant chain, based in Ridgeland with 272 locations.

About 800 employees at the 31 corporate-operated restaurants earned less than the new minimum wage, he said

McAllister's is paying higher labor costs while also paying more for raw goods, Walls said.

"We're really seeing both go up at the same time, so we're really getting squeezed," he said.

Businesses also are being hit by rising food and utility costs, Walker said. Costs for suppliers, maintenance and repairs are also increasing, and those tend to include surcharges for labor and travel, he said.

"We are all concerned about holding prices where they are," Walker said. Still, the cost of sandwiches, french fries and milkshakes likely will increase for the business to profit, he said.

"We're going to be very diligent because we understand the pressures of the market is going to be falling upon everybody," Walker said.

"Our small businesses are already hurting the way it is," said Lauren King McGraw, who owns three businesses, Gotta Go, Gotta Jump and Cotton Exchange Liquor. "The government is going to take the backbone of America and then run them out of businesses. And then what are we going to do?"

All but one of her employees already earn more than minimum wage, but the increases are an unfair burden, she said.

"I want people to make a fair wage, but I don't want the government telling me what that fair wage is - not when it's keeping me from making a profit right now," McGraw said.

Upping prices to cover rising expenses isn't an option, she said. Some customers will leave over small increases. McGraw also tried adding delivery and fuel charges to customers' bills, but "most of them balk at it."

"There's not much we can do," she said of small-business owners. "It's killing us."

Cutting back on personnel is another bad option because it hurts the quality of customer service, the business owners said.

"Customers want to be waited on," Walker said. "They don't care about how bad the economy is."

Also, he said, "I hate to hurt those people who work for me, who have helped me get to where I am right now."

At McAllister's, they're looking at ways to decrease labor costs, Walls said. They won't reduce serving staff, buy lower quality products or cut portion sizes, he said.

Besides those options, though, "everything else is certainly on the table, and we're looking hard at that every day," he said.

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What you are seeing by these increases is a "wave goodbye" to small businesses, and the ones benefitting will not be the middle class or even those who are "poverty" level status....... it will be the big coorporations who ultimately everyone will HAVE no choice but run to for work bc the backbone of America, the small business, will no longer exist.

Welcome to your socialist state my friends! Won't be long until we all truly know what slavery is.



[edit on 31-7-2008 by justamomma]

reply to post by justamomma


Sorry to speak for you justamomma, I should of let you explain that.

People have to do what they got to do to survive and to be successful, that's why there are small businesses. When we lose these businesses to minimum wage hikes we lose our hopes to ever get ahead. It will be twice as hard to move up and get a piece of that pie. I hope I'm wrong.

Originally posted by Solarskye
reply to post by justamomma

 

Sorry to speak for you justamomma, I should of let you explain that.

No worries! I saw the post that was directed toward me, but was actually relieved when you answered because I am not, contrary to the growing opinions about me, a mean *snip*. I am, however, feeling angered at the ignorance to the obvious agenda these increases entail.

I understand there are well intentioned ppl who have replied on here, but the minimum wage increases will by no means solve the problem....... it is not meant to. It is rather meant to destroy the very thing that we in this country have taken for granted, ie the "free market."

I am also angered bc the small businesses are, in more cases than not, the ones that would help "the poverty" in this country.

To not allow small business owners a right to decide what they pay their employees is to help usher in this socialist state that will have more ppl wallowing at the poverty level than getting them out of it.

HMMMM Minimum wage increases and the unemployment rate skyrockets to 5.7%, the highest in 4 years.

Coincidence? I think not.

Originally posted by RRconservative
HMMMM Minimum wage increases and the unemployment rate skyrockets to 5.7%, the highest in 4 years.

Coincidence? I think not.

Oh, but it has NOTHING to do w/ minimum wage increases.

(and they said I wasn't a student of an irony )

Hyper inflation is the driving force behind this mess. Minimum wage is a moot point. The federal reserve must be abolished. The government has the power to spend the money into existence interest free. What a concept ! Is it done? No! The same scam is being played out here in Canada. The fed needs to be axed. It's the reason Andrew Jackson had two attempts on his life. It's the reason JFK was assassinated. These men were trying to run the bankers out of town. Didn't you learn this in school?
No? School is a place where your taught how to be good little slaves. Check out JFK and executive order 11110 This is what Ron Paul is trying to do. Along with abolishing the IRS, the two go hand and hand. Try to get the idea thats been so deeply ingrained in you that only death is certain, not taxes.

[edit on 1-8-2008 by Swingarm]

[edit on 2-8-2008 by Swingarm]

wow this sucks ....

In Oz the minimum wage is about 14.30/h, the only people who get paid less than that are kids working in Mc Donalds and KFC.

are people here trying to tell me that an econemy such as the USA's cant support a decent minimum wage when a a little econemy such as we have here in Oz can?

the american dream is a lie and the american econemy is an illusion if that is the case.

reply to post by Demandred


Yes it is, And fractional reserve fractional banking is alive and well in your country too.

cij.inspiriting.com...

[edit on 4-8-2008 by Swingarm]