Stop Raising The Minimum Wage & Stop Whining

reply to post by slackerwire


hey, slackerwire, you serious about relocating me to Venezuela?

I will take you up on that offer, in fact, I'll videotape it and make a documentary.

I am completely serious.

I would like to see what 17 cent gas and helping other nations feels like.

(helping? oh yes. helping. Chavez sold at a big discount Heating Oil and even delivered it to people in the Northeast region of America. I didn't see Exxon doing that...)

so really man, put your money where your mouth is: pay for me and my mom's relocation to Venezuela.

we'll negotiate the exact arrangements.

reply to post by MegaTherion


Bravo.. You summed it up. Also this overused quote "Life isnt fair" crap basically applies to disease, and natural disasters. A lot of the unfair part comes from us as humans.

We have to many heartless humans on this planet right slacker and justamomma?

Maybe on day you will be walking to your car and someone robs you at gunpoint. You give them all your money. You tell them look you got all my money now let me go. The mugger looks at you, puts a bullet in the chamber, smiles and says. LIFE AINT FAIR. and pulls the trigger.










[edit on 30-7-2008 by forthepeople]

reply to post by MegaTherion


Your mom is on her own.

Once you begin taking the necessary steps to renounce your U.S. citizenship, we can begin negotiating.

I will gladly do this, but remember you can never return to the U.S.. Ever. Not for holidays, funerals, vacation, nothing.

reply to post by forthepeople


are you replying to me? because that Swingarm comment link makes no sense to what you just wrote.

based on what you wrote, I assume you meant me, and as such:

thank you.

justamomma and slackerwire don't seem to be students of Irony.

reply to post by slackerwire


why is my mom on her own?

you don't believe in taking care of Family?

package deal.

also, I won't renounce until I see proof that you have the means and can't back out.

otherwise, I have no qualms.

I make a solemn oath that if you relocate me and my (also socialist) mom to Venezuela, we will NEVER return to America. EVER. for any reason.

reply to post by MegaTherion


You're 25 correct? Time to cut the cord from your socialist mommy and venture out on your own.

A relocation to Venezuela shouldn't run me more than 10 grand at the most, no biggie there if it means one less socialist moron to contend with.

reply to post by slackerwire


and leave her here for the likes of YOU to take care of?

she's disabled. she needs me.

$10,000?

cheapskate.

I didn't think you'd have the gumption to sign the check your mouth signed.

reply to post by MegaTherion


The phrase " life isn't fair " is in fact a reality. It's not fair that innocent people get killed in worthless wars, but it happens. It's not fair that a new born child is diagnosed with cancer and won't live past six years old, but it happens. We don't have a right to an apartment or to eat steak dinners and have a car to drive. Those opportunities are there to get those things but you have to work hard and make good decisions to get them. Just like you don't have to live in an apartment if you don't want to. You don't have to have those luxuries to make it. But I know, if people whine enough about it then the good Ole' government that has gotten us to this point will give in and raise the minimum wage and the poorest of the poor won't have a job to go to.



[edit on 7/30/2008 by Solarskye]

reply to post by MegaTherion


Not my fault, or anyone elses for that matter than your mother cant take care of herself. Why dont you put up the funds to move her there with you?

Surely your little socialist fantasy includes helping your own mom doesnt it?

10k is cheap?

Originally posted by Solarskye
reply to post by MegaTherion

 

The phrase " life isn't fair " is in fact a reality. It's not fair that innocent people get killed in worthless wars, but it happens. It's not fair that a new born child is diagnosed with cancer and won't live past six years old, but it happens. We don't have a right to an apartment or to eat steak dinners and have a car to drive. Those opportunities are there to get those things but you have to work hard and make good decisions to get them. Just like you don't have to live in an apartment if you don't want to. You don't have to have those luxuries to make it. But I know, if people whine enough about it then the good Ole' government that has gotten us to this point will give in and raise the minimum wage and the poorest of the poor won't have a job to go to.



[edit on 7/30/2008 by Solarskye]

Wars= cause of humans

Natural disasters and disease cant be prevented.

We could fix one part if we wanted.


Tell me or show me some facts as to were minimum wage workers have lost their jobs due to a increase in minimum wage.. Hard data show me.






[edit on 30-7-2008 by forthepeople]

reply to post by Solarskye


I'm not saying steak dinners, for pete's sake.

but if you don't have the right to a home, where are you gonna live?

employers never hire dirty bums. they won't even talk to you without a permanent address. you can't even get welfare without an address.

there is no frontier for people to go homestead or build a cabin and be self sufficient on any more.

all the land on earth, even most of antarctica is owned by people.

not having a job and not having a home, like an apartment, is Death in america.

you aren't going to live long that way, and you aren't going to have any chance at getting ahead.

Just a reminder...

Please focus responses on the Actual topic of discussion, as opposed to individual perceptions of other's character and or person.

Thank You.

» Political Issues » Stop Raising The Minimum Wage & Stop Whining

My parents own an ice cream shop, and rely heavily in its operation on eight 16-20 year olds working part-time schedules of 16-24 hours a week, along with one full-time manager who is assisted by my parents in their free time. Over the course of a 7 day work week, they typically employ the part-time workers for a total of about 340 hours a week.

Raising the minimum wage by .70 increased their straight wage expense by $240 a week, or about $1000 a month. But it had collateral consequences as well, as their worker’s comp. and unemployment insurance costs rose in relation to their payroll, as did their payroll tax contributions. The combination of wage increase and the various increases that spin off that wage increase was about $1500 a month. This is against a total wage expense for the part-timers of about $8000 a month.

Now, the same thing is going to happen next month — another increase of .70 per hour, totaling about $1500 a month in additional operating expenses is going to kick in. This will come on top of significant increases over the past year in product costs — multiply the increased cost of milk you are paying at the supermarket several times over and you get a feel for the increased cost of buying ice cream on a large scale for a business establishment.

They will raise the prices a little, but not enough to cover the total increase. They will cutback on the hours the part-timers work, and work a few more hours themselves. And if they lose another worker, they probably won’t hire a replacement.

My parents are both in their late 60s, and they don’t want to work 60 hour weeks at an ice cream parlor they bought on a lark after they retired.

But they aren’t going to operate it as a money loser either.

When Congress increased the minimum wage, for many many small business operators such as my parents, Congress took the profit from the business right out of their pocket. I’d be surprised if my parents’ shop made more than $3,000 or $4,000 month in profit — with them taking nothing in terms of a wage for themselves. If they had not cut-back their part-time work force payroll, the minimum wage hike would have taken every bit of that profit away.

Now they are working more than they want, and for a very modest annual return on their labor and investment.

And two fewer teenagers will be employed by them this summer than was the case last year.

source

With fuel prices at an all time high and food going up along with minimum wage then who wins? The government wins because the more we have to spend the more taxes they collect. Did minimum wage workers really get a raise? And still what about workers who had the job first for two years and now the new guy comes in making the same as he is. I'm basically saying that other problems need fixed first and then adjust minimum wage. I'm also tired of whiny people who say they're barely scraping by and don't know what to do. Plenty of members here have said what they need to do. They keep waiting on the government to help them when indeed they need to help their selves get out of the gutter. And what business wants to hire someone with no experience after the government stuck a gun to their head and said pay more. I would hire someone with more experience, thus leaving the one needing the experience unable to find work.

reply to post by Solarskye


Yes and those college kids just graduating need experience how do they get it if not hired?

In case you guys havent noticed the current rise in food and energy costs is not the result of congress tinkering with the minimum wage now is it? And it also seems to have escaped your attention that the teen part-time employees are also having to pay more for things even if they live at home. Perhaps you think that doesn’t matter. Nice attitude, considering that these teens’ social security contributions are part of what funds your parents’ social security checks.


The bottom line is you guys can argue till you are blue in the face. The wage hasnt been increased in 10 years IT IS NOT THE REASON WE ARE IN A RECESSION OR WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT.

Thats the fact and their is no debating it.


[edit on 30-7-2008 by forthepeople]

See that's some of the problems that need fixed. This money debt scandal and other things. But just because the scheme is meant for us to go in debt doesn't mean you have to fall for it and go into debt.

reply to post by Solarskye


Fall for it ? You spend several months of the year falling for it Or do you not pay your income taxes ? How many people can avoid debt ? Did you purchase your house outright ?

[edit on 30-7-2008 by Swingarm]

reply to post by forthepeople


College kids have just that, college on their side. I would definately hire a college student, because to me that says he wants an education and will work while getting it. Not all minimum wage workers complain or whine and I give them many applauses for that, but there are some who do.

If the minimum wage were set to zero, we would have more working people on welfare causing either our taxes to rise or deficit to rise, further devaluing the dollar. If you throw them off of welfare, crime will rise.

After skyrocketing oil prices, the foreclosure fiasco, the dropping dollar, and rising food prices - blaming the rise in unemployment primarily on the raise in minimum wage seems a bit shortsighted doesn’t it? If you google ‘raising minimum wage increases employment’ you’ll find a NYT Letter on this argument, noting that, ‘ After 50 years of minimum-wage coverage, only once - during the 1974-75 recession - did unemployment increase.’

[edit on 30-7-2008 by ncuncfan2006]

Originally posted by ncuncfan2006
If the minimum wage were set to zero, we would have more working people on welfare causing either our taxes to rise or deficit to rise, further devaluing the dollar. If you throw them off of welfare, crime will rise.
[edit on 30-7-2008 by ncuncfan2006]

You automatically see all employers as greedy *snips*!

Do you not see that minimum wage is meant to wipe out those employers that would love to help others..... the honest, hardworking, fair individuals? I have watched so many 'mom & pop' shops have to close down here due to increases in MW, business registration fees, taxes, etc etc. Now they are being replaced w/ Walmart, HEB, and other big name retails stores.

It has truly hurt this community and made it less of a "community" atmosphere and more of a society of faceless drones. I have been sad to see the faces of the community be replaced by bigger coorporations who benifit off these MW increases.

Your stances are just ensuring that the rich get richer while the poor become more poor and those that WOULD HAVE BEEN a great help to the communities w/ their small businesses disappear.


[edit on 30-7-2008 by justamomma]

Not all minimum wage workers complain or whine and I give them many applauses for that, but there are some who do.

reply to post by Solarskye


I'm sure they are very grateful for your applause. The point is there is a large segment of the population that are required to do menial jobs. I don't think their whining about that. The simple fact is that the hyper inflation that America is entering into will cripple those people whom you applaud and many applauders as well. This is not a simple case of shiftless lazy people that don't want to better themselves, this is a case of America being raped by the bankters. I'm sure you heard the quote , but it is very relevant here,

"If the people allow private banks to control their currency the banks and corporations will deprive the people of all their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." - Thomas Jefferson