Aluminum Zirconium Tetrachlorohydrex And You!

reply to post by daemonicsoul


An interesting thought. It reminds me of the street performer who covered his whole body with silver paint and actually killed himself. I believe those in the know at least leave a patch untouched (e.g. on their back) in order to avoid this indirect asphyxiation, or whatever you want to call it.

reply to post by iamnotacrook


I don't think this is about not trusting the scientific community and scientifical research. But i'm afraid many of us have reasons not to trust the cosmetic industry. If a certain ingredient has not been definitely proven dangerous by scientifical studies, they will still use it. As shocking as it might seem, their main goal is not your health or your beauty, but to make money.

That being said, i stopped using products that contained aluminum compounds not because i get easily scared from what i read on the internet (sometimes i do though ), but because of what my own body told me. When you're growing a lump under your arm and your skin is constantly itchy, and on top of that you hear about how deos containing aluminum might be related to breast cancer, your last concern is the scientifical community. Laying off that evil aluminum stuff was a good choice and i'm sticking to it.

Oh and welcome to ats!

[edit on 23-7-2008 by Wallachian]

reply to post by kyle-2302


So now you need to spread the word!

I missed whoever originally made the point having just got online - but i said nothing about teflon "killing my birds"- for the record i've never personally had any problems with any teflon products and i wouldn't say from the datasheets provided that any major risk is posed (i've never found a home oven that reaches 400 degrees, let alone a gas ring!).

To those posters asking about alu free alternative products, please read a little - the thread's full of them.

To iamnotacrook, hi - and good points there, i'd always tend to look toward university sites first for chemical information. As to the use of aluminium in medicine as justification - remember that we're talking about a gradual process here, not like heavy metal poisoning - so the benefits of its use would far outweight the risk of mental illness development. The scientific nature of sources concerning any 'revelation' are obviously of top priority, but on a forum where distrust tends to be hurled at authority like stale cake at poor quality childrens entertainers its difficult to reach a balance between 'reputable' and 'possible conspiracist'...

It is also correct, of course, that there are far more potentially harmful chemicals in widespread use in industries that should be avoiding them completely. But if its cheaper than alternatives, and it gets the job done, and its not PROVEN to be linked to serious illness - it stays.

Consumers have been told to be embarrassed by "perspiration stains", thus born the industry of antiperspirants, which are not the same as "deodorants".

As several posters said, yes, salt crystal deodorants get rid of odor, highly effective. Please, look for it and ask your stores to stock it if they don't currently carry it. Have been using it for several years, and I would use nothing else now. True, one stick lasts a year.

OK, let you in on a personal little "un-dirty" secret. I go boondocking for weeks at a time. Water use highly restricted. No baths/showers. Go without one for up to three weeks now...salt crystal deodorant everyday, and a washcloth wipedown as needed. I can stand myself now, whereas before I never could (also hated the smell of regular deodorants when boondocking). We've made lots of friends, who love to shower, so I mustn't smell that bad

reply to post by Toadmund


That is astounding! I stopped using anti-perspirants a couple of years ago... I have not noticed the lack of skin tags until right now. I used ot get them all the time... and now I am skin tag free. How strange! thanks for pointing that out!

reply to post by iamnotacrook


Well done!

Now there is a respectful and knowledgeable reply!

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Originally posted by daemonicsoul
If you were to apply anti perspirants to your entire body you would effectivly die. no ifs and or buts. Yet the fda rules this safe? Just like the tomatos were contaimnated...oh wait its jalopeno peppers now. I suggest everyone call in to the fda and other companys producing this and let them know your opinion.

Why not it shave your head and apply it directly on to the scalp!

This way it would reach your brain quicker!

Originally posted by pstrron
reply to post by CyborgPirateNinjaJesus

 

Tetrasodium EDTA

There you go, that is a good reason to get rid of it. EDTA is not good for you in any way shape or form. Another reason, the ladies gave your choice in anti-funk a solid

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In regards to the AL in common use today, I have known about this for many years. Another product to avoid is teflon. I used to have parrots and teflon coated cookware can emit a toxic gas that would kill my birds. Now if it would kill my birds, I am sure it is not good for us.

Use either cast iron or stainless steel and that includes the utensils used in cooking / food preparation. Better to be safe than sorry. Look at it this way, a good set of SS cookware will last a life time along with high quality high carbon steel knives. They are easier to sharpen and hold an edge quite well. That way you are not adding to the AL in the families diet.

I'm sorry, it didnt kill his birds, and it was a different poster!

My mistake!

Originally posted by iamnotacrook
I'm just trying to present the scientific perspective on this subject. While there is no question in my mind that the government has lied to us about many, many things, science still has a place in arguments, and cannot be completely ignored.

Greetings, iam.

I can understand your point of view, but do want to suggest that no source is fully reliable. Because we had "scientists" assuring us that fluoride was A-OK, we question. Because "scientists" do studies paid for by corporations to find what the corporations want them to find, we question. Because sometimes, "scientists" are paid to out and out lie, we question.

And given that the Aluminum industry is comprised of big corporations, their word on the safety of Al, and any given molecular structure with AL in it, we must question greatly.

I'm not saying that any of your sources have necessarily been tainted, but when you can find a number of alarming studies by people with no agenda, you must raise a brow at studies that pat us on the back and assure us there is nothing to fear.

And I also want to point out that it is likely that naturally occurring Al probably is not an issue with the human body. But it pretty much does not occur naturally in metal form. And it is the metal form, and other molecular structures that are man-made that pose the threat to our health.

So finding a study that shows that we ingest a large amount of Al (naturally occurring), does not in any way show that ingesting (orally, though skin absorption, injected, what have you) Al metal and other man-made Al compounds is not a threat.

Anyway, thanks for joining us. [smile]

[edit on 7/23/2008 by Amaterasu]

Great post, IMA! But not good news for me. I've heard about this before but never really thought to do anything about it until I read what had been posted about how aluminum affects the brain. I'll make the switch to deodorants, though I'd love it if someone in the southern U.S. could recommend a brand of salt deodorant, since they seem to be pretty safe.

I also drink a lot of soda from cans. Looks like that's out too. Meh, need to be drinking more bottled water anyway. Time to quit dreading those caffeine withdrawl headaches and just push through it!

reply to post by IMAdamnALIEN


The bird guy's getting his cookware VERY hot then...

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You want to watch that bottled water too - i seem to remember claims that PET can start leeching antimony (toxic) as it ages!

[edit on 23-7-2008 by ScriptKiddie]

reply to post by ScriptKiddie


Wait what?

Whats this PET and whats it doing in my poland spring!

It better not be poland spring!

Damn, not even bottled water!

Will the NWO happen already, Im sick of slowly dieing.....

Great post,

I first learned of this 11 years ago. It's terrible, I suggest everyone use plastic, if your filthy rich then gold. I use a flowerplum tree to produce my own deodorant, lasts more than 24hrs.

Some anti-antiperspirants have been shown to cause breast cancer in women. I'm not sure if those products are still available, or what the chemical was, but it was being absorbed by the body, and it was migrating to the tissue in the breast and accumulating.

We use too many chemicals in everything we do.

[edit on 23-7-2008 by mirageofdeceit]

I know someone who went to a seminar on some health thing and they passed on a few good tips about deodorants....

basically a spray or anythin containing aluminium blocks up your pours, so maybe if its not the aluminium doing the damage, its ur own toxins that cant escape your body. since this i use a scrub and washcloth to wash my under arms and a natural clear roll on deodorant. my skin feels better and i dont sweat or smell half as much. aluminium cant be good for u whatever the reason.

reply to post by Boniouk06


You raise a point that has been brought up a few pages back....

Not only is the aluminum damaging your body, the toxins that are already in your body cannot escape do to the pours being clogged.

Lose lose situation......




[edit on 24-7-2008 by IMAdamnALIEN]

reply to post by IMAdamnALIEN


P.E.T. is the most commonly used plastic in drinks bottles. I know the link is to Wikipedia, but still look at the Antimony and Degradation sections if you're curious.

I bulid aircraft, I grind, cut drill and do all sorts of bad things with aluminum, Steel titanium and sevral difrent composite materials. Am I going to be 40 yearold retard or a brain muching freak

Originally posted by patrickrpg
I bulid aircraft, I grind, cut drill and do all sorts of bad things with aluminum, Steel titanium and sevral difrent composite materials. Am I going to be 40 yearold retard or a brain muching freak

Unknown. But I will say that you have a higher probability of exhibiting issues than someone who uses no deodorant, no aluminum cookware or utensils, and otherwise avoids man-made aluminum metal and compounds.